You should look carefully at the different ISPs before jumping in, as
not
all are created equal. Start with http://www.adslguide.org. Avoid
anyone
who wants you to sign up for a year, and (this is an opinion) anyone
who
insists on bundling a USB modem. Consider going with someone who
offers
fixed IP addresses; it doesn't have to cost more and you can plonk
down a
public server anytime you like. Go for a 'wires only' service,
though there
is an advantage in getting the router from your ISP; they're more
likely to
talk to you when things go wrong (as they do).
I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK come automatically configured for your connection.
D.
On Sat, 10 May 2003 me@davidfairey.org.uk wrote:
I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK come automatically configured for your connection.
And you've got to love a company that has http://sod.ms as a web page. A&A looks quite good, the price was about what I was going to pay on Nildram (highly recommended by a friend, with a static IP and not usage caps), so it's looking like a potential good choice. I'll keep digging to see if any even better turns up...
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I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK come automatically configured for your connection.
And you've got to love a company that has http://sod.ms as a web page. A&A looks quite good, the price was about what I was going to pay on Nildram (highly recommended by a friend, with a static IP and not usage caps), so it's looking like a potential good choice. I'll keep digging to see if any even better turns up... ----------------------------------
I've been with Zen (http://www.zen.co.uk) for a month or so and have no complaints other than that the bastards waived their connection fee a week after I joined - grrr, gnash. 8 fixed IP addresses and ... errr, that's about it. Always somewhere in the top group on www.adslguide.org.
-- GT
While randomly browsing I came across Xandros, with rave reviews. Anyone tried it?
-- GT
Graham Trott gt@pobox.com wrote:
While randomly browsing I came across Xandros, with rave reviews. Anyone tried it?
Going back in my archives (to get the date to go back to in the alug archives) I came across this 'ere message from Mr Billings: http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2003-April/014835.html
summary of most of the 'newbie' distros.
HTH. HAND.
Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
Graham Trott gt@pobox.com wrote:
While randomly browsing I came across Xandros, with rave reviews. Anyone tried it?
Er yes. What he said.
Edited highlights:
Xandros is debian based, uses apt tools, plus a graphical apt called Xandros Update. Also has (in it's more expensive form) Crossover office bundled. Both aged parents liked it and got on well with it, despite being non-linux or even non-computer people. Other people i know have since tried it on my laptop and got on well with it. It has a cunning feature not mentioned in the previous email which is it's ability to do WinXP-style fast use switching, which essentially seems to involve it kicking of a new instance of X on a spare virtual terminal while still leaving the original use logged in with her session optionally locked. Quite useful, so it is.
for the full whammy, read the link that Brett posted.
cheers, don't ya know.
John.
I am developing a large-ish Java application for an Arcom embedded PC running a cut-down Red Hat Linux. Although the machine, that pretends to be a 300MHz Geode, actually performs more like a 486, most of the time things are OK. But every so often the software stops working, and in some such cases I find a pile of about 30 Java threads I can't kill. The software is based on an all-Java webserver and the number if threads is not unexpected. Everything runs as root - that's all there is on this machine.
Question: Why when I give the command "killall java" does nothing happen? The threads still stubbornly sit there. I thought root had the ability to kill anything. Hitting them individually has no effect either. The only thing I can do that gets rid of them is a reboot.
-- GT
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:26:17PM +0100, Graham Trott wrote:
Question: Why when I give the command "killall java" does nothing happen?
Something does happen, it usually will send the processes a SIGTERM. To forcefully kill them, try with "killall -9 java", or "killall -KILL java".
-- ^iD^, id@nooped.com
On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:26:17PM +0100, Graham Trott wrote:
Question: Why when I give the command "killall java" does nothing happen?
One thing to bear in mind is that a process can be in a state whereby it is not killable. Sometimes a 'ps -l' will show it with a negative priority (don't confuse this with the nice value).
Also in top I think these processes may have a STAT of something unusual like "D" which means Deep Sleep :o)
Usually this is because the process is waiting for some I/O or other, AFAIK you can't do a lot to kill these other than finding out what they are waiting for and restoring that. most likely whatever that is, is the route of your problem.
Wayne
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On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 05:26:17PM +0100, Graham Trott wrote:
Question: Why when I give the command "killall java" does nothing happen?
One thing to bear in mind is that a process can be in a state whereby it is not killable. Sometimes a 'ps -l' will show it with a negative priority (don't confuse this with the nice value).
Also in top I think these processes may have a STAT of something unusual like "D" which means Deep Sleep :o)
Usually this is because the process is waiting for some I/O or other, AFAIK you can't do a lot to kill these other than finding out what they are waiting for and restoring that. most likely whatever that is, is the route of your problem.
Wayne ------------------------------------- I doubt if they're waiting for I/O, being mostly Java threads associated with a webserver. It's possible they could be hanging on network access but the APIs I use are protected with timeouts. The rogue threads are all marked as S in the Stat column. It's all rather frustrating now; I have to wait till it happens again to try out my shiny new 'killall -9'.
-- GT
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Graham Trott wrote:
While randomly browsing I came across Xandros, with rave reviews. Anyone tried it?
No, but I've just been trying Libranet 2.8 ... a very impressive and polished version of Debian, far easier to get up and running. Sadly, it still misses the laptop hardware support that is also a problem for me in Debian, but I'm sure it'd be fine on a desktop.
Andrew.
On Sunday 11 May 2003 1:20 pm, Andrew Savory wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Graham Trott wrote:
While randomly browsing I came across Xandros, with rave reviews. Anyone tried it?
No, but I've just been trying Libranet 2.8 ... a very impressive and polished version of Debian, far easier to get up and running. Sadly, it still misses the laptop hardware support that is also a problem for me in Debian, but I'm sure it'd be fine on a desktop.
Have you tried the latest Knoppix (debian based). In the last couple of days I have loaded it successfuly onto my Dell Inspiron 2650 laptop. Provided boot intialy with the noscsi option, it installs without problems and with kde 3.0
Ian
On Sun, 11 May 2003, Ian Bell wrote:
Have you tried the latest Knoppix (debian based). In the last couple of days I have loaded it successfuly onto my Dell Inspiron 2650 laptop. Provided boot intialy with the noscsi option, it installs without problems and with kde 3.0
Yeah, tried Knoppix - also pretty impressive, but not quite as up-to-date.
Andrew.
BenE wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2003 me@davidfairey.org.uk wrote:
I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK come automatically configured for your connection.
And you've got to love a company that has http://sod.ms as a web page. A&A
And http://www.bugger.me.uk/ (and a few other permutations!)
ArfArf!!!
I've met Adrian Kennard, and indeed, did some work at a customer site in Basingstoke with him. He's a pretty good bloke, and a long-term Linux head.
Cheers, Laurie.
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