Hi, Does anyone know of a bootable Linux CD which allows both read and write NTFS file system access. I would prefer the distro to boot to the command line as it will be used on old (100MHz and below) PCs with ancient graphics cards. I just need access to the ls, cp, rm, mv type commands... nothing complicated. Seasons Greetings! Ian.
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:22:09AM -0000, Ian Douglas wrote:
Does anyone know of a bootable Linux CD which allows both read and write NTFS file system access. I would prefer the distro to boot to the command line as it will be used on old (100MHz and below) PCs with ancient graphics cards. I just need access to the ls, cp, rm, mv type commands... nothing complicated.
Insert does (well, i've never tried using the read/write ntfs driver but it says it does) see http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html for more. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
On 18 December 2005 10:53, Adam Bower wrote:
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:22:09AM -0000, Ian Douglas wrote:
Does anyone know of a bootable Linux CD which allows both read and write NTFS file system access.
Insert does (well, i've never tried using the read/write ntfs driver but it says it does) see http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html for more.
Thanks for that Adam; iso download is now in progress... Ian.
On 18 December 2005 at 11:24 I wrote:
On 18 December 2005 10:53, Adam Bower wrote:
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 10:22:09AM -0000, Ian Douglas wrote:
Does anyone know of a bootable Linux CD which allows both read and write NTFS file system access.
Insert does (well, i've never tried using the read/write ntfs driver but it says it does) see http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html for more.
Thanks for that Adam; iso download is now in progress...
Hi again folks, I have downloaded the INSERT iso, created a cd from it, and used it to boot my Windows NT 4.0 PC. It boots ok but doesn't recognise my Microsoft 2 button serial mouse (it thinks I have a PS/2 wheel mouse) so I do a CTRL-ALT-F2 to switch to a terminal. In response to 'whoami' it said I am 'root'. I typed 'mount /mnt/hda1' and it came back with the command prompt. I then typed 'mount' but noticed it was mounted 'ro' so I umounted /mnt/hda1 and edited /etc/fstab to change the 'ro' to 'rw' then remounted /mnt/hda1. I typed 'mount' again and could see it was showing /dev/hda1 mounted as 'rw' I cd to /mnt/hda1 and done a 'ls -l' and could see the NT directory I am after (C:\IAN) so cd into it. But when I typed 'touch test.txt' I got: touch: cannot touch 'test.txt' : Permission denied. I must be doing something fundamentally silly but cannot think what... Any ideas anyone??? Ian.
On Sun, 2005-12-18 at 10:53 +0000, Adam Bower wrote:
Insert does (well, i've never tried using the read/write ntfs driver but it says it does) see http://www.inside-security.de/insert_en.html for more.
If not then I am pretty sure the NT Password Recovery ISO does it if you escape the actual NT password changing bit (or modify the scripts). http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ Some versions of that are small enough to fit on a floppy. Do remember though that as far as I know NTFS writing is still experimental, as should any reverse engineered writing operations be to an undocumented file system. If the data on those drives is at all valuable then I would consider other methods ( NTFSDOS Professional perhaps, but that has it's own limitations )
Do remember though that as far as I know NTFS writing is still experimental, as should any reverse engineered writing operations be to an undocumented file system. If the data on those drives is at all valuable then I would consider other methods ( NTFSDOS Professional perhaps, but that has it's own limitations )
http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ This was on slashdot ages ago.... it achieves ntfs write support using wine-esque methods... and according to their home page works... although I haven't tried it... and I'm not aware of any livecd that ships with it :-) Rob.
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 11:57:13AM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
Do remember though that as far as I know NTFS writing is still experimental, as should any reverse engineered writing operations be to an undocumented file system. If the data on those drives is at all valuable then I would consider other methods ( NTFSDOS Professional perhaps, but that has it's own limitations )
I think the method used by the Offline password and registry editor doesn't actually allow access to the filesystem. From what I read they use read only support to locate the sam database and then work out where the offset in that file is for the password and just overwrite those few bytes you can't add, remove or change the size of files already on the filesystem, but you can change a few bytes if you know where they are. This is in contrast to the system Insert recovery CD uses which is the so called "captive ntfs" driver which allows full read/write etc. to the filesystem because it (AIUI) uses the actual files ntkrnl.exe and ntfs.sys from a copy of Windows XP and then accesses them through the same way that they are used in Windows (through magick and hackery) read more at http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
On Sunday 18 December 2005 10:22, Ian Douglas wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know of a bootable Linux CD which allows both read and write NTFS file system access. I would prefer the distro to boot to the command line as it will be used on old (100MHz and below) PCs with ancient graphics cards. I just need access to the ls, cp, rm, mv type commands... nothing complicated.
Seasons Greetings! Ian.
I don't access ntfs file systems very much so I may be wrong here, but I believe knoppix will do what you want if you feed it "knoppix 2" when prompted at boot. The most recent knoppix I have boots to runlevel 2 when you do this, which gives pretty much everything without the GUI and makes for an excellent rescue disk. (Not forgetting that you have to mount -o rw,remount the volume if you want it rw in Knoppix:) ) Merry stuff, Ten -- There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Hi Ten,
I don't access ntfs file systems very much so I may be wrong here, but I believe knoppix will do what you want if you feed it "knoppix 2" when prompted at boot.
Thanks for that useful tip. The distro Adam recommended appears to be Knoppix based but I still cannot get write access to my NT 4.0 disk: :/ # whoami root :/ # mount /dev/hda1 :/ # mount /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw) /ramdisk on /ramdisk type tmpfs (rw,size=80000k) /UNIONFS on /UNIONFS type unionfs (rw,noatime,dirs=/ramdisk=rw:/INSERT=ro) /dev/hdb on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro) /dev/cloop on /INSERT type iso9660 (ro) /UNIONFS/dev/pts on /UNIONFS/dev/pts type devpts (rw) /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,devmode=0666) /UNIONFS/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ntfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,umask=000,uid=919,gid=919) :/ # umount /dev/hda1 :/ # cd /etc :/ # cat fstab proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /sys /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 /dev/pts /dev/pts devpts mode=0622 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,noauto,exec,umask=000 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto user,noauto,exec,ro 0 0 # Added by INSERT /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000,uid=insert,gid=insert 0 0 :/ # vi fstab <I change 'ro' to 'rw' for the /dev/hda1 entry> :/ # mount /dev/hda1 :/ # mount :/ # /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw) /ramdisk on /ramdisk type tmpfs (rw,size=80000k) /UNIONFS on /UNIONFS type unionfs (rw,noatime,dirs=/ramdisk=rw:/INSERT=ro) /dev/hdb on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro) /dev/cloop on /INSERT type iso9660 (ro) /UNIONFS/dev/pts on /UNIONFS/dev/pts type devpts (rw) /proc/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,devmode=0666) /UNIONFS/dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,umask=000,uid=919,gid=919) :/ # cd /mnt :/ # ls -l total 5 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Dec 19 09:29 cdrom drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 4096 Dec 17 11:17 hda1 :/ # cd /mnt/hda1 :/ # ls -l total 142672 -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Aug 3 08:13 AUTOEXEC.BAT -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Aug 3 08:13 CONFIG.SYS drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Sep 27 03:06 Config.Msi drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Aug 3 07:58 DEMONIE4 drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 4096 Dec 16 04:01 IAN drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Nov 11 11:12 INTERNET -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Aug 3 08:13 IO.SYS -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Aug 3 08:13 MSDOS.SYS drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Aug 3 08:02 Multimedia Files -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 26816 Aug 3 07:19 NTDETECT.COM drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Sep 24 15:36 NTP drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 8192 Oct 25 11:57 Program Files drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 4096 Oct 25 11:52 RECYCLER drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 73728 Dec 19 04:26 TEMP drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 45056 Oct 27 03:25 WINNT -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 289 Aug 3 08:05 boot.ini drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 4096 Sep 28 06:37 lotus -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 156496 Aug 3 07:19 ntldr -rwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 145752064 Dec 19 03:54 pagefile.sys drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 20480 Dec 5 15:50 quickenw :/ # cd IAN :/ # ls -l total 4220 -rwxrwxrwx 2 insert insert 14014 Nov 18 15:36 4_way_0_5m_Mains.jpg -rwxrwxrwx 2 insert insert 13500 Dec 14 03:11 4_way_0_5m_Mains2.jpg drwxrwxrwx 1 insert insert 0 Dec 14 03:27 website :/ # touch test.txt touch: cannot touch 'test.txt' : Permission denied :/ # Does the above transcript of my session give you any ideas about what I am doing wrong? Ian.
Ian Douglas wrote:
:/ # touch test.txt touch: cannot touch 'test.txt' : Permission denied :/ #
Does the above transcript of my session give you any ideas about what I am doing wrong?
Just a thought, but do you get the same results for different tests of writability? Eg, can you create a directory or does ls > test.txt work? There isn't a direct equivalent to touch in Windows so it would be worth checking that it isn't "touch" causing the problem rather than writability in general. [Actually: rem > filename .. is a pretty close Windows equivalent to touch in this context, in case anyone ever needs one.] -- Mark Rogers More Solutions Ltd :: 0845 45 89 555
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