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Chris Green chris@areti.co.uk wrote:
On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 03:40:01PM +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Chris Green wrote:
No, I'm against the computer pretending that it's something it isn't.
A computer is a tool, a very general purpose tool, a very flexible tool and a very programmeable tool. It's appearance can be anything its various users want it to be. And if some want it to be a GUI with a desktop then it can be.
Yes, but all the other possible approaches seem to be disappearing and, as a result, many, many users are not well served. If the only accessible idiom is a desktop then the user is the poorer.
I see no evidance of that. The console is still available even under windows and if anything, the number of GUI interfaces under Linux is increasing.
... but where we came in was my complaint that 'Desktop' appears on my Linux system whether I like it or not.
*YAWN* - no it's not. You *choose* which apps you run, if you don't want "Desktop" then simply don't use anything KDE or GNOME related... infact, just stop using graphical applications - it's the way forwards! If it wasn't for the fact that the web is generally broken, I'd browse it mostly with w3m - I *like* information, I like the keyboard - using the mouse is a last resort, unless messing with graphics - then it's fairly much a neccessity.
If you're running windows, then *yes* you have no choice, you have a Desktop - if you're running linux, it's easily got round. Infact, it's almost trivial except for webbrowsing... but then, if you really don't want a "desktop" option, use something like Dillo and lose half the web because it doesn't support half the current standards (though, find me a bloody web browser that does, go on, I dare you. They all suck, especially when you're trying to use pure XHTML and CSS, and marking things up properly).
If you *really* hate the Desktop link, then stop running X, do everything for the command line, enjoy life.
I have no problem with other people wanting overlapping windows (which I have grown to hate), if someone tries to enforce that on me, however, then I'll get upset - as it stands I'm already upset with OOo because it tries to enforce some stupid policys, and wants the stylist to be a seperate window - that's damned annoying - reminds me though, I need to add a plugin to ion3 so that OOo is less annoying in it.
There's always choice, and if it really upsets you that much, you have the source (I'm assuming) to the apps that you're complaining about.
Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk