Hi everyone, Two questions that I know you can all answere for me!
I have just installed Suse 9.2 pro, and for a change I decided to install and run Gnome, but I don't like it too much and want to go back to KDE. I have installed KDE from the suse DVD but how do I now change desktops? Maybe I should download the latest version of KDE first and install and run that? Anyway, that's the first question. The second is, if I download the latest Kernal, how do I install and run that?
Oh, just one other, how do I re-boot the GUI without having to re-boot the computer?
Many thanks. I await the flood of replies (Pleaseeeeeeee!!)
Peter
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Peter Hunter peterslinuxbox@ntlworld.com wrote:
Hi everyone, Two questions that I know you can all answere for me!
I have just installed Suse 9.2 pro, and for a change I decided to install and run Gnome, but I don't like it too much and want to go back to KDE. I have installed KDE from the suse DVD but how do I now change desktops?
Right - we'll start here... which display manager are you currently using? gdm? kdm? xdm? if it's kdm or gdm, you should be able to tell it what type of session you want, with gdm it'll also ask you if that's what you want to make your default session, and all will then be well in the world (I don't know much about kdm, but I use gdm on this 'ere machine of mine and have selected different sessions depending on mood previously, never KDE though, that annoyed me too much ;)
Maybe I should download the latest version of KDE first and install and run that?
You shouldn't need to.
Anyway, that's the first question. The second is, if I download the latest Kernal, how do I install and run that?
ITYM Kernel... and, erm, I'm not sure in SuSE what the correct procedure is, in debian I can make shiny packages for kernels very easily, I think in SuSE it's more a configure -> compile -> install chain, and you'll probably find the kernel howto[1] of use.
Oh, just one other, how do I re-boot the GUI without having to re-boot the computer?
Just Logout of the current session, if it's Gnome that you're trying to logout of it'll be under Computer -> Log Out, or Desktop -> Log Out (depending on the version of Gnome).
Many thanks. I await the flood of replies (Pleaseeeeeeee!!)
Drip... drip... drip...
[1] http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html
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On Wednesday 29 June 2005 11:15, Peter Hunter wrote:
Hi everyone, Two questions that I know you can all answere for me!
I have just installed Suse 9.2 pro, and for a change I decided to install and run Gnome, but I don't like it too much and want to go back to KDE. I have installed KDE from the suse DVD but how do I now change desktops? Maybe I should download the latest version of KDE first and install and run that? Anyway, that's the first question.
In SuSE 9.2 you'll find that after you've booted into gnome, it will stick on gnome and not offer you a choice. This is normal gnome brain damage, it's a matter of deleting a file to fix it - not the usual file though.
I have drawn a mental blank on the flipping filename. Having just nuked gnome myself, I can't even quickly pop into gnome and recreate it - it's not .xsessions, but it's something similar - hopefully someone reading this will remember, as it's a real no-brainer. If not, I'll pop gnome back on for a second later.
The second is, if I download the latest Kernal, how do I install and run that?
YaST/apt4rpm should see you right under most normal circumstances.
Oh, just one other, how do I re-boot the GUI without having to re-boot the computer?
Normally, log out of the session and back in. In the event of a crash or something, you can restart X using Control-Alt-Backspace.
Many thanks. I await the flood of replies (Pleaseeeeeeee!!)
Peter
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On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 00:15 +0100, Ten wrote:
In SuSE 9.2 you'll find that after you've booted into gnome, it will stick on gnome and not offer you a choice. This is normal gnome brain damage, it's a matter of deleting a file to fix it - not the usual file though.
The same thing happened to me with Ubuntu and Enlightenment. I remembered playing with it years ago when I was first messing with Linux. After reading a Linux Format article on it I thought I'd install it and have a quick play.
It's not easy to get rid of, the best bit was that after installation it dumped me at a rather ugly looking desktop with no obvious way of launching anything other than configuration windows to configure the desktop. I am sure I was missing some vital step in the configuration (like the step that actually makes it do anything) but overall it was not a fun experience.
Back on topic, what is the SuSE Gnome installation like ? is it a half hearted affair or as polished as KDE on SuSE.
same thing happened to me with Ubuntu and Enlightenment. I remembered playing with it years ago when I was first messing with Linux. After reading a Linux Format article on it I thought I'd install it and have a quick play.
Ah, enlightenment itself - recently that's started to work a little better, although it still has its issues. Looking very pretty though.
It's not easy to get rid of, the best bit was that after installation it dumped me at a rather ugly looking desktop with no obvious way of launching anything other than configuration windows to configure the desktop.
Configuration and stuff can lead to "interesting times" even now with Enlightenment.
I am sure I was missing some vital step in the configuration (like the step that actually makes it do anything) but overall it was not a fun experience.
Back on topic, what is the SuSE Gnome installation like ? is it a half hearted affair or as polished as KDE on SuSE.
Well, it seems as polished as KDE. It's a whole world away from Gnome on previous SuSEs, from what I've seen of them.
Personally, I don't enjoy Gnome at all (HCI/Uid car-crash), so there may be glaringly brainless problems with the config that I wouldn't have spotted, but I did work in it for a day, and used yast for some stuff and found it no more cripplingly restrictive than any other Gnome desktop. Integration seems to have improved, but then it would, since Novell are pretty Gnomic of late :)
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:53 +0100, Ten wrote:
Well, it seems as polished as KDE. It's a whole world away from Gnome on previous SuSEs, from what I've seen of them.
Personally, I don't enjoy Gnome at all (HCI/Uid car-crash), so there may be glaringly brainless problems with the config that I wouldn't have spotted, but I did work in it for a day, and used yast for some stuff and found it no more cripplingly restrictive than any other Gnome desktop. Integration seems to have improved, but then it would, since Novell are pretty Gnomic of late :)
Speaking as a long term SuSE/KDE user (I think I have used it exclusively on the desktop since about 2000) I recently decided that being SuSE exclusive was giving me a rather blinkered view of Linux and am currently experimenting with Ubuntu on my home system.
Having not touched Gnome since 2000, I initially felt like I had taken a bit of a step backwards from the bells and whistles KDE on SuSE.
But gradually I find myself warming to Gnome (or maybe it's Ubuntu) Something is better, I am just not sure what.
I think Gnome tries to be more like Mac OS and KDE sort of emulates Windows. Those statements don't hold 100% but certainly Gnome reminds me of a Mac more than KDE ever did.
Before, running Gnome on SuSE was a bad move because it gave you half a system, lots of stuff was broken and the whole implementation was a little half hearted. I am glad they have taken care of that (as you say not surprising given Novell's interest in Gnome).
On Thursday 30 June 2005 18:41, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 15:53 +0100, Ten wrote:
Well, it seems as polished as KDE. It's a whole world away from Gnome on previous SuSEs, from what I've seen of them.
Personally, I don't enjoy Gnome at all (HCI/Uid car-crash), so there may be glaringly brainless problems with the config that I wouldn't have spotted, but I did work in it for a day, and used yast for some stuff and found it no more cripplingly restrictive than any other Gnome desktop. Integration seems to have improved, but then it would, since Novell are pretty Gnomic of late :)
Speaking as a long term SuSE/KDE user (I think I have used it exclusively on the desktop since about 2000) I recently decided that being SuSE exclusive was giving me a rather blinkered view of Linux and am currently experimenting with Ubuntu on my home system.
Having not touched Gnome since 2000, I initially felt like I had taken a bit of a step backwards from the bells and whistles KDE on SuSE.
But gradually I find myself warming to Gnome (or maybe it's Ubuntu) Something is better, I am just not sure what.
I think Gnome tries to be more like Mac OS and KDE sort of emulates Windows. Those statements don't hold 100% but certainly Gnome reminds me of a Mac more than KDE ever did.
Before, running Gnome on SuSE was a bad move because it gave you half a system, lots of stuff was broken and the whole implementation was a little half hearted. I am glad they have taken care of that (as you say not surprising given Novell's interest in Gnome).
Hi Wayne, Yes, I did intend sending that message to the list. Never mind now, you more or less told me all I wanted to know.
I've certainly been busy, and ended up making a right mess (well, not got things right anyway). Firstly, I tried installing 9.3 as a new install. Everything seemed to go ok with disc 1, except it wouldn't re-boot. I tried several times but in the end I re-installed 9.2 and then did an upgrade to 9.3. This went ok except it wouldn't recognise disc 2 (corrupted file during download no doubt. I'll re-download that one later from another mirror). Now though I have 9.3 running fine (except the fact that I forgot to change the settings when loading 9.2 for the Gnome desktop, so 9.3 loaded KDE as well. It seems I'm stuck with KDE now. Mind you, I do like KDE, but I was getting used to Gnome). Now though, I can't seem to get either of my printers working - even though they are recognised and configured ok. And the sound doesn't work either. Oh well, all jobs for another day!! I'm really loving Linux though.
Cheers for now,
Peter
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