Knowing some of you use debian i just wanted to check before i download the wrong thing. If one wants a bootable (but not live CD) one just downloads the first CD of the (gulp) 53 available. I want to install xfce... so is the first one still ok? Since the last time i tried debian they seem to have liveCD iso and stick isos. Further down the list there is debian-6.0.6-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso I assume this is xfce and lxde desktops on one iso - but i can't find any info referring to it on the website. Would this be the better choice? thanks james
Hi Will you have a network connection during the installation. If so you just want the business card cd image, and then install what you want over the network connection. Ben James Freer wrote:
Knowing some of you use debian i just wanted to check before i download the wrong thing.
If one wants a bootable (but not live CD) one just downloads the first CD of the (gulp) 53 available. I want to install xfce... so is the first one still ok? Since the last time i tried debian they seem to have liveCD iso and stick isos.
Further down the list there is debian-6.0.6-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
I assume this is xfce and lxde desktops on one iso - but i can't find any info referring to it on the website. Would this be the better choice?
thanks james
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Sorry if i appear a bit thick but it is not clear on the website which to use. If i do a business card image 46mb i will be doing an awful lot of downloading. Debian then seem to have a load of iso-hybrid - i presume for usb stick installs. What about the xfce + lxde iso listed below - i thought that was what i'd wnat ideally? thanks james On Fri, 4 Jan 2013, Ben Whyall wrote:
Hi
Will you have a network connection during the installation. If so you just want the business card cd image, and then install what you want over the network connection.
Ben
James Freer wrote:
Knowing some of you use debian i just wanted to check before i download the wrong thing.
If one wants a bootable (but not live CD) one just downloads the first CD of the (gulp) 53 available. I want to install xfce... so is the first one still ok? Since the last time i tried debian they seem to have liveCD iso and stick isos.
Further down the list there is debian-6.0.6-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
I assume this is xfce and lxde desktops on one iso - but i can't find any info referring to it on the website. Would this be the better choice?
thanks james
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On 04/01/13 19:42, James Freer wrote:
Sorry if i appear a bit thick but it is not clear on the website which to use. If i do a business card image 46mb i will be doing an awful lot of downloading. Debian then seem to have a load of iso-hybrid - i presume for usb stick installs. What about the xfce + lxde iso listed below - i thought that was what i'd wnat ideally?
Further down the list there is debian-6.0.6-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
For you I'd recommend getting the xfce+lxde iso and install using that. It gives you a menu to chose XFCE or LXDE install and at the end you have an XFCE or LXDE system. There are other ways to do it but probably best left until you've been around Debian a bit more. Also verify the images: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify Your friends are: gpg --verify sha512sum Mike. -- FSF member #9429 http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=9429 http://www.fsf.org/about "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom and to defend the rights of all free software users."
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013, Michael Dorrington wrote:
On 04/01/13 19:42, James Freer wrote:
Sorry if i appear a bit thick but it is not clear on the website which to use. If i do a business card image 46mb i will be doing an awful lot of downloading. Debian then seem to have a load of iso-hybrid - i presume for usb stick installs. What about the xfce + lxde iso listed below - i thought that was what i'd wnat ideally?
Further down the list there is debian-6.0.6-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso
For you I'd recommend getting the xfce+lxde iso and install using that. It gives you a menu to chose XFCE or LXDE install and at the end you have an XFCE or LXDE system. There are other ways to do it but probably best left until you've been around Debian a bit more.
Also verify the images: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify Your friends are: gpg --verify sha512sum
Mike.
That's the iso i used and seemed to be ok installed. But i can't exit root; from either using the root terminal or synaptic... apart from reboot. gpg seems complicated to me! I just do sha or md5sum /dev/scd0 and then copy the output to editor where i've pasted the correct output. I thought that was the way everyone did it. james
On 05/01/13 21:54, James Freer wrote: <snip>
That's the iso i used and seemed to be ok installed. But i can't exit root; from either using the root terminal or synaptic... apart from reboot.
Not sure what you mean.
gpg seems complicated to me! I just do sha or md5sum /dev/scd0 and then copy the output to editor where i've pasted the correct output. I thought that was the way everyone did it.
You need to verify the signature to the sums file if you want to make sure the image didn't get tampered with on the way to you. Of course, this does give you the problem of verifying the gpg (OpenPGP) key. :) This is solvable by key signing in person and the web of trust or just downloading the key and crossing your fingers :D If you just want to test for accidental image corruption then what you did is enough but you should think about gpg. The Debian package manager uses gpg to verify the package database files (which includes sums) it downloads and then verifies these sums on the packages it downloads. This is like the manual steps you can do with the installer images. Mike. -- FSF member #9429 http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=9429 http://www.fsf.org/about "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom and to defend the rights of all free software users."
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013, Michael Dorrington wrote:
On 05/01/13 21:54, James Freer wrote: <snip>
That's the iso i used and seemed to be ok installed. But i can't exit root; from either using the root terminal or synaptic... apart from reboot.
Not sure what you mean.
Mike i don't know whether it's this CD or what but once one has signed in as root (or used synaptic) exit won't close it. james
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 10:29 PM, James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jan 2013, Michael Dorrington wrote:
On 05/01/13 21:54, James Freer wrote: <snip>
That's the iso i used and seemed to be ok installed. But i can't exit root; from either using the root terminal or synaptic... apart from reboot.
Not sure what you mean.
Mike i don't know whether it's this CD or what but once one has signed in as root (or used synaptic) exit won't close it.
james
I've found out what the problem is now. I can't believe it. When one goes into synaptic you get "enter the administrative password" and below one has the buttons 'Save for this session' and 'save in the keyring'. Save for this session is SET BY DEFAULT... why on earth! ubuntu doesn't have those buttons - it's just enter password. I can't think why anyone would want to save the password and have root privilege set for a session. Idea of root is when admin is required one does the admin and then exits returning to user status. Debian's got an entry in 'my black book'. james
james wrote:
goes into synaptic you get "enter the administrative password" and below one has the buttons 'Save for this session' and 'save in the keyring'. Save for this session is SET BY DEFAULT... why on earth! ubuntu doesn't have those buttons - it's just enter password.
I can't think why anyone would want to save the password and have root privilege set for a session. Idea of root is when admin is required one does the admin and then exits returning to user status. Debian's got an entry in 'my black book'.
I just tried this on my debian desktop system and the "Remember password" tickbox above the "Save for this session" and "Save in the keyring" is unticked by default, so it doesn't matter that "Save for this session" is highlighted as you'd need to tick the "Remember" first anyway. Maybe it changed since I installed this, though. Don't give it an entry in your black book - give it an entry in bugs.debian.org (but be aware it'll show your email address) by running Debian: Applications: System: Administration: Reportbug or similar. Based on watching System Monitor: Processes while trying it and then using locate su-to-root and reading that file, I think the package is probably gksu but it could be kde4su or sux instead. They're used in that order of preference, so check what's installed on your system. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, MJ Ray wrote:
james wrote:
goes into synaptic you get "enter the administrative password" and below one has the buttons 'Save for this session' and 'save in the keyring'. Save for this session is SET BY DEFAULT... why on earth! ubuntu doesn't have those buttons - it's just enter password.
I can't think why anyone would want to save the password and have root privilege set for a session. Idea of root is when admin is required one does the admin and then exits returning to user status. Debian's got an entry in 'my black book'.
I just tried this on my debian desktop system and the "Remember password" tickbox above the "Save for this session" and "Save in the keyring" is unticked by default, so it doesn't matter that "Save for this session" is highlighted as you'd need to tick the "Remember" first anyway. Maybe it changed since I installed this, though.
Don't give it an entry in your black book - give it an entry in bugs.debian.org (but be aware it'll show your email address) by
I appreciate your reply... i found it was set by default which is why i was 'thrown'. That window doesn't appear in *buntu which i'd used for 6 years. I'm going through a bad stage with linux at present. 'Black book' was just being light hearted - all distros have their place (even if one can't see it). Just that with ubuntu which is what i've used i've found more problems which each release. Emacs 24 is out... it'll be a while being it gets into their repos. In Fedora it's there (just been having a look at Fedora... never liked rpm but i'm thinking about it. For me the last straw in *buntu was a bug that created .goutputstream******** every time one logs in - known bug but does it get fixed - still there in 12.11. The last straw was a development version of Abiword 2.9.2 in 12.04 LTS - what is a development version (known with bugs doing in a stable release). *buntu seems to survive on hype - i used xubuntu before Unity (and grief) stepped in i'd like to add. Just liked xfce it seemed to be minimal and do somethings better like Bulk Rename compared with the bloated kRename which i used before. james
james wrote:
I appreciate your reply... i found it was set by default which is why i was 'thrown'. That window doesn't appear in *buntu which i'd used for 6 years. I'm going through a bad stage with linux at present. 'Black book' was just being light hearted - all distros have their place (even if one can't see it).
Yeah, I didn't take it too heavy. Just wanted to point you at how to fix it. Debian is all voluntary and there's always room for more volunteers, even if it's just making a note of the problems. I think that window doesn't appear in *buntu because that's one of the things its developers changed. Last time I remember, it did everything through sudo, which I feel is a bit risky, as you don't have to enter the password when the admin tool starts. But, as you say, all distros have their place. I stopped on debian because I was sent a big box of installation CDs by a friend and I worked my way down them until I didn't break the system quickly... Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
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