Hi I've been dabbling in Windows for a few years now and thought I knew something about what I was doing. Being reluctant to spend my hard earned cash on upgrading from Win 98 SE to another Gates product, I thought I would try Linux. I am now dual booting Win 98 and Kubuntu and working with a dial up internet connection. Now I realise how much I don't know !!! My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't recognise it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in use the one I have should have a linux driver. I've downloaded 'scanmodem' and run it and I get hundreds of lines of text that means nothing to me. Linux looks good to me, and I feel like sticking with it, if only I can get past first base. Can someone talk me thru in one syllable steps please to overcome this first hurdle.# Many thanks Eric
win modems can be a bit of a nightmare (or atleast were when i last had reason to have one a few years back) if i remember correctly first step is to check what chipset your modem is(via the output of scanmodem) and from there check http://linmodems.org/ for the right drivers.
Ricky
On 1/14/07, elc@freeola.net elc@freeola.net wrote:
Hi I've been dabbling in Windows for a few years now and thought I knew something about what I was doing. Being reluctant to spend my hard earned cash on upgrading from Win 98 SE to another Gates product, I thought I would try Linux. I am now dual booting Win 98 and Kubuntu and working with a dial up internet connection. Now I realise how much I don't know !!! My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't recognise it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in use the one I have should have a linux driver. I've downloaded 'scanmodem' and run it and I get hundreds of lines of text that means nothing to me. Linux looks good to me, and I feel like sticking with it, if only I can get past first base. Can someone talk me thru in one syllable steps please to overcome this first hurdle.# Many thanks Eric
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Hi Eric
On Sunday 14 January 2007 19:26, elc@freeola.net wrote:
My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't recognise it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in use the one I have should have a linux driver.
Some good news... Intel have a driver available for Linux at http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strT... The last release is dated 29th Aug. 2005..
The bad news... It will not compile for 2.6.16 or later kernels due to some changes in core kernel code.
Regards, Paul.
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 00:08 +0000, Paul wrote:
The bad news... It will not compile for 2.6.16 or later kernels due to some changes in core kernel code.
I guess that being the case Eric could always revert to Kubuntu 6.06 LTS as that was built around 2.6.15 (assuming he is not already running that version)
Eric, which version of Kubuntu do you have ?
On 14-Jan-07 elc@freeola.net wrote:
Hi I've been dabbling in Windows for a few years now and thought I knew something about what I was doing. Being reluctant to spend my hard earned cash on upgrading from Win 98 SE to another Gates product, I thought I would try Linux. I am now dual booting Win 98 and Kubuntu and working with a dial up internet connection. Now I realise how much I don't know !!! My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't recognise it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in use the one I have should have a linux driver. I've downloaded 'scanmodem' and run it and I get hundreds of lines of text that means nothing to me. Linux looks good to me, and I feel like sticking with it, if only I can get past first base. Can someone talk me thru in one syllable steps please to overcome this first hurdle.# Many thanks Eric
Can I very strongly recommend ditching the winmodem, and getting hold of an external modem (connects by a serial cable to a serial port on the computer)?
Look out for a statement on the box that it is Unix or Linux compatible (or the like), or works on any operating system, and make sure it does *not* state that it requires any version of Windows.
One I have is the Zoom 56K v.92/V.90 Model 3049. On the box it says (under "Bundled Software"): "This modem's hardware works with computers running Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and other operating systems, which typically include software for Internet access".
The included CD (i.e. the "bundled software") is for supporting "V.92 modem-on-hold, fax, and other modem features" for *Windows*.
These functions (and all modem functions) are anyway accessible using the Hayes AT commands built in to the modem hardware, and so such a modem needs no driver!
Hoping this helps, and good luck. Ted.
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From: ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Sent: 15 January 2007 09:17
On 14-Jan-07 elc@freeola.net wrote:
Hi I've been dabbling in Windows for a few years now and thought I knew
something about what I was doing. Being reluctant to spend my hard earned cash on upgrading from Win
98
SE to another Gates product, I thought I would try Linux. I am now dual booting Win 98 and Kubuntu and working with a dial up internet connection. Now I realise how much I don't know !!! My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't
recognise
it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in
use
the one I have should have a linux driver. I've downloaded 'scanmodem' and run it and I get hundreds of lines
of
text that means nothing to me. Linux looks good to me, and I feel like sticking with it, if only I can get past first base. Can someone talk me thru in one syllable steps please to overcome
this
first hurdle.
# Many thanks Eric
Can I very strongly recommend ditching the winmodem, and getting hold of an external modem (connects by a serial cable to a serial port on the computer)?
Look out for a statement on the box that it is Unix or Linux compatible (or the like), or works on any operating system, and make sure it does *not* state that it requires any version of Windows.
One I have is the Zoom 56K v.92/V.90 Model 3049. On the box it says (under "Bundled Software"): "This modem's hardware works with computers running Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and other operating systems, which typically include software for Internet access".
The included CD (i.e. the "bundled software") is for supporting "V.92 modem-on-hold, fax, and other modem features" for *Windows*.
These functions (and all modem functions) are anyway accessible using the Hayes AT commands built in to the modem hardware, and so such a modem needs no driver!
I'd 2nd Ted's comments, get an external box if you can find one. It's not that easy these days finding new ones although 2nd hand ones are available on places like eBay.
Having said that I currently run an Intel 536EP linmodem on my Edgy set-up at home.
The whole scanmodem route suggested by Ubuntu is a waste of time, you have to download the source for the Intel 536 Chipset (and the headers for the precompiled kernel) and compile the driver modules yourself.
Some of the serial i/f code changed with 2.16 (IIRC some legacy stuff was removed) and the source referred to by linmodems.org (and that on the Intel support site) doesn't compile.
I tracked down some updated source that does compile, when I get home (I'm currently at work) I'll post the link here.
One thing I did notice with Dapper is that although the drivers compiled I was only getting about 70% (about 2.5Kbytes/sec) of the throughput I'd gotten with earlier relases of Ubuntu using the Intel536 drivers.
With the revised source (which now caters for the 'improved' i/f functions) I'm back to full speed (in my case about 4.25KBytes/sec - on a good day - going downhill - with the wind behind me :o) ).
There are a couple of gotcha's you need to whatch out for when setting up and using the drivers once compiled. Again I'll post them when I get home.
However sometime this year I am definitely going to sort out a broadband connection.
Regards,
Keith ____________ 'I can see nobody on the road.' said Alice. 'I only wish I had such eyes,' said the King, 'to be able to see Nobody! And at that distance too!' - Lewis Carroll
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:34:41AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote:
I'd 2nd Ted's comments, get an external box if you can find one. It's not that easy these days finding new ones although 2nd hand ones are available on places like eBay.
Hmmn, dunno about that, finding decent hardware modems is pretty easy, just the decent ones seem to cost 50 quid. FWIW after we moved recently I had to dig out our external modem while waiting for the dsl to be enabled, this was a US Robotics something-or-other which I'd had for about 5 years. After playing around with V92 and it not working I realised that US Robotics had released a firmware update for this modem late last year and had made a linux compatible installer for it available. After a quick (well, long slow and painful, it was dialup) download later it just ran as a shell script and I was sorted. So +1 for USR equipment.
Adam
On 15-Jan-07 Adam Bower wrote:
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:34:41AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote:
I'd 2nd Ted's comments, get an external box if you can find one. It's not that easy these days finding new ones although 2nd hand ones are available on places like eBay.
Hmmn, dunno about that, finding decent hardware modems is pretty easy, just the decent ones seem to cost 50 quid. FWIW after we moved recently I had to dig out our external modem while waiting for the dsl to be enabled, this was a US Robotics something-or-other which I'd had for about 5 years. After playing around with V92 and it not working I realised that US Robotics had released a firmware update for this modem late last year and had made a linux compatible installer for it available. After a quick (well, long slow and painful, it was dialup) download later it just ran as a shell script and I was sorted. So +1 for USR equipment.
Yes, I had a USR (US Robotics) modem (Sportster model) for a good while, until its on/off switch failed (and, despite tinkering, I couldn't fix it).
So then I bought the Zoom modem I mentioned in my previous post. See http://www.hayes.co.uk for more info about a range of modems.
I still keep the USR "User's Manual" by me, though, for the Zoom modem, since it has a comprehensive reference listing for the Hayes AT commands. (Useful, in particular, for Fax use). The manual with the Zoom is almost silent about these.
Listings of the AT commands can be found in various places, e.g.
http://www.cellular.co.za/hayesat.htm
but it's nice to have a source with a bit more explanation than given by the above!
Ted.
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(Ted Harding) wrote:
These functions (and all modem functions) are anyway accessible using the Hayes AT commands built in to the modem hardware, and so such a modem needs no driver!
And because all PCs these days have built-in modems, the external ones are available very cheaply - around £10 or less.
Ian
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:00:55PM +0000, Ian bell wrote:
And because all PCs these days have built-in modems, the external ones are available very cheaply - around £10 or less.
I thought nowadays most PCs don't have built in modems, they seem to be going the way of the floppy disk. Out of interest i've not seen an external serial modem for sale for less than 10 quid (cheapest i've seen is one for 11 quid from ebuyer but isn't a "quality" brand), perhaps some usb ones are available at that price but lots of them seem to be winmodems which complicates things even more. Just out of interest where have you seen cheaper?
Thanks Adam
Adam Bower wrote:
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:00:55PM +0000, Ian bell wrote:
And because all PCs these days have built-in modems, the external ones are available very cheaply - around £10 or less.
I thought nowadays most PCs don't have built in modems, they seem to be going the way of the floppy disk.
This is a very rapidly changing area. I bought a laptop for my wife just over a year ago. it had built in modem and a built-in wireles card but no serial port. I suspect this year the modem is/will be dropped.
Out of interest i've not seen an
external serial modem for sale for less than 10 quid (cheapest i've seen is one for 11 quid from ebuyer but isn't a "quality" brand), perhaps some usb ones are available at that price but lots of them seem to be winmodems which complicates things even more. Just out of interest where have you seen cheaper?
Not looked recently. Again, about a year ago my neighbour got one for a tenner. That may have been the bottom price - perhaps thay are rising now because they are rarer/not in demand.
Ian
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 19:39 +0000, Ian bell wrote:
This is a very rapidly changing area. I bought a laptop for my wife just over a year ago. it had built in modem and a built-in wireles card but no serial port. I suspect this year the modem is/will be dropped.
We are still seeing built in modems on nearly all Laptops we sell, however they are now quite rare as a standard fit on Desktop systems.
I don't think it will be long now though. Macbooks already come minus a Modem. I think the only real reason they are there still is that they cost virtually nothing to add and take up very little space.
Sysadmin/network engineer types are still mourning the loss of the serial port on most laptops, only a few (usually quite expensive) models still come with one of those.
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
Sysadmin/network engineer types are still mourning the loss of the serial port on most laptops, only a few (usually quite expensive) models still come with one of those.
Me too. I do a lot of microcontroller development and most of the tools use the serial port for device programmimg - I currently use a USB/serial adaptor on my laptop.
Ian
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 21:42 +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Me too. I do a lot of microcontroller development and most of the tools use the serial port for device programmimg - I currently use a USB/serial adaptor on my laptop.
Those things drive me mad. They never seem completely reliable and I know my Picstart programmer simply refused to work on one last time I tried it.
Also when I am out in the field and need to attach quickly to a managed switch/cisco/dying Alpha box or whatever usually I find that the converter has escaped from my kit bag.
Usually it elopes with the near impossible to find in an emergency Cisco console lead, but just recently it seems to have had a fling with my Alpha era storage controller console lead (nasty RJ45 end with offset latch and almost totally impossible to find)
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 21:42 +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Me too. I do a lot of microcontroller development and most of the tools use the serial port for device programmimg - I currently use a USB/serial adaptor on my laptop.
Those things drive me mad. They never seem completely reliable and I know my Picstart programmer simply refused to work on one last time I tried it.
I guess I have been lucky. I bought a cheap one from ebuyer and it has worked flawlessly.
Also when I am out in the field and need to attach quickly to a managed switch/cisco/dying Alpha box or whatever usually I find that the converter has escaped from my kit bag.
Ah, the joys of the field ;-) I strongly suspect there are special corollaries to Murphy's Law that apply specifically to the field - like the one tool you REALLY need won't be in your toolbox.
Usually it elopes with the near impossible to find in an emergency Cisco console lead, but just recently it seems to have had a fling with my Alpha era storage controller console lead (nasty RJ45 end with offset latch and almost totally impossible to find)
The other thing I find puzzling in this increasingly PC world is that we are still allowed to refer to male and female connectors - hoe sexist is that?
Ian
On 15-Jan-07 Ian bell wrote:
[...] The other thing I find puzzling in this increasingly PC world is that we are still allowed to refer to male and female connectors - how sexist is that?
I suppose we could revert to good old Plug and Socket connectors (indeed USB cables seem to use these terms already).
And then, as PC pressure increases so that "Male" and "Female" become unacceptable terms for the human genders, we can back transfer the connector terminology to Men and Women.
(But what should we then call that useful little device the "gender bender"?)
Ted.
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On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 23:12 +0000, ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
On 15-Jan-07 Ian bell wrote:
[...] The other thing I find puzzling in this increasingly PC world is that we are still allowed to refer to male and female connectors - how sexist is that?
I suppose we could revert to good old Plug and Socket connectors (indeed USB cables seem to use these terms already).
Ahh but those terms are not completely interchangeable because a socket can be either male or female (for example on the back of a UPS you have male and female IEC mains connectors but they are all referred to as sockets) Plugs simply are the bits on the ends of leads and sockets are the bits on the equipment they go into.
Even male and female can be harder to distinguish than it used to be as some connectors (particularly RF ones it seems) are best described as indeterminate or simply confused. I know I have spent a reasonable amount of time looking at some connectors and trying to figure out what sex they are. That said I sometimes get that with people as well so maybe it is just me :-)
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 23:12 +0000, ted.harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
On 15-Jan-07 Ian bell wrote:
[...] The other thing I find puzzling in this increasingly PC world is that we are still allowed to refer to male and female connectors - how sexist is that?
I suppose we could revert to good old Plug and Socket connectors (indeed USB cables seem to use these terms already).
Ahh but those terms are not completely interchangeable because a socket can be either male or female (for example on the back of a UPS you have male and female IEC mains connectors but they are all referred to as sockets) Plugs simply are the bits on the ends of leads and sockets are the bits on the equipment they go into.
Are you sure? ISTR seeing chassis mounting plugs.
Even male and female can be harder to distinguish than it used to be as some connectors (particularly RF ones it seems) are best described as indeterminate or simply confused.
Gay?
I know I have spent a reasonable
amount of time looking at some connectors and trying to figure out what sex they are. That said I sometimes get that with people as well so maybe it is just me :-)
Keen observation ;-)
Ian
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 07:16 +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Are you sure? ISTR seeing chassis mounting plugs.
Perhaps, but if you have a serial lead then the end that attaches to a computer is female but I have heard it called a plug more often than a socket.
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Tue, 2007-01-16 at 07:16 +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Are you sure? ISTR seeing chassis mounting plugs.
Perhaps, but if you have a serial lead then the end that attaches to a computer is female but I have heard it called a plug more often than a socket.
Ah, but that is different; the reason most chassis mounting connectors are female is that male connectors have exposed pins which could be dangerous if touched. That said I have seen many chassis mounted 3 pin XLR connectors, both male and female, in professional audio equipment.
Ian
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 10:55:45PM +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 21:42 +0000, Ian bell wrote:
Me too. I do a lot of microcontroller development and most of the tools use the serial port for device programmimg - I currently use a USB/serial adaptor on my laptop.
Those things drive me mad. They never seem completely reliable and I know my Picstart programmer simply refused to work on one last time I tried it.
I guess I have been lucky. I bought a cheap one from ebuyer and it has worked flawlessly.
What part number / Linux driver does it use? I've tried a few different devices and while they mostly work ok for serial with no flow control once you add flow control into the mix all bets are off. Particularly annoying if you want to use one to hook up an external modem (how's that for getting back to the original topic!).
J.
On 15/01/07, Ian bell ianbell@ukfsn.org wrote:
The other thing I find puzzling in this increasingly PC world is that we are still allowed to refer to male and female connectors - hoe sexist is that?
Not at all. I think it's a fact of life that males go out where ladies go in :-) I'm not sure linking the word 'gay' with 'simply confused' is very PC though.
However: I happen to have a spare external modem here if the original poster is still stuck.
Jenny
On Sunday 14 January 2007 19:26, elc@freeola.net wrote:
Hi I've been dabbling in Windows for a few years now and thought I knew something about what I was doing. Being reluctant to spend my hard earned cash on upgrading from Win 98 SE to another Gates product, I thought I would try Linux. I am now dual booting Win 98 and Kubuntu and working with a dial up internet connection. Now I realise how much I don't know !!! My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't recognise it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in use the one I have should have a linux driver. I've downloaded 'scanmodem' and run it and I get hundreds of lines of text that means nothing to me. Linux looks good to me, and I feel like sticking with it, if only I can get past first base. Can someone talk me thru in one syllable steps please to overcome this first hurdle.# Many thanks Eric
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A couple of pieces of advice - first, if you can manage it at all, get a real external modem. My second piece of advice, and I can't say this emphatically enough, is don't let that winmodem deter you, because one of the most enthusiatic GNU/Linux users I know was nearly put off by a winmodem just before their open source epiphany.
That said, I've used an intel 536ep winmodem before in a pinch - if you want things to "just work", you would probably be best off with SuSE.
What a sad thing that the warm fuzzy feeling is gone from recommending SuSE these days.
Cheers!
On 14/1/2007, "elc@freeola.net" elc@freeola.net wrote:
Hi I've been dabbling in Windows for a few years now and thought I knew something about what I was doing. Being reluctant to spend my hard earned cash on upgrading from Win 98 SE to another Gates product, I thought I would try Linux. I am now dual booting Win 98 and Kubuntu and working with a dial up internet connection. Now I realise how much I don't know !!! My winmodem is an Intel (R) 536 EP V.92 and Kubuntu doesn't recognise it. Somewhere the internet informs me that of all the winmodems in use the one I have should have a linux driver. I've downloaded 'scanmodem' and run it and I get hundreds of lines of text that means nothing to me. Linux looks good to me, and I feel like sticking with it, if only I can get past first base. Can someone talk me thru in one syllable steps please to overcome this first hurdle.# Many thanks Eric
Hi as promised here is the link I mentioned;
http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/Intel/Philippe.Vouters/
I am using;
http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/Intel/Philippe.Vouters/intel-536EP-...
but I see there's a later one;
http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/Intel/Philippe.Vouters/intel-536EP-...
which might be a better choice.
Haven't a clue what the 'secure' versions do or are for but, as I said, intel-536EP-2.56.76.0_21_09_2006.tgz works for me.
Don't forget you'll need to get the header package that corresponds to any pre-compiled kernel you're using.
Re the discussion about external modems, I tried to get hold of one this time last year and had great difficulty finding anything locally. Most of those I found where either USB or external Winmodems (would you believe!!). You can get them if you aren't paranoid like me and are happy to buy off the internet e.g. http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductInfoComm.asp?ID=6422
But a lot of modern h/w does seem to lack anything but USB ports for serial comms.
Anyway good luck and feel free to email me if you have any problems.
Regards
Keith
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