I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London - you could probably fly one round in a helicopter and save money - and it would be more accessible than London on slightly snowy day. Price yourself out of the market - move to London and knacker your staff! Computers and computer staff should never be in London! Tom
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, tom potts wrote:
I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London
eh?
For sheer economies of scale, dumping your boxes where huge pipes converge and where everyone else is hosting will make London cheaper than most places in the UK (except possibly Manchester). Ok, Level 3 may not be the cheapest (have you tried Redbus, James?), but I'd be interested to hear of any cheaper non-London places you are aware of.
Andrew.
BT have a handy facility at Martlesham Heath, and one in Vauxhall, and at good prices ...
Simon
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Savory" lists@andrewsavory.com To: "tom potts" madtom1999@yahoo.com Cc: main@lists.alug.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] RE:Co-lo Server Advice Needed
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, tom potts wrote:
I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London
eh?
For sheer economies of scale, dumping your boxes where huge pipes converge and where everyone else is hosting will make London cheaper than most places in the UK (except possibly Manchester). Ok, Level 3 may not be the cheapest (have you tried Redbus, James?), but I'd be interested to hear of any cheaper non-London places you are aware of.
Andrew.
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First post here, so hello everybody!
Simon, do you have you any more details about BT, Martlesham Heath co-lo?
Andrew
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:15:25 -0000 "Simon" simon@goresmail.com wrote:
BT have a handy facility at Martlesham Heath, and one in Vauxhall, and at good prices ...
Simon
Never be afraid of trying something new, remember :
Amateurs built the Ark.... Professionals built the Titanic....
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, tom potts wrote:
I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London
eh?
For sheer economies of scale, dumping your boxes where huge pipes converge and where everyone else is hosting will make London cheaper than most places in the UK (except possibly Manchester). Ok, Level 3 may not be the cheapest (have you tried Redbus, James?), but I'd be interested to hear of any cheaper non-London places you are aware of.
Andrew.
-- All views are my own .... who else would want them?
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Andrew, Both nice secure places (guy with the rubber glove is very gentle!!!).. We have never had any problems, and a real bonus is that with it being in a BT building (co-lo is actually BT Ignite) you get excellent service for lines etc.. I had an E1 installed in 2 days recently... Also very good for X.25 etc.. Good backbone access (obviously).. Clean and tidy... Quite the oposite service compared to residential, it's really really good..
Been with them for 3 years and never had to complain or whinge about anything to do with the facility... In fact can't praise them enough... Installed 2 RS6000's and needed extra floor support.. Most places it's a pain in the butt, but not with them, no problems at all..
I'll pass your e-mail address onto our account manager and he'll be able to give you more info than I can (pricing etc..).... Never be afraid of trying something new, remember :
Amateurs built the Ark.... Professionals built the Titanic....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Keedle" andrew@numptyheads.com To: "Simon" simon@goresmail.com Cc: main@lists.alug.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] RE:Co-lo Server Advice Needed
First post here, so hello everybody!
Simon, do you have you any more details about BT, Martlesham Heath co-lo?
Andrew
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:15:25 -0000 "Simon" simon@goresmail.com wrote:
BT have a handy facility at Martlesham Heath, and one in Vauxhall, and at good prices ...
Simon
Never be afraid of trying something new, remember :
Amateurs built the Ark.... Professionals built the Titanic....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Savory" lists@andrewsavory.com To: "tom potts" madtom1999@yahoo.com Cc: main@lists.alug.org.uk Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] RE:Co-lo Server Advice Needed
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, tom potts wrote:
I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London
eh?
For sheer economies of scale, dumping your boxes where huge pipes converge and where everyone else is hosting will make London cheaper than most places in the UK (except possibly Manchester). Ok, Level 3 may not be the cheapest (have you tried Redbus, James?), but I'd be interested to hear of any cheaper non-London places you are aware of.
Andrew.
-- All views are my own .... who else would want them?
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I actually managed and installed a system at Level 3 (London Office 2 in Islington) last year. I didn't think they were catering for the smaller installations anymore (i.e only one cab) and that they had passed that on to a another company.
Maybe they changed their minds as they lost us, as well as a few other customers.
Anyway L3 are pretty good (as long as the building work at London 2 has now been finished) during the building works there were a few outages.
A couple of things to help you along.
Invest in a couple of APC Smart Mains switches. I had a problem with a machine freezing, these proved invaluable to give me the option of a one finger salute (cold boot) and saved me driving down to London more than once.
Get yourself a Router capable of Committed Access Rate *, if you are going for the L3 option of paying for bandwidth actually used and your site is going public. That way you can insulate yourself against paying for DOS attacks or slashdot effect, and have a nice even bill each month with no nasty surprises.
Also the ACL's on the router provide another handy line of (simple) security.
Get some really good hardware, I built my own rack of custom servers, but these were for a very specific application and were extensively tested before we took them down to L3. Unless you have lots of experience at building machines go for a good name.
Take some earplugs with you. If you are facing a nasty problem the background noise in L3's server room can be very distracting. Do resist the temptation to use your mobile "for that quick call" they will chuck you out as fast as they can look at you.
Don't try an do the initial installation by yourself, it's a long walk with heavy kit to get to your cab (London 2 is huge)
The key to co-location is adding a bit of redundancy, if you don't want to drop everything for a trip down London straight away if some hardware fails. Sometimes it is possible to get someone down there to attend to a failing system, if you think you need this take some photos of the back and front of the installation so that you can guide a 3rd party if required.
Oh and take some time to peer through the vents of other cabs down there, it's a bit rude but there is some very tasty kit in some of them. The Register were a few cabs down the hall from ours.
If you figure out a reliable way of working the combination locks on the cab doors then let me know :o)
* Commited access rates and ACL's can be quite taxing on a router, for Cisco I calculated that a 3600 was required to manage the full 100MB/s link without itself providing a bottleneck, I have the metrics somewhere if you need them.
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 12:20, Andrew Savory wrote:
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, tom potts wrote:
I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 08:26, tom potts wrote:
I would have thought anywhere was cheaper than London
- you could probably fly one round in a helicopter and
save money - and it would be more accessible than London on slightly snowy day. Price yourself out of the market - move to London and knacker your staff! Computers and computer staff should never be in London!
Our equipment will depend heavily on getting good rates from telcos, which is primary revenue stream. We were prepared to pay for Telehouse, but we are assured Level3 has plenty of telcos too :)
Thanks,
James
Tom
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