I've installed Mandrake Linux, given away with the recent issue of PC Plus, on my laptop and I love it. Kernel compiled for Pentiums, automounting of floppy and CDROM, a lovely install interface and a range of X windows managers. Anyone else tried it?
Ian
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Hi
I have been using Mandrake for some time now, it came with the Professional Suite Linux, with such packages as StarOfice 5.1 and a lot more, It seems to be very good, I use the KDE desktop, but be careful if you use gimp the odd option does not work and crashes the system.
If you find you need to install stuff later like SCSI cards then don't mess around trying to recompile the kernel, just re-run the installation and it should find the new hardware for you, it's a lot more like plug and play rather than MS plug and pray!
cheers
Simon
On Tue, 02 May 2000, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
I've installed Mandrake Linux, given away with the recent issue of PC Plus, on my laptop and I love it. Kernel compiled for Pentiums, automounting of floppy and CDROM, a lovely install interface and a range of X windows managers. Anyone else tried it?
Ian
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Hi
I have been using Mandrake for some time now, it came with the Professional Suite Linux, with such packages as StarOfice 5.1 and a lot more, It seems to be very good, I use the KDE desktop, but be careful if you use gimp the odd option does not work and crashes the system.
If you find you need to install stuff later like SCSI cards then don't mess around trying to recompile the kernel, just re-run the installation and it should find the new hardware for you, it's a lot more like plug and play rather than MS plug and pray!
cheers
Simon
I notice on my 'old' Red Hat' system that on boot up it spends a lot of time (tens of seconds) 'remounting file system in read/write mode'. Mandrake whips through this in the blink of an eye. Instead, Mandrake sits around for 20 seconds 'looking for new hardware'. Seems one bit gets better and another gets worse.
I take your point about running Gnome apps under KDE. Some of them just do not work. I like the GUI theat KDE provides but I hate how long it takes to load - 60 secs on my P233 laptop. Gnome comes up in less than a third of that and Icewm in no time at all.
Ian
Ian
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On Tue, 2 May 2000, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
Hi
I have been using Mandrake for some time now, it came with the Professional Suite Linux, with such packages as StarOfice 5.1 and a lot more, It seems to be very good, I use the KDE desktop, but be careful if you use gimp the odd option does not work and crashes the system.
If you find you need to install stuff later like SCSI cards then don't mess around trying to recompile the kernel, just re-run the installation and it should find the new hardware for you, it's a lot more like plug and play rather than MS plug and pray!
cheers
Simon
I notice on my 'old' Red Hat' system that on boot up it spends a lot of time (tens of seconds) 'remounting file system in read/write mode'. Mandrake whips through this in the blink of an eye. Instead, Mandrake sits around for 20 seconds 'looking for new hardware'. Seems one bit gets better and another gets worse.
As the superuser, run drakxservices.... .... disable Kudzu .... the system will no longer probe for new devices at boot time
I take your point about running Gnome apps under KDE. Some of them just do not work. I like the GUI theat KDE provides but I hate how long it takes to load - 60 secs on my P233 laptop. Gnome comes up in less than a third of that and Icewm in no time at all.
Ian
Ian
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Hi
I don't get any of this hassle, my version of Mandrake uses red hat 6.5, the system does not take that much longer to boot than OS/2 or MS windows whatever it is, but the longer time is the price you pay for a system that does the job properly (someone should explain this to Mrs Gate's boy).
On my system Gnome takes the same time to load, and I am not certain how I feel about it! KDE I think is the desktop that will ween the masses from MS systems as it looks so much like windows and OS/2. I find Gnome very clunky at the moment.
cheers
Simon
On Tue, 02 May 2000, Christopher Mascall wrote:
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
Hi
I have been using Mandrake for some time now, it came with the Professional Suite Linux, with such packages as StarOfice 5.1 and a lot more, It seems to be very good, I use the KDE desktop, but be careful if you use gimp the odd option does not work and crashes the system.
If you find you need to install stuff later like SCSI cards then don't mess around trying to recompile the kernel, just re-run the installation and it should find the new hardware for you, it's a lot more like plug and play rather than MS plug and pray!
cheers
Simon
I notice on my 'old' Red Hat' system that on boot up it spends a lot of time (tens of seconds) 'remounting file system in read/write mode'. Mandrake whips through this in the blink of an eye. Instead, Mandrake sits around for 20 seconds 'looking for new hardware'. Seems one bit gets better and another gets worse.
As the superuser, run drakxservices.... .... disable Kudzu ..... the system will no longer probe for new devices at boot time
I take your point about running Gnome apps under KDE. Some of them just do not work. I like the GUI theat KDE provides but I hate how long it takes to load - 60 secs on my P233 laptop. Gnome comes up in less than a third of that and Icewm in no time at all.
Ian
Ian
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On Tue, 2 May 2000, simon wrote:
On my system Gnome takes the same time to load, and I am not certain how I feel about it! KDE I think is the desktop that will ween the masses from MS systems as it looks so much like windows and OS/2. I find Gnome very clunky at the moment.
Heh. funny... I'm the other way around. (find KDE clunky and Gnome slick)
Takes all sorts, I guess <grin>
Paul
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Hi,
As someone very, very new to linux I would appreciate a few pointers as to which direction I should be going in.
I recently acquired a copy of Mandrake from the PC Plus coverdisk, I intend to run this as dualboot on my AST Acsentia P200MMX Laptop. Is Mandrake the best release for a newbie to use?
I also would appreciate any URL suggestions as to good sites to get ideas from and books which I should read. Also as a complete newbie would it be worth me coming along to one of your meetings?
Any help very much appreciated....
Thanking you in advance
Rob.
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Rob Smith wrote:
Hi,
As someone very, very new to linux I would appreciate a few pointers as to which direction I should be going in.
I recently acquired a copy of Mandrake from the PC Plus coverdisk, I intend to run this as dualboot on my AST Acsentia P200MMX Laptop. Is Mandrake the best release for a newbie to use?
Frankly, I think SuSE, but as Mandrake is based on RedHat, but unlike Redhat manages to work, you're better off with that than plain Redhat, and certainly, a lot of distros. For a complete newbie package, IMO, SuSE is pretty good: 6.4 is the latest.
I also would appreciate any URL suggestions as to good sites to get ideas from and books which I should read. Also as a complete newbie would it be
There are hundreds... I hesitate to mention specifics because one really has to choose ones own preference. That said, http://www.linuxnewbie.com is good, as are http://www.slashdot.com and http://www.freshmeat.com
Also take a look at http://www.suse.de/en
worth me coming along to one of your meetings?
Ab-so-'kin-lootely. Lots of skills, nice people, lots of support. If you're coming from a 'Doze background, don't underestimate the learning curve ahead. For that matter, don't underestimate how much you'll enjoy Linux, once the first hump is passed... A LUG is pretty important; come along!
Cheers, Laurie.
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Rob Smith wrote:
Hi,
As someone very, very new to linux I would appreciate a few pointers as
to
which direction I should be going in.
I recently acquired a copy of Mandrake from the PC Plus coverdisk, I
intend
to run this as dualboot on my AST Acsentia P200MMX Laptop. Is Mandrake
the
best release for a newbie to use?
Frankly, I think SuSE, but as Mandrake is based on RedHat, but unlike Redhat manages to work, you're better off with that than plain Redhat, and certainly, a lot of distros. For a complete newbie package, IMO, SuSE is pretty good: 6.4 is the latest.
I'm also a newbie, and have been running Mandrake 6.1 for a couple of months now. I reckon it's pretty good, but my experience with other distros is pretty non-existent.
I also would appreciate any URL suggestions as to good sites to get
ideas
from and books which I should read. Also as a complete newbie would it
be
There are hundreds... I hesitate to mention specifics because one really has to choose ones own preference. That said, http://www.linuxnewbie.com is good, as are http://www.slashdot.com and http://www.freshmeat.com
I think that should be http://www.linuxnewbie.org It's a must-see site for newbies IMHO.
Also take a look at http://www.suse.de/en
worth me coming along to one of your meetings?
Ab-so-'kin-lootely. Lots of skills, nice people, lots of support. If you're coming from a 'Doze background, don't underestimate the learning curve ahead.
Absolutely!! I'm lucky, I've had a tiny bit of experience with a couple of SunSparcs at work, but it was still quite a humbling experience for a IT Co-ordinator to suddenly find himself in a situation where he doesn't even know how to install a program! I'm desperately trying to learn Linux so that I can set up a cheap email server (can't bear the thought of the proposed NT/Exchange solution) but it's hard going when your stuck in a 'windows' frame of mind.
For that matter, don't underestimate how much you'll enjoy Linux, once the first hump is passed... A LUG is pretty important; come along!
Cheers, Laurie.
Where can I get info on the specific times/dates/venues for ALUG meetings? The only info I've got so far is 'the same place as last time'. I (sadly) don't live in the Anglian region anymore, but I visit quite often, so the earlier I can get info on meetings the more chance I have of planning a visit to coincide.
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On Wed, 10 May 2000, Tim Hicks wrote:
Where can I get info on the specific times/dates/venues for ALUG meetings?
The ALUG website - http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/
Next meeting is 21 May at UEA.
Andrew.
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Tim Hicks wrote:
Where can I get info on the specific times/dates/venues for ALUG meetings?
At the moment, the intention is to hold the meetings on the third Sunday of each month, alternating between Union House, UEA, Norwich (next 21st May), and Syleham and Wingfield(sp!) Computer Club, Syleham Village Hall, (Nr Diss), Suffolk (next on 18th June). We will hopefully pay occasional visits to Aylsham Friends Hall and I *will* get around to finding a venue in the fens at some point, as well as the oft-mentioned joint meetings with neighbouring LUGs.
Laurie Brown wrote:
Rob Smith wrote:
Hi,
As someone very, very new to linux I would appreciate a few pointers as to which direction I should be going in.
I recently acquired a copy of Mandrake from the PC Plus coverdisk, I intend to run this as dualboot on my AST Acsentia P200MMX Laptop. Is Mandrake the best release for a newbie to use?
Frankly, I think SuSE, but as Mandrake is based on RedHat, but unlike Redhat manages to work, you're better off with that than plain Redhat, and certainly, a lot of distros. For a complete newbie package, IMO, SuSE is pretty good: 6.4 is the latest.
Last time I played with Suse, I found they'd F***ed up the libraries and I couldn't get pine or apache to compile. Under redhat and slackware when I tried it, I RTFM'd and all worked fine, just wouldn't work under Suse. It put me off Suse for life after that.
Mandrake is certainly the nicest I've used so far.
My tuppence worth Chris
Laurie Brown wrote:
There are hundreds... I hesitate to mention specifics because one really has to choose ones own preference. That said, http://www.linuxnewbie.com is good, as are http://www.slashdot.com and http://www.freshmeat.com
I'm also finding http://www.linuxuk.co.uk/ worth tracking at the moment. And isn't it slashdot.org and freshmeat.net? The .com domains are recent additions.
simon wrote:
I don't get any of this hassle, my version of Mandrake uses red hat 6.5, the system does not take that much longer to boot than OS/2 or MS windows whatever it is, but the longer time is the price you pay for a system that does the job properly (someone should explain this to Mrs Gate's boy).
Is now a good time to point out how much faster a BSD-style init system comes up (eg on slackware) than a SysV one (as used on Redhat, Debian et al)? Probably not, but my old system boots in around 30s with all services running ;-)
Back to the point in hand: I did try Mandrake a while back during my multiple re-installs (it was at 6.something), but as I haven't used an RPM-based system for a couple of years now, I found the documentation I was given after installing was practically non-existant and I couldn't get the system tailored to how I wanted. It was very slick, though, and I'd rate it as alongside Storm for ease of installation, ahead of most of the established distributions.
Mandrake sits around for 20 seconds 'looking for new
hardware'. Seems one bit gets better and another gets worse.
As the superuser, run drakxservices.... .... disable Kudzu .... the system will no longer probe for new devices at boot time
Of course, why didn't I think of this,
Ian
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On Tue, 2 May 2000, Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
I take your point about running Gnome apps under KDE. Some of
<pedant> GIMP is not a GNOME application. It does not require it to run. </pendant>
them just do not work. I like the GUI theat KDE provides but I hate how long it takes to load - 60 secs on my P233 laptop. Gnome comes up in less than a third of that and Icewm in no time at all.
October GNOME is stable in comparison to almost any past version, but GNOME-1.1 really does shine. I have October GNOME (no debs of 1.1 can be found :() with sawmill, works nice and quickly.
KDE 'feels' more complete, but I think it's because KDE comes bundled with lots of utilities like configuration apps and monitors which GNOME doesn't. You can for example find guiTAR for GNOME via the gnome website, but it probably isn't bundled.
James.
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On Tue, May 02, 2000 at 07:02:36PM +0100, Green J M K wrote:
<pedant> GIMP is not a GNOME application. It does not require it to run. </pendant>
Hmm... come in a pedantic swine, go out something to hang on a necklace?
Hrm.. </pedant>. See, told you you didn't close it ;)
Paul
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I installed the PC Plus Mandrake Linux on my Pentium 266 desktop PC after creating a partition for it using Partition Manager version 5. The supplied copy of rawrite wouldn't run, and I had to use a copy from my Red Hat CD instead, but having got over this minor problem the Mandrake Linux appeared to install fine.
However, when I re-booted Windows 95 and tried to run Partition Magic again, Partition Magic would not run, as it could not find the start of the Windows partition. Being concerned about the possible implications for the stability of my PC, I decided to set up the PC again from scratch with Windows 95 and Red Hat 6.0. (This also seemed the best way to sort out some problems with my Windows system).
I liked Mandrake's user interface and the automounting, and also the apparent support for multimedia, although it didn't manage to configure itself correctly for my soundcard, but at the end of the day I felt safer with Red Hat (being a relative newbie to Linux).
Adrian (The bearded one on the left in 2 of the Alug 28 photos)
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I've installed Mandrake Linux, given away with the recent issue of PC Plus, on my laptop and I love it. Kernel compiled for Pentiums, automounting of floppy and CDROM, a lovely install interface and a range of X windows managers. Anyone else tried it?
Ian
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Adrian Kiddle wrote:
itself correctly for my soundcard, but at the end of the day I felt safer with Red Hat (being a relative newbie to Linux).
Now this surprises me: every time I've seen a RedHat release, it has been broken in some way(s) and there's no sign that things are getting any better with it. The documentation that comes with it has also left me unimpressed, but that's a general problem apart from Debian (which is too steep a learning curve for most newbies, IMO) and SuSE. Why do you feel safer with it? Is it just because an increasing number of authors are documenting RedHat instead of Linux?
(Don't get me wrong: everyone is free to use whatever they want, but I've normally pointed newbies away from RedHat towards SuSE or Mandrake because RedHat is usually broken. If that's wrong, I probably ought to know why.)
MJ Ray wrote:
[SNIP]
(Don't get me wrong: everyone is free to use whatever they want, but I've normally pointed newbies away from RedHat towards SuSE or Mandrake because RedHat is usually broken. If that's wrong, I probably ought to know why.)
Nope, it's not wrong. But then, as I'm an avowed SuSE-phile, you'd expect me to say that. I just find that SuSE gives me the best of all the worlds, which I accept is a compromise in some areas, but one I'm happy to make because overall, it's so much easier and thence more reliable.
Cheers, Laurie.
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Nope, it's not wrong. But then, as I'm an avowed SuSE-phile, you'd expect me to say that. I just find that SuSE gives me the best of all the worlds, which I accept is a compromise in some areas, but one I'm happy to make because overall, it's so much easier and thence more reliable.
Anyone feel competent/confident eneough to make a objective comparison of the major distros?
Ian
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Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
Anyone feel competent/confident eneough to make a objective comparison of the major distros?
Rephrase: anyone feel like opening themselves up to endless flaming by writing a comparison of the major distros?
I think a better way of doing this may be for experienced users of each distribution to write a piece that looks at the good and bad of their own distribution (as they all have different goals). Having someone who really knows each writing about it is a good idea, I think, whereas no-one can realistically keep up with them all.
Does someone have a few spare minutes to act as a central contact point for distribution reviews, which when complete, can be added to the main website? I don't think emailing them all to this list is appropriate... The Great ALUG Distribution Review: who's up for it?
Not yet, but when I get another harddrive I intend to. The version of XF86 is one of the most important bits for me at the moment (I got an odd graphics card and earlier versions don't recognise it) Does it take much space?
Dave
BTW thanks for making me welcome at the last ALUG meeting (BMW rider)
Not yet, but when I get another harddrive I intend to. The version of XF86 is one of the most important bits for me at the moment (I got an odd graphics card and earlier versions don't recognise it) Does it take much space?
The 'standard' desktop install needs about 650Mbytes. There are other options for 'developer, and 'server which require over 1gig. It's easiest to do the basic install thenuse Mandrake's RPM manager to install any extras you need..
Ian
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