Just upgraded to this. Am I alone in finding it very disconcerting? In fact, its so disconcerting that I'm seriously thinking of migrating to Konqueror. First there is the way fonts behave. Completely weird. Large spaces between words. It looks sort of like monospace, but for words, and the spacing on the page of a chunk of prose is weird. Tinkering at great length with the fonts helped a bit, I finally found one of the MS ones that looks not normal, but relatively bearable. Then there is the way that they have helpfully made the tab closures look all the same, whether for the open tab or others, so you can no longer see easily by the fact that the active one is red which it is. Then some pages simply don't display properly - ones which used to in 2.x That is, chunks of them are simply missing. 90% of the themes do not work with 3.x yet, so your ability to change any of the appearance is limited. Perhaps most disconcerting is the way autocompletion now seems to work. When you type in a url, it produces a list of suggestions in large font, with legends under them, most of which appear not to have been ones you've previously visited, and most of which I have no intention of ever visiting. It feels like a sort of weird spam. What on earth was wrong with just giving you a list in some reasonably sized and neutral font? Is there any way to get back to that? And is this actually advertising? Its hard to see that it could be, since many of the links are to sites that would likely not pay. Is it some idiot's idea of how to be helpful? I'd be on K now, except for the fact that migrating the bookmarks is a horrendous process. K seems to do imports in such a way that you end up with everything on one huge page which totally occupies the screen. Why it cannot simply import them in the folders they are in....! Or is this just me? Does everyone else think its the bees knees, the dogs unmentionables and so on? Peter
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 19:22 +0000, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Just upgraded to this. Am I alone in finding it very disconcerting? In fact, its so disconcerting that I'm seriously thinking of migrating to Konqueror.
I didn't like it much at first...my biggest complaint was that a very important plugin refused to load even with the compatibility checking turned off...not really Mozilla's fault and more VMware for suddenly making my virtual machines live at the mercy of firefox working or not.
First there is the way fonts behave. Completely weird. Large spaces between words. It looks sort of like monospace, but for words, and the spacing on the page of a chunk of prose is weird.
Can't say I have seen that behaviour here...is this a distro specific build or a vanilla package ?
Then some pages simply don't display properly - ones which used to in 2.x That is, chunks of them are simply missing. 90% of the themes do not work with 3.x yet, so your ability to change any of the appearance is limited.
I had some site compatibility issues when I first got it (which admittedly was when Uubuntu stuck the beta in Feisty) but it seems to have settled down now and apart from the odd slight layout issue I can't remember the last time I had a problem that actually prevented me from using a site...do you have any examples, it would be good to see.
Perhaps most disconcerting is the way autocompletion now seems to work. When you type in a url, it produces a list of suggestions in large font, with legends under them, most of which appear not to have been ones you've previously visited, and most of which I have no intention of ever visiting.
For me every choice it displays is either previously visited or in my bookmarks. So again I am not sure why your configuration differs.
It feels like a sort of weird spam. What on earth was wrong with just giving you a list in some reasonably sized and neutral font? Is there any way to get back to that?
Some tinkering in about:config might do it..but good luck finding the right option..Google might help here.
Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Just upgraded to this. Am I alone in finding it very disconcerting? In fact, its so disconcerting that I'm seriously thinking of migrating to Konqueror.
I'm pretty irritated by many things about Firefox 3 (or rather, its close free software equivalent Iceweasel 3). Not by fonts, though, which seem the same as they were before to me. I don't use themes either. I'd agree that the new autocomplete is big and a waste of CPU. The History and Bookmark sidebars seem to be only accessible by hotkeys and I've just discovered that bookmarks.html isn't updated by default anymore - you have to click through a lot of menus and type in hidden folder names to regenate bookmarks.html which is pretty poor. I intend to upgrade to Conkeror, just as soon as other people stop breaking systems we need for work... Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
Hi 2008/10/30 MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>:
and I've just discovered that bookmarks.html isn't updated by default anymore - you have to click through a lot of menus and type in hidden folder names to regenate bookmarks.html which is pretty poor.
I was under the impression that Firefox 2's bookmarks were bookmarks.html, so does that mean that FF3 now stores the bookmark information in some other file and only exports to bookmarks.html if requested? Eugh...
I intend to upgrade to Conkeror, just as soon as other people stop breaking systems we need for work...
A bit cheeky of them to name it (http://conkeror.org/) so similarly to Konqueror. Srdjan
"Srdjan Todorovic" <todorovic.s@googlemail.com> wrote:
I was under the impression that Firefox 2's bookmarks were bookmarks.html, so does that mean that FF3 now stores the bookmark information in some other file and only exports to bookmarks.html if requested? Eugh...
You've got it. They seem to be in files named bookmarkbackups/bookmarks-YYYY-MM-DD.json now. Eugh indeed. -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:38:49PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
"Srdjan Todorovic" <todorovic.s@googlemail.com> wrote:
I was under the impression that Firefox 2's bookmarks were bookmarks.html, so does that mean that FF3 now stores the bookmark information in some other file and only exports to bookmarks.html if requested? Eugh...
You've got it. They seem to be in files named bookmarkbackups/bookmarks-YYYY-MM-DD.json now.
Eugh indeed.
I've read somewhere that the bookmarks management has been given a pretty fundamental overhaul in Firefox 3. The drag & drop stuff has been rejigged, introducing a bug that will cause bookmarks to simply disappear if they are dragged from the right panel onto a folder on the left panel. Also, Firefox 3 continues to irritate me with the "feature" of switching itself to offline mode if eth0 isn't up. Apparently, others have been even more irritated -- I've read that there's a plugin that prevents this behaviour. Overall my impression is that Firefox 3 could have been realeased more mature, and that it could have been designed with a bit more of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" spirit. Best regards, Jan -- +- Jan T. Kim -------------------------------------------------------+ | email: j.kim@.uea.ac.uk | | WWW: http://www.cmp.uea.ac.uk/people/jtk | *-----=< hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans >=-----*
2008/10/30 Srdjan Todorovic <todorovic.s@googlemail.com>:
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2008/10/30 MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>:
and I've just discovered that bookmarks.html isn't updated by default anymore - you have to click through a lot of menus and type in hidden folder names to regenate bookmarks.html which is pretty poor.
I was under the impression that Firefox 2's bookmarks were bookmarks.html, so does that mean that FF3 now stores the bookmark information in some other file and only exports to bookmarks.html if requested?
IIRC FF now use SQLite to store bookmarks, presumably to make things like the URL bar easier to auto-complete. Greg
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