On 17/01/11 16:06, keithjamieson@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
I'm trying to persuade a Virtual Ubuntu installation to talk to a Windows 7 host.
What's frustrating is that one share works but another doesn't and I can't see why, other than the 'Protocol error' which is displayed.
Is there somewhere on the virtual machine where this stuff is logged so that I can perhaps see what's going wrong?
Only in the syslog of the virtual machine. I dont think there are anything in the VM "program" to help. But I'll probably be proved wrong in the next post!
I've looked in the syslog but that doesn't show any networky-type errors.
Do both have the correct IP addresses AND netmasks? Can they ping each other ? Can you install Wireshark to see if packets are being received by the other machine? Does this install use the PC host as the NAT address, or the virtual machine use a similar IP address? Are there firewalls running on either of the machines?
Before I answer those questions, can I just point out one thing that I mentioned above? One share is working fine. It's when trying to create another that it's failing.
Can you try a pre-rolled small VM, like Puppy ?
Yes I can and have but didn't try multiple shares. I'll give that a go though to check.
I'm writing this under Mandriva. There I can run Windows XP as a guest and despite having multiple shares on the host machine, in XP it will only allow me to have one share to a NAS drive - there are 4 shares to that under Mandriva - so I'm wondering if it's a Windows limitation that's preventing me having two shares to the host machine. I realise that this isn't the place to ask Windows questions so I won't pursue that here.
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:36:50 +0000 From: cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk
On 17/01/11 16:06, keithjamieson@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Do both have the correct IP addresses AND netmasks? Can they ping each other ? Can you install Wireshark to see if packets are being received by the other machine? Does this install use the PC host as the NAT address, or the virtual machine use a similar IP address? Are there firewalls running on either of the machines?
Before I answer those questions, can I just point out one thing that I mentioned above? One share is working fine. It's when trying to create another that it's failing.
It could be a firewall issue on the host machine. It will allow outgoing connections, but not allow incoming. A simpel test is a ping test may assist in this.
It could be the "NAT thing" which I have had problems with in the past on work machines.
Can you try a pre-rolled small VM, like Puppy ?
Yes I can and have but didn't try multiple shares. I'll give that a go though to check.
I'm writing this under Mandriva. There I can run Windows XP as a guest and despite having multiple shares on the host machine, in XP it will only allow me to have one share to a NAS drive - there are 4 shares to that under Mandriva - so I'm wondering if it's a Windows limitation that's preventing me having two shares to the host machine. I realise that this isn't the place to ask Windows questions so I won't pursue that here.
Sorry I was just trying to help :)
Keith
On 17/01/11 19:08, keithjamieson@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
I'm writing this under Mandriva. There I can run Windows XP as a guest and despite having multiple shares on the host machine, in XP it will only allow me to have one share to a NAS drive - there are 4 shares to that under Mandriva - so I'm wondering if it's a Windows limitation that's preventing me having two shares to the host machine. I realise that this isn't the place to ask Windows questions so I won't pursue that here.
Depends on the version of Windows XP - if it's Windows XP Home, then yes perhaps it's a limitation of Windows
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457127.aspx
"The following security features are not included with Windows XP Home Edition: [] Computer domain account support [] Administrative shares (available only when joined to a domain) [] Networking Features
Many networking features are identical in Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. The main differences involve connection limits and simplification. While Windows XP Professional allows up to 10 simultaneous file-sharing connections, Windows XP Home Edition allows up to five connections only. "
HTH Steve
On 17/01/11 19:08, keithjamieson@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 17:36:50 +0000 From: cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk
On 17/01/11 16:06, keithjamieson@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Do both have the correct IP addresses AND netmasks? Can they ping each other ? Can you install Wireshark to see if packets are being received by the other machine? Does this install use the PC host as the NAT address, or the virtual machine use a similar IP address? Are there firewalls running on either of the machines?
Before I answer those questions, can I just point out one thing that I mentioned above? One share is working fine. It's when trying to create another that it's failing.
It could be a firewall issue on the host machine. It will allow outgoing connections, but not allow incoming. A simpel test is a ping test may assist in this.
It could be the "NAT thing" which I have had problems with in the past on work machines.
Can you try a pre-rolled small VM, like Puppy ?
Yes I can and have but didn't try multiple shares. I'll give that a go though to check.
That just confused me even more as neither of the 2 previous shares worked. They both declared 'Protocol error' so the finger is pointing at a user error ;-)
I'm writing this under Mandriva. There I can run Windows XP as a guest and despite having multiple shares on the host machine, in XP it will only allow me to have one share to a NAS drive - there are 4 shares to that under Mandriva - so I'm wondering if it's a Windows limitation that's preventing me having two shares to the host machine. I realise that this isn't the place to ask Windows questions so I won't pursue that here.
Sorry I was just trying to help :)
I apologise if you thought I was being anything other than appreciative.
As a by-the-way, I can't say I liked Puppy despite the ROX filer. I didn't like the single click - a la Mac - and nor did I like that everything runs as root. Taking the ROX filer in particular, Risc OS - the original RO - had a three button mouse and had context sensitive menus from the middle button. It certainly didn't have one click so I wasn't off to a good start with that. It may have been the setting from the virtual machine I imported of course as I recall people here recently extolling its virtues.
IMHO, Risc OS had one of the best desktops ever and nothing has come close to that. It was the filer that let it down as it didn't multi-task very well.
On 17/01/11 23:08, steve-ALUG@hst.me.uk wrote:
On 17/01/11 19:08, keithjamieson@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
I'm writing this under Mandriva. There I can run Windows XP as a guest and despite having multiple shares on the host machine, in XP it will only allow me to have one share to a NAS drive - there are 4 shares to that under Mandriva - so I'm wondering if it's a Windows limitation that's preventing me having two shares to the host machine. I realise that this isn't the place to ask Windows questions so I won't pursue that here.
Depends on the version of Windows XP - if it's Windows XP Home, then yes perhaps it's a limitation of Windows
The host with the problem is Windows 7 Home.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457127.aspx
"The following security features are not included with Windows XP Home Edition: [] Computer domain account support [] Administrative shares (available only when joined to a domain) [] Networking Features
Many networking features are identical in Windows XP Professional and Windows XP Home Edition. The main differences involve connection limits and simplification. While Windows XP Professional allows up to 10 simultaneous file-sharing connections, Windows XP Home Edition allows up to five connections only.
If I look at the connections in 7, it only showed 1 as being active which puzzled me.
I have overcome the problem by sharing the paent folder from the 2 I wanted so even though I can only manage to access one folder, it will allow me to find the various files I need.
That's to everybody for their help.
On 19/01/11 10:54, Chris Walker wrote:
The host with the problem is Windows 7 Home.
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If I look at the connections in 7, it only showed 1 as being active which puzzled me.
I have overcome the problem by sharing the paent folder from the 2 I wanted so even though I can only manage to access one folder, it will allow me to find the various files I need.
You could be experiencing the same issue under Windows 7 as described in Windows XP though.
M$ like to cripple their "Home" versions of the software, because, at home who could possibly have a network? Oh, YOU have a network, well in that case you must pay for the PROFESSIONAL version. Professional version at Profe$$ional prices.
YMMV, Other operating systems are available. ;-)
Glad you've got it working. :-)
Steve
On 20/01/11 10:31, steve-ALUG@hst.me.uk wrote:
M$ like to cripple their "Home" versions of the software, because, at home who could possibly have a network? Oh, YOU have a network, well in that case you must pay for the PROFESSIONAL version. Professional version at Profe$$ional prices.
YMMV, Other operating systems are available. ;-)
Glad you've got it working. :-)
To be completely fair....the ability (or not) to log onto a Domain is about the only thing stopping home editions from being used in a small businesses NT Domain, which naturally MS didn't want. When we are talking about a sold (as in for real money) OS I have no problem with the Home edition's networking stack being dumbed down to what works for *most* home users. The other differences amount to little outside an office network.
ISTR The file sharing connection is counted per client not per instance...So I don't think that was the specific problem here
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