Brett Parker iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk
Well, if phpwiki actually had a decent revision history, it'd make it much much easier.
That's nice, dear ;-) Do you think usemod and its revision history (as seen at HantsLUG) is decent? That's the current offer.
[...] patch via e-mail to you personally, not a set of web masters... But hey, how could that *ever* be a problem, you've never had broken e-mail, right? and you've certainly never lost a legitimate mail before, have you?
Have I lost email from you? The only ALUGger I know I've *lost* much email from ran several of the mailservers involved, while I don't run the servers for the addresses receiving. I think the problem probably wasn't with poptel (or pipex before)...
...This has given me another idea for an editme feature, though. (I did accidentally spam-trap a few ALUGgers last month, but I've rescued the emails and apologised.)
Please, if you edit the site, it breaks and I don't answer, post to the list. There are always the superhero rescuers -:)
And, of course, it's a very high threshold for new contributors, it's a PITA for maintainance, and it could work a lot better...
Is it still very high with editme? The template hiding will be done. What could be done to lower it more?
How do you know it's a PITA for maintenance? You're not maintaining.
How do you know it could work a lot better? You don't seem to know how it works and it seems to nearly do your three *s from yesterday.
Maybe there should be another list? or at least an alias? admins@alug.org.uk or web@alug.org.uk or similar, and it should be noted somewhere reasonably prominant on the site.
Sure, it could be left to sit on a mailman moderator queue instead of my inbox, if you want. I don't mind. Anyone else?
Adam Bower adam@thebowery.co.uk
On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 09:31:29AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
That's not funny. I've been asking this list periodically for help looking after the wiki, since before it appeared in December 2001.
You never took up my offer of help, *shrug*,
I'm not sure which offer you mean, but maybe I took up one which looked more promising at the time. You could still help out. No invitation is needed to edit the wiki.
and it looks like you are wanting to troll+flame me again. How helpful.
That's what I thought about your "suggestion".
I note that you like to flame my opinions and suggestions but not other peoples.
I think Brett should be slightly toasty warm too, but I don't think others are posting messages as annoying as yours.
I think you need to stop taking this so personally and grow up and stop acting like a child and try to be a bit more constructive. I'm sure that whatever my opinion is you will decide to flame it just because you don't like me.
It's not personal beyond my past bad experiences on teams with you. It's far more from frustration that you keep posting claims to know how I feel or think or what I'm aiming for or whatever, about stuff I've never told you. It's childish that you keep trying to make this entirely personal. I don't like some of your past work, but we could still collaborate.
Why is it the professional sysadmins who are complaining loudest about the site? [...] Please use something other than the core ALUG info pages as your plaything.
Sorry? I just want to be able to edit the site, many of my edits that have been sent to the person at the top have never been replied to or dealt with, when queried the maintainer had "email problems" or "was too busy".
Can you substantiate those quotes, please? I'm not sure who said those to you. There are pages which need retagging as unmaintained and I know you've had unusual difficulty exchanging email with me in the past. With the editme CGI, it's the alug server sending me email to a private mailbox, so it shouldn't happen and I've also another idea that will make it even safer soon.
[...] I have in the past helped others with the way the site was built etc. but I'd like to see a new easier system that doesn't take days or longer (sometimes never) to see updates to the site.
Is a day or two to update a listing really so terrible? For stuff that is more dynamic, there's the wiki for developing it.
I'm trying to make a suggestion and give an opinion so we can work around those problems and get *more* people involved.
Yes, lots of opinion, many "it would be good if ..." suggestions and very few posts seeking the background information to inform those opinions, or committing to action. It's like only talking, without listening or doing. I do find that problematic and I want to encourage others to help rather than pontificate.
[...] as at the moment it seems that you are more worried that you will lose "control" of the core pages to others who you don't think worthy or capable of editing them.
Hardly. I have never published ftp, ssh or cvs committer (when it was running) details, but that's because there are levels of trust and things do get abused. Access is shared (I think there's never been only one uploader since I took the site over), but I am trying to be the public face again now.
Earlier today, you wrote in support of needing *all* contributors to have usernames and passwords, which seems considerably less open than the current site. What do you expect me to think? It does look like you should be content with the current access controls, but you're not, so maybe it's personal?
Now can you please stop ranting and try to stop causing nastiness on the Alug mailing list and think of ways we can move forwards instead of trying to carry out a personal vendetta?
Things are moving forwards and the personal vendetta seems mostly from your side: you seem unable to keep daft comments on my messages to yourself. I don't mind questions (and there are no stupid questions) but I do get irritated about misdirection of casual observers with suggestions of things which are either already done, or unrealistic with current resources.
Hope that helps,