On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:56:45 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote:
Hiya, I'm going to be webmonking for ALUG soon, so as a first step could I have nominations for people who do stuff for ALUG.
Is that webmonk as in perl monk or web monkeying with a missing ey?
Anyway, good luck! :o)
Currently I have Mark and I as web editors, Freeman as bookmonkey and Adam as FAQ maintainer. If the venue organisers would like their names to go on the jobs list as well as on the individual venue pages, drop me a mail.
I am the book monkey, also professional sceptic and also put me down for wireless monkey.
Also I would like to compile a list of definitive web references for various things. I have a few programming language ones (Java, C, PHP, ASP) and a few web ones (HTML, CSS, neither perfect). Does this sound a good idea? It probably isn't a good idea to start linking to compile instructions, since we'd end up having a link to every cool project on the web.
C == The new testiment/Bible/'C Programming Language' by Kernighan and Richie Java == Java in a nutshell, Thinking in Java, Core Java HTML == http://werbach.com/barebones/ PHP == /dev/null Ask me specifics and I can help.
Speaking of which, one of my .sig quotes is a list of a few cool things I've found. Would this make a good page (with a broken links disclaimer at the top, and lots of contributions)? Focus on utilities that open up new areas (IE expect, cron/at) rather than apps which merely do their job well (IE mozilla, IMHO).
Go ahead, could be interesting
Heck, maybe an article discussing the perceived merits of each distro? If we could get an advocate from each distro, an article would come together quickly. Note I wish to focus purely on why one ought to use distro X, rather than not use distro Y.
<fx action="light blue touch paper and retire to safe distance"> Why not add which editor, browser, window manager, shell, mail client etc... :o)
Thanks
D
Alexis
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David Freeman wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:56:45 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote:
Hiya, I'm going to be webmonking for ALUG soon, so as a first step could I have nominations for people who do stuff for ALUG.
Is that webmonk as in perl monk or web monkeying with a missing ey? Anyway, good luck! :o)
Wobwibweb wiggling theurgic marsupial, to be precise.
I am the book monkey, also professional sceptic and also put me down for wireless monkey.
David Freeman: Banana pit.
Also I would like to compile a list of definitive web references for
C == The new testiment/Bible/'C Programming Language' by Kernighan and Richie Java == Java in a nutshell, Thinking in Java, Core Java HTML == http://werbach.com/barebones/ PHP == /dev/null Ask me specifics and I can help.
I'm really after _web_ references here. Once I get commit access sorted out, Jen's books page will be up pretty fast. To the middle of this shall I add links to websites with browsable manuals for quick help mid-project. The Java API dox and Chili!Soft's ASP manual are prime examples of exactly what I think should go in.
I would be very happy to add that barebones thing, except it still hasn't loaded :-p
Heck, maybe an article discussing the perceived merits of each distro? If we could get an advocate from each distro, an article would come together quickly. Note I wish to focus purely on why one ought to use distro X, rather than not use distro Y.
<fx action="light blue touch paper and retire to safe distance"> Why not add which editor, browser, window manager, shell, mail client etc... :o)
The last sentence is key. IMO, wars happen when people have to defend their favoured. Provided the tone is kept positive, the worst that should happen is a disagreement over which is _the_ easiest to install. This is what I envisage:
Debian: Great stability, upgradeability and security. Mandrake: Worked out of the box, with everything I've wanted so far. SuSe: (well, I dunno... <duck />) TONS of packages
Similarly:
Emacs: Everything included and further extensible thru ELISP Vim: Everything a text editor should have, plus many extensibility options Pico: Nice and simple, good starter
I appreciate this may not be very satisfying, but it provides some guidance without granting a license to war on the web.
Perhaps what I'm after is a 'mission statement' for each thing, and could be got from the official sites, but it would be nicer to have something from ALUG itself.
Alexis
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Alexis Lee wrote:
HTML == http://werbach.com/barebones/
I would be very happy to add that barebones thing, except it still hasn't loaded :-p
Bah, try an html jalfrezi, http://www.jalfrezi.com/
Similarly:
Emacs: Everything included and further extensible thru ELISP Vim: Everything a text editor should have, plus many extensibility options Pico: Nice and simple, good starter
I would mention ae instead/also along with pico. Pico does have a restrictive license so is not shipped with Debian as standard (I think) ae is (not restricted and included in Debian as standard) though and is an alright editor for beginners.
Adam
Adam Bower wrote:
Bah, try an html jalfrezi, http://www.jalfrezi.com/
Superb. It's in.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Alexis Lee wrote:
Emacs: Everything included and further extensible thru ELISP Vim: Everything a text editor should have, plus many extensibility options Pico: Nice and simple, good starter
I would mention ae instead/also along with pico. Pico does have a restrictive license so is not shipped with Debian as standard (I think) ae is (not restricted and included in Debian as standard) though and is an alright editor for beginners.
This is actually throwaway copy I had no intention of putting on the site as is. I'm inclined to put on as many different programs as is feasible, not just 3. Fx. for window managers, blackbox is perfectly usable and far superior to Enlightenment for speed... whereas E beats h* out of it for eye candy if you have the spare CPU.
Must say I've never heard of ae. Is it _really_ simple? I mentioned Pico because literally any idiot can use it (well, if they figure out ^X means CTRL-X).
Alexis
On 22 Aug 2001 14:47:38 -0400, Alexis Lee wrote:
This is actually throwaway copy I had no intention of putting on the site as is. I'm inclined to put on as many different programs as is feasible, not just 3. Fx. for window managers, blackbox is perfectly usable and far superior to Enlightenment for speed... whereas E beats h* out of it for eye candy if you have the spare CPU.
Thats not entirely true. Ive never found Enlightenment to be slow, on a decent computer (pii 233+). So far e17, is extremely fast, and has a small footprint too. Blackbox is far from ugly, with a good theme (see artwiz's work).
Im an advocate of both :)
Andrew.
Andrew Glover wrote:
Thats not entirely true. Ive never found Enlightenment to be slow, on a decent computer (pii 233+). So far e17, is extremely fast, and has a small footprint too. Blackbox is far from ugly, with a good theme (see artwiz's work).
Im an advocate of both :)
As am I, I would merely suggest blackbox over E on non-decent computers. And E has those extra features that make things a bit comfier than blackbox. The one thing that E lacks is a variety of themes... I currently use KDE at home (because I was curious, and now am lazy), and it lets me have my default window background bubblegum pink. It makes a change from yet-another dark- metal theme. My ideal E would have lots of bright pastels, and lots of New Rock-like bits of redundant metal. Kind of like the Tank Girl film. <disappear style="without trace" />
I was on the e-devel list for awhile, but got teed off at the constant arguing and bad attitudes. E17 will be wonderful if it ever happens.
Off the list, Andrew, we need to sort out which or both of us are sorting UEA meetings. I'm happy to help, but more work is more work...
Alexis
On 22 Aug 2001 17:21:57 -0400, Alexis Lee wrote:
Hi Alexis,
This is pretty much my view too. I cant be responsible for them all, but would gladly share it with someone else. So probably alternating each one is best?
And I dont mind who does October first. Are you a student there? Which year? Im year 2 sys student. After a quick look, im guessing this might be you? http://www.uea.ac.uk/menu/staff_and_students/enrol/ueanetwork/SYS/9953647.ht...
Thanks,
Andrew.
Off the list, Andrew, we need to sort out which or both of us are sorting UEA meetings. I'm happy to help, but more work is more work...
On 22-Aug-01 Adam Bower wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Alexis Lee wrote:
HTML == http://werbach.com/barebones/
I would be very happy to add that barebones thing, except it still hasn't loaded :-p
Bah, try an html jalfrezi, http://www.jalfrezi.com/
I mayadd to this answer in a different thread.
Similarly:
Emacs: Everything included and further extensible thru ELISP Vim: Everything a text editor should have, plus many extensibility options Pico: Nice and simple, good starter
I would mention ae instead/also along with pico. Pico does have a restrictive license so is not shipped with Debian as standard (I think) ae is (not restricted and included in Debian as standard) though and is an alright editor for beginners.
Have you heard of nano which I belive is a lower resource pico look and feel editor with a few addons, last time I looked it was very alpha (but had a I belive debian compatable licence) maybe nano should be placed instead of pico on the list.
Also for cirtain nedit should be on the list as it is probably the most popular non terminal based text editor. It supports macros, scripting syntax hylighting crash recovery, ctags, as well as split editing windows a client server architecture and more.
Anyway I shall goe off and download the cvs
Owen
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