Ebay and Firefox, again
Fellow brothers and sisters of the great God Linus, hear my cries and show me mercy (Not the one on Prince of Wales road). I looked at some posts from last month regarding ebay and Firefox. I am having so many problems with using ebay now I am having to use my Windows PC when ebaying. I use Fedora Core 4 (have been using FC series for several years) and KDE as shipped with the stabdard FC4 build. I have tried both firefox 1.0.4 and 1.5 and both just hang and time out when trying to view listings. "MyEbay" is a little slow but works. I tried Konqueror which was worse and Epiphany which was a little better. I have not actively used ebay for a few months so.......is FC4 no good for ebay or have Ebay added more MS only junk to the dynamic content that it won't work properly?. I know my firewall is fine as Ebay works fine on the windows PC's in my shared house. P.S does anyone else have to do the TCP/IP MTU trick with iptables to allow clamping of TCP/IP MTU sizes? I had to do this 6 months ago to get ebay working at all in my house when I moved. My old house 1 mile away did not require any such TCP/IP MTU clamping even though the hardware was the same, maybe something to do with the exchange or BT running gear or just an ebay thing. Happy new year David S Cooper
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 23:26 +0000, David Simon Cooper wrote:
I looked at some posts from last month regarding ebay and Firefox. I am having so many problems with using ebay now I am having to use my Windows PC when ebaying.
I use Fedora Core 4 (have been using FC series for several years) and KDE as shipped with the stabdard FC4 build. I have tried both firefox 1.0.4 and 1.5 and both just hang and time out when trying to view listings. "MyEbay" is a little slow but works. I tried Konqueror which was worse and Epiphany which was a little better.
It was suggested that this was pre Christmas rush on ebay. But I have very rarely had problems from my Mac downstairs or Windows machines at the office, yet pretty consistently fail to open new tabs in Firefox when middle clicking items of interest. I get as far as the listings with no problem, it's only viewing an actual item description that causes me problems...is that the same for you ?
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:56:01PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
It was suggested that this was pre Christmas rush on ebay. But I have very rarely had problems from my Mac downstairs or Windows machines at the office, yet pretty consistently fail to open new tabs in Firefox when middle clicking items of interest.
I have noticed it is a bit better again now, but the other day I did find mention of a javascript problem which breaks ebay for a few browsers (firefox from the ubuntu package being one of them) and that ebay don't consider it a problem so tough. (of course now you mentioned this again I can't find the post/message/website with this on). Even better was them having a message on their site the other day saying how they "value your security" but the only way to get all the functions of ebay to work is to use Internet Explorer.... Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
Adam Bower wrote:
Even better was them having a message on their site the other day saying how they "value your security" but the only way to get all the functions of ebay to work is to use Internet Explorer....
Thanks Adam
I just put it down to poor quality web developers/management and bad practice. If they had the experience and proper computing ethics they would know how to write decent dynamic code which worked on most systems. Code should never be released unless it is properly tested. David C
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Simon Cooper <david.cooper@uea.ac.uk> wrote:
Adam Bower wrote:
Even better was them having a message on their site the other day saying how they "value your security" but the only way to get all the functions of ebay to work is to use Internet Explorer....
Thanks Adam
I just put it down to poor quality web developers/management and bad practice. If they had the experience and proper computing ethics they would know how to write decent dynamic code which worked on most systems. Code should never be released unless it is properly tested.
Bah - dynamic code should run server side, dammit, Javascript is evil. It should go back to the hell from whence it came and die in a big messy heap. eBay are also evil. and they should go to hell too. Cheers, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDv69xEh8oWxevnjQRAu+cAKCuDw+ezWsMJ0ae60lOuqU5PRDuSgCfSIMA AxkCOq+iCC6LZ4MqAe1CCK0= =dtIU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
I get as far as the listings with no problem, it's only viewing an actual item description that causes me problems...is that the same for you ?
Yes Wayne, I can do a search and get a list of items. I click on an item and bang, server timeout (95% of the time). Konqueror is less patient than Firefox and gave me a port 80 timeout error after only a few seconds. Do Epiphany, Konqueror and Firefox all use the same core?, as they all seem to have similar problems on Linux. It makes me wonder what an earth the developes at ebay are putting into their code. I know the site is all Microsoft software. Me and a group did a university module where we had to write a dynamic site using JSP, Servlets and Apache Tomcat. It was an airline booking system that had a dynamic front end which hooked up to a postgres database. Our golden rule form the start was make sure it works with Linux browsers and Windows browsers, we were sure that Mac would be fine if we met these two criteria and it was. Why the hell can't ebay developers do the same? It's not that hard. I think I may have to get hold of a developers release of Firefox and test that.
David Simon Cooper wrote:
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
I get as far as the listings with no problem, it's only viewing an actual item description that causes me problems...is that the same for you ?
Yes Wayne, I can do a search and get a list of items. I click on an item and bang, server timeout (95% of the time). Konqueror is less patient than Firefox and gave me a port 80 timeout error after only a few seconds.
Do Epiphany, Konqueror and Firefox all use the same core?, as they all seem to have similar problems on Linux.
Dunno but I use Mozilla (which is based on the same rendering engine as Firefox) and it has no problems at all with eBay. I don't use Konq but as an experiment I just tried it on eBay and it was fine. Did a serach and selected and loaded items no problem. Ian
On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 10:42:14AM +0000, David Simon Cooper wrote:
It makes me wonder what an earth the developes at ebay are putting into their code. I know the site is all Microsoft software. Me and a group
From what I know about ebay a reasonable amount of the backend is running on Unix machines (mainly proprietary Unix and proprietary software, but hey).
Why the hell can't ebay developers do the same? It's not that hard. I think I may have to get hold of a developers release of Firefox and test that.
I think the problem is more subtle than that, as using Firefox 1.0.7 from Windows and the site works fine, just using the same (but packaged by Ubuntu) version on my desktop causes timeouts. I would think the best way forward would be for someone with lots of Web development experience tries to actually track down the bug and then point out to ebay that there is a problem, what the problem is and how it can be fixed. It could be as simple that they don't know there is a problem or what the problem is. I did read a thread on the community forums at ebay.co.uk where someone said the problem is with include.ebaystatic.com. Of course, I'm browsing ebay right now, with *no* problems at all which is most strange. Only thing of note is that I cleared the firefox cookies, cache etc. yesterday. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 10:42 +0000, David Simon Cooper wrote:
Do Epiphany, Konqueror and Firefox all use the same core?, as they all seem to have similar problems on Linux.
Not sure about Epiphany..I think it is built around the Mozilla engine (gecko) but I am not sure. Firefox/Mozilla and Konq both have different rendering engines....Apple use the Konq one (khtml) for Safari (which seems ok on Ebay)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist@digimatic.plus.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 10:42 +0000, David Simon Cooper wrote:
Do Epiphany, Konqueror and Firefox all use the same core?, as they all seem to have similar problems on Linux.
Not sure about Epiphany..I think it is built around the Mozilla engine (gecko) but I am not sure. Firefox/Mozilla and Konq both have different rendering engines....Apple use the Konq one (khtml) for Safari (which seems ok on Ebay)
Indeed Epiphany is a gecko based browser. Safari has a significantly hacked version of khtml, it supports "quite a few" things that the core khtml libraries don't, but yes, it came from that way origionally. Cheers, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDv7AFEh8oWxevnjQRAu3RAKDGSCRemYvc2DPnauF+OF/3Z6ECKgCgoJ4e WMDd5Okn7syAe5nihNk1p9M= =giLG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:26:43PM +0000, David Simon Cooper wrote:
Fellow brothers and sisters of the great God Linus, hear my cries and show me mercy (Not the one on Prince of Wales road).
I looked at some posts from last month regarding ebay and Firefox. I am having so many problems with using ebay now I am having to use my Windows PC when ebaying.
I use Fedora Core 4 (have been using FC series for several years) and KDE as shipped with the stabdard FC4 build. I have tried both firefox 1.0.4 and 1.5 and both just hang and time out when trying to view listings. "MyEbay" is a little slow but works. I tried Konqueror which was worse and Epiphany which was a little better.
I have not actively used ebay for a few months so.......is FC4 no good for ebay or have Ebay added more MS only junk to the dynamic content that it won't work properly?. I know my firewall is fine as Ebay works fine on the windows PC's in my shared house.
P.S does anyone else have to do the TCP/IP MTU trick with iptables to allow clamping of TCP/IP MTU sizes? I had to do this 6 months ago to get ebay working at all in my house when I moved. My old house 1 mile away did not require any such TCP/IP MTU clamping even though the hardware was the same, maybe something to do with the exchange or BT running gear or just an ebay thing.
I run Firefox 1.5 on Slackware at home and Firefox 1.0.7 on Solaris at work, neither has any problem at all with Ebay. I haven't got any MTU size fixes or anything either. At home this all goes through a Zyxel 660H router, at work I have no idea what it goes through. -- Chris Green (chris@areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."
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