Re: Microsoft is right Re: [Alug] Microsoft FUD
David Freeman <david_freeman@rocketmail.com> writes:
2)And how much does it cost to employ a MSCE certified tech to run the NT servers which need more care than a *nix box?
Amen. Sadly it seems to mean the nux admins are losing permanent jobs again, though. Maybe that's just what I'm seeing, or maybe we're about to have a resurgence where they *stop* employing busloads of NT/2k admins to patch that service together and employ nux admins to roll out a stable service.
4)Lack of availble software, on this one they are right, there is limited stuff for an epos system to use. But for office/desktop and server applications there are loads of pkgs avaible for free!
I thought EPoS had a few options (some commercial) on Linux now, including those used by some large chains. The details elude me, as it's not something I have much of an interest in just now, so I don't pay much attention to it.
8)Increased labour costs? now this one could be fair, but I don't see it as much of a problem, but spending money on lots of licenses for each user will cost more!
Wait until they get sued for the mental anguish of 2k/NT admins ;-)
9)LIMITED DEVELOPER TOOLS! what bollocks, I have on my machine some of the best tools on the planet with much nicer Ui and better EOU, GCC with Vi and GDB is everything I need and more with out spending a penny. Atleast I don't need to spend out on a new compiler every so often!
I've been doing some UI work again (cue flame from Brett) and I'm quite happy with the results so far, if I do say so myself. Anyone else out there tried ROX, http://rox.sourceforge.net/, yet? At last someone's taking the good ideas from RISCOS.
As for the subject, Microsoft are right on a couple of small points, but it all comes down to how you massage the facts. Anything is provable given enough imagination.
Nothing is provable except logic. Everything else just gathers empirical evidence until it is disproved. -- MJR
On 21 Jun 2001, MJ Ray wrote:
Amen. Sadly it seems to mean the nux admins are losing permanent jobs again, though. Maybe that's just what I'm seeing, or maybe we're about to have a resurgence where they *stop* employing busloads of NT/2k admins to patch that service together and employ nux admins to roll out a stable service.
Interesting you say this, I actually was (ok I admit don't hurt me) a Microsoft Certified person, and the certification got me exactly zero jobs! Everyone who wanted to employ me saw that I knew a little Unix. The police employed me when I had 6months unix exp as they couldn't find anyone who knew *nix, and then Zeus employed me 3 months later as a unix sysadmin (yeah I know I also look after the NT servers at work but they didn't exist until I had been at Zeus for a couple of months). The M$ certs cost me probably around a couple of grand to get and did absolutely no good for me, being a member of the Alug is what got me the job for Zeus as they guessed I was an enthusiast (I did have to pass some test things also) Oh yeah and no need to worry now, my M$ certification has lapsed.
I thought EPoS had a few options (some commercial) on Linux now, including those used by some large chains. The details elude me, as it's not something I have much of an interest in just now, so I don't pay much attention to it.
I was of the opinion that the EPOS market consisted of Unix terminals, AS400, and MS-Dos (I believe that Dos still sells something like 100,000 units a quarter in the UK just to support Epos terminals and factory control machines). Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam
Adam Bower wrote:
and then Zeus employed me 3 months later as a unix sysadmin (yeah I know I also look after the NT servers at work but they didn't exist until I had been at Zeus for a couple of months).
so you are responsible for getting NT installed at Zeus !!! aarrgghh traitor, burn him, throw him off the list ;)... -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Neill Newman wrote:
so you are responsible for getting NT installed at Zeus !!! aarrgghh traitor, burn him, throw him off the list ;)...
Not guilty gov, The Accounts package we purchased only runs on a M$ SQL server, and the system itself also requires a NT box to run on and a Citrix Metaframe server and the resplendent amount of other packages to add to the mix just to get a working NT enviroment. I did protest that it would be crap, but I was forced (at gunpoint) to install everything and make it work. What I find interesting though is these NT servers hardly ever fall over, I think the quality of the admin goes a very long way with NT. I remember that most of the things I learnt in anticipation of the M$ exams I didn't need. To be honest a Monkey could pass the exams if you gave him a couple of days in a boot camp! Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam
I find that the occasional reboot on NT helps to keep things a bit more stable. FWIW. Mark W.
-----Original Message----- From: alug-admin@stu.uea.ac.uk [mailto:alug-admin@stu.uea.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Adam Bower Sent: 22 June 2001 13:58 To: Neill Newman Cc: alug@stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: Microsoft is right Re: [Alug] Microsoft FUD
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Neill Newman wrote:
so you are responsible for getting NT installed at Zeus !!! aarrgghh traitor, burn him, throw him off the list ;)...
Not guilty gov, The Accounts package we purchased only runs on a M$ SQL server, and the system itself also requires a NT box to run on and a Citrix Metaframe server and the resplendent amount of other packages to add to the mix just to get a working NT enviroment.
I did protest that it would be crap, but I was forced (at gunpoint) to install everything and make it work. What I find interesting though is these NT servers hardly ever fall over, I think the quality of the admin goes a very long way with NT. I remember that most of the things I learnt in anticipation of the M$ exams I didn't need. To be honest a Monkey could pass the exams if you gave him a couple of days in a boot camp!
Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam
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