I've been using OwnCloud for a few years but it really is becoming a bit of a pain to support. Well, it always *was* a pain to support and now I'm getting fed up with maintaining it. There's all sorts of (minor, but they add up) issues with it:-
Upgrading is a pain, doesn't "just work". Various messages aboout security which don't link to anywhere useful. Basic Calendar and AddressBook apps aren't built-in, have to be re-enabled at each upgrade. Just messy generally!
So I'm considering alternatives. I need a calendar server which supports Linux (Thunderbird/Lightning) and Android clients, if it does address lists as well then so much the better but that's not vital.
Any recommendations anyone?
On 05/10/17 18:50, Chris Green wrote:
I've been using OwnCloud for a few years but it really is becoming a bit of a pain to support. Well, it always *was* a pain to support and now I'm getting fed up with maintaining it. There's all sorts of (minor, but they add up) issues with it:-
Upgrading is a pain, doesn't "just work". Various messages aboout security which don't link to anywhere useful. Basic Calendar and AddressBook apps aren't built-in, have to be re-enabled at each upgrade. Just messy generally!
So I'm considering alternatives. I need a calendar server which supports Linux (Thunderbird/Lightning) and Android clients, if it does address lists as well then so much the better but that's not vital.
Any recommendations anyone?
Many years ago I tried to do this. I ended up installing Caldav and/or Webdav (Calender Distributed Authoring and Versioning (or something like that) and WebDav (Web ditto). They're basically web servers that allow you to edit files that they serve. I then tried to craft a address-book structure that Thunderbird would understand and import my contacts. I think I installed a contact editing software package called Osmo and several others. (Osmo info http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/osmo-free-lightweight-contact-management-calend...)
I tried and tried but couldn't successfully get it all together to work. In the end, I disovered that Thunderbird easily connects to google and google can easily manage contacts lists and calenders, and share calenders between people, so I abandoned my previous attempts and went with Google. If that suits you and you don't mind Google managing your data, then that's fine, but I know it doesn't suit everyone. Otherwise I'd suggest looking at what calender and contact lists that Thunderbird supports and then software that provides them, or just look at Caldav, Webdav, Osmo and google how to integrate them.
There are numerous add-ons for Thunderbird that allow calenders and contacts to be integrated. Google calander can be integrated without any add-ons - you just need to find the URL for the calendar which you find on the calender settings web-page. As for contacts in Google, I use gContactSync which works fine for me. It replicates any folder structure you have in google, so you can have groups/folders of contacts (e.g. Work, Friends, Charities etc.)
Hope that helps.
Steve
Possibly helpful current links: https://opensource.com/alternatives/google-calendar https://www.linux.com/learn/five-best-open-source-calendar-servers-linux%20
It's a long time since I looked at this!
Steve
I've used the fork from OwnCloud, Nextcloud, for a couple of years. Works fine once set up but the upgrade system needs improving I haven't touched it for a year, though I do keep the server up to date.
Works with Kontact on my KDE desktop, T Bird on my Lubuntu aptop and an Android phone. Used to work with my wife's iPhad until she upgraded that and she hasn't bothered to set it up again, reverted to her paper diary!
Has some quirks like the calDAV link doesn't work for me in T'bird but the 'share' link does.
-- Phil Thane
www.pthane.co.uk phil@pthane.co.uk 01767 449759 07582 750607 Twitter @pthane On Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:50:23 BST Chris Green wrote:
I've been using OwnCloud for a few years but it really is becoming a bit of a pain to support. Well, it always *was* a pain to support and now I'm getting fed up with maintaining it. There's all sorts of (minor, but they add up) issues with it:-
Upgrading is a pain, doesn't "just work". Various messages aboout security which don't link to anywhere useful. Basic Calendar and AddressBook apps aren't built-in, have to be
re-enabled at each upgrade. Just messy generally!
So I'm considering alternatives. I need a calendar server which supports Linux (Thunderbird/Lightning) and Android clients, if it does address lists as well then so much the better but that's not vital.
Any recommendations anyone?
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 08:26:00PM +0100, Phil Thane wrote:
I've used the fork from OwnCloud, Nextcloud, for a couple of years. Works fine once set up but the upgrade system needs improving I haven't touched it for a year, though I do keep the server up to date.
That's been most of my issue with OwnCloud, the upgrade 'system' is a mess. Other sewrver side software such as DokuWiki manages to make upgrading very simple so why not OwnCloud?
Works with Kontact on my KDE desktop, T Bird on my Lubuntu aptop and an Android phone. Used to work with my wife's iPhad until she upgraded that and she hasn't bothered to set it up again, reverted to her paper diary!
Has some quirks like the calDAV link doesn't work for me in T'bird but the 'share' link does.
Thanks for the feedback.
You've prompted me to do something about it. It seems newer version of Nextcloud do have a simple updater, but first one has to update...
Details here: https://nextcloud.com/blog/get-up-to-date-with-the-new-nextcloud-updater/
Will give it a try.
-- Phil Thane
www.pthane.co.uk phil@pthane.co.uk 01767 449759 07582 750607 Twitter @pthane On Friday, 6 October 2017 08:45:33 BST Chris Green wrote:
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 08:26:00PM +0100, Phil Thane wrote:
I've used the fork from OwnCloud, Nextcloud, for a couple of years. Works fine once set up but the upgrade system needs improving I haven't touched it for a year, though I do keep the server up to date.
That's been most of my issue with OwnCloud, the upgrade 'system' is a mess. Other sewrver side software such as DokuWiki manages to make upgrading very simple so why not OwnCloud?
Works with Kontact on my KDE desktop, T Bird on my Lubuntu aptop and an Android phone. Used to work with my wife's iPhad until she upgraded that and she hasn't bothered to set it up again, reverted to her paper diary!
Has some quirks like the calDAV link doesn't work for me in T'bird but the 'share' link does.
Thanks for the feedback.
On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 10:00:55AM +0100, Phil Thane wrote:
You've prompted me to do something about it. It seems newer version of Nextcloud do have a simple updater, but first one has to update...
Details here: https://nextcloud.com/blog/get-up-to-date-with-the-new-nextcloud-updater/
Will give it a try.
I've been looking at NextCloud but it seems like overkill for my requirements, I don't want file sharing, I don't want zillions of add-ons and apps, I don't want to have to use a mySql database, etc. etc.
Just working through the requirements seems quite a bit of work, other software (e.g. WordPress, Dokuwiki) manage a simple installer that asks minimal questions and then 'just works'. OK, if I was installing for multiple users and was seriously worried about security etc. then it might make sense but I will have just one (or maybe two) users and security really isn't an issue, there isn't going to be sensitive information on the server and the (possibly) two users know everything about each other anyway! :-)
My wife just wants a calendar she can use from her Android tablet and from her (Linux) laptop. Maybe Google Calendar is the way to go.
B******s! The upgrade was 'successful', but it deleted the Calendar and Contacts apps...
Grrrr....
-- Phil Thane
www.pthane.co.uk phil@pthane.co.uk 01767 449759 07582 750607 Twitter @pthane On Friday, 6 October 2017 08:45:33 BST Chris Green wrote:
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 08:26:00PM +0100, Phil Thane wrote:
I've used the fork from OwnCloud, Nextcloud, for a couple of years. Works fine once set up but the upgrade system needs improving I haven't touched it for a year, though I do keep the server up to date.
That's been most of my issue with OwnCloud, the upgrade 'system' is a mess. Other sewrver side software such as DokuWiki manages to make upgrading very simple so why not OwnCloud?
Works with Kontact on my KDE desktop, T Bird on my Lubuntu aptop and an Android phone. Used to work with my wife's iPhad until she upgraded that and she hasn't bothered to set it up again, reverted to her paper diary!
Has some quirks like the calDAV link doesn't work for me in T'bird but the 'share' link does.
Thanks for the feedback.
On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 11:01:47AM +0100, Phil Thane wrote:
B******s! The upgrade was 'successful', but it deleted the Calendar and Contacts apps...
Grrrr....
Very similar to OwnCLoud then, it upgrades (in a fashion) but disables the Calendar and Contacts because they're add-ons.
... not to mention that the Contacts app is rubbish, it can't even sort contacts by family name.