On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 01:10:43PM +0100, Matt Parker wrote:
On Thursday 23 Sep 2004 12:48, Brett Parker wrote:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:30:57PM +0100, Matt Parker wrote:
On Thursday 23 Sep 2004 12:12, Andrew Savory wrote:
Hi,
On 23 Sep 2004, at 11:22, Matt Parker wrote:
Subversion is NOT ready for enterprise level networks. I don't care what has happened to your data. I'd like to see you try and go into a large enterprise and convince the IT PHB that Subversion is ready to manage all their source code. Hint : It ain't going to happen, and he/she is likely to call you a muppet for suggesting it ;-)
And the pointless mindless FUD award of the month goes to ...
You see, this is the reason why Linux itself is only being slowly accepted into the mainstream. Mindless zealotry and sarcastic attitudes. You've got to realise that the people in control are VERY conservative when it comes to their IT infrastructure - mostly due to the fact that they don't understand it. This is the way of the world unfortunately and trying to change it too quickly is not the way to go about things.
Yes there will be a time for Subversion, but not yet. The last contract I worked on was for a very large international software company (who you will have heard of) who are only just discussing moving from Visual SourceSafe to CVS. Subversion was mentioned but was quickly dismissed because it "hadn't been around long enough" and wasn't "tried and tested".
They might as well stick with sourcesafe then, at least that mightn't fuck up the archive. As for linux only now becoming mainstream, what planet are you on? There's a whole *FUCKLOAD* of linux servers out there, far out numbering Microsoft or proprietary servers. And with the likes of IBM, HP, Novell, SGI and even Sun getting in on the act, I'd say that linux is damned mainstream, my dear boy.
Oh come on, that's not what I'm talking about and you know it. I'm talking development environments not web-servers, desktops, mail servers or anything else. I'm not even talking about Linux servers necessarily (you do know that CVS and Subversion run on Windows machines as well as all the other *nix machines don't you?). You should also know that I've worked in precisely one company that had Linux on the desktop anywhere - apart from my own company - and that was only in R&D.
I'm currently working at a company that runs linux on the desktop... or at least on *MY* desktop. Yes, I do know that it can be bent to run on windows, but why do that when you can run it on a real server and use remote repositories if you're stuck on using windows as a development platform?
Until you've worked in the real world in development, I'll take what you're saying with a very large pinch of salt - and no, contributing to open-source software doesn't count - I'm talking about holding down a development role in a software company or contracting out to one.
Sorry, which real world is this? And, JOOI, in what possible way does open-source software not count? As open-source often has the *biggest* archive of all, and more developers than you could shake a very large stick at, show can you say that it doesn't count? I believe that you, sir, are in a fantasy land. Currently I am a web developer, and altough to you that may not seem to be "software" but given the dynamic nature of the interweb, and the varying degrees to which customers have expectations, and the fact that most of our development sites cost more than your average piece of software, and are tailored to the customers needs, I'd say that I'm fairly much *in* the real world, and getting rather bored of developers who appear not to know what's happening in the real world, and argue with anyone they possibly can that things are not ready for the mainstream when there's already a vast following of it.
Do we assume, then, that you are a "leet" coder, and that what you say is the gospel truth? Or shall we assume that you've just had bad experiences with PHBs? Better yet, should we assume that you have bad communication skills?
I shall now leave this thread, as I'm bored of so called "developers".
Thanks,