MJ Ray mjr@phonecoop.coop wrote:
Brett Parker iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk
Well, if phpwiki actually had a decent revision history, it'd make it much much easier.
That's nice, dear ;-) Do you think usemod and its revision history (as seen at HantsLUG) is decent? That's the current offer.
Would be fine, anything that actually kept a revision history would make it easier. I see that is a "current offer", no consideration of pointers, and no scope for change later... who died and made you "God"? Do we *really* only have you to rely on to keep the site up and running and up to date, and only you with the power to 'innovate'?
[...] patch via e-mail to you personally, not a set of web masters... But hey, how could that *ever* be a problem, you've never had broken e-mail, right? and you've certainly never lost a legitimate mail before, have you?
Have I lost email from you? The only ALUGger I know I've *lost* much email from ran several of the mailservers involved, while I don't run the servers for the addresses receiving. I think the problem probably wasn't with poptel (or pipex before)...
Yes, but I can't remember when off the top of my head, or what the mail was, but I *do* know that you have lost mail from me in the past.
...This has given me another idea for an editme feature, though. (I did accidentally spam-trap a few ALUGgers last month, but I've rescued the emails and apologised.)
Or at least the ones that you've spotted...
Please, if you edit the site, it breaks and I don't answer, post to the list. There are always the superhero rescuers -:)
Erm, but we *can't* edit the site so that it breaks, we haven't that power, or even anything approaching a good delegation scheme, all patches get sent to you, therefore you have decided to take the responsibility entirely.
And, of course, it's a very high threshold for new contributors, it's a PITA for maintainance, and it could work a lot better...
Is it still very high with editme? The template hiding will be done. What could be done to lower it more?
What can I say... I don't like editing HTML in a text box on a web page, and I trust WYSIWYGish editors about as far as I can throw them. And what, exactly, does editme solve? other than "it's another way that a patch can be sent to a *single* admin, that may or may not respond to it, include it, or do something useful with it".
How do you know it's a PITA for maintenance? You're not maintaining.
I've dealt with manual patches several times, dear. No, as stated previously, I have no ability to maintain it, even if I had access to maintaining the site, I still wouldn't get other peoples patches BECAUSE THEY GO TO YOUR PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS, which you have stated, several times.
Can you not see a problem with that? Are you really that narrow minded?
How do you know it could work a lot better? You don't seem to know how it works and it seems to nearly do your three *s from yesterday.
Maybe there should be another list? or at least an alias? admins@alug.org.uk or web@alug.org.uk or similar, and it should be noted somewhere reasonably prominant on the site.
Sure, it could be left to sit on a mailman moderator queue instead of my inbox, if you want. I don't mind. Anyone else?
Note that the word alias was also used, but I see you didn't comment on that, interesting. So, rather than sitting in your inbox, how about actually sitting in more than one persons inbox? How about actually letting people have some responsibility?
Adam Bower adam@thebowery.co.uk
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:31:29AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
That's not funny. I've been asking this list periodically for help looking after the wiki, since before it appeared in December 2001.
You never took up my offer of help, *shrug*,
I'm not sure which offer you mean, but maybe I took up one which looked more promising at the time. You could still help out. No invitation is needed to edit the wiki.
and it looks like you are wanting to troll+flame me again. How helpful.
That's what I thought about your "suggestion".
I note that you like to flame my opinions and suggestions but not other peoples.
I think Brett should be slightly toasty warm too, but I don't think others are posting messages as annoying as yours.
Nope - I do not feel toasty warm, I'm somewhat disappointed by your attitude, though, and I really don't understand why you are being overly protective of a system that appears, at least on face value, to only have one "administrator"... lets play the bus game, shall we?
Can you substantiate those quotes, please? I'm not sure who said those to you. There are pages which need retagging as unmaintained and I know you've had unusual difficulty exchanging email with me in the past. With the editme CGI, it's the alug server sending me email to a private mailbox, so it shouldn't happen and I've also another idea that will make it even safer soon.
'make it even safer'? and again... it's going to *your* private e-mail...
Is a day or two to update a listing really so terrible? For stuff that is more dynamic, there's the wiki for developing it.
That's a day or two if you've got access to the interweb, and a spare moment...
Anyways - this is rapidly getting out of hand, an over defensive MJ Ray, a website that could at the minimum use a face lift. I note that the site says... "When you click Save, the change will be emailed to a webmaster for approval and upload."
Which suggests that it may go to more than one webmaster, when you've already told us that it goes to your private e-mail. Nice.
Are you honestly saying that the current situation is correct? and that you wouldn't like to see something slightly more tuned to actually being administered by more than one person?
*Sigh*,