Hi folks,
We're advertising here at MPC, and I thought anybody who might be thinking about heading down London way to work might be interested in the following vacancy:-
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MPC requires Unix Systems Administrators to help with all aspects of running its large network of mainly Linux plus some IRIX and Solaris servers and workstations.
A background in video/film/post production would be useful, but not essential.
Applicants should have a strong background in: - Network infrastructure (network protocols, routing, firewalls etc.). - Installation, configuration, customization and optimization of Unix operating systems and application software. - Use of various Unix scripting languages, (shell scripts, perl, tcl etc.). - Problem solving and troubleshooting system and user support issues.
Please submit your cv for the attention of Rebecca Hare, The Moving Picture Company, 127 Wardour Street, London W1F ONL, or email rebecca-h@moving-picture.com
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Regards,
Martyn Drake
Hi,
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Martyn Drake wrote:
MPC requires Unix Systems Administrators to help with all aspects of running its large network of mainly Linux plus some IRIX and Solaris servers and workstations.
Interesting to see a Unix Sysadmin job advertised where no unix is used, just alternative unices!
Andrew.
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com writes:
Martyn Drake wrote:
MPC requires Unix Systems Administrators to help with all aspects of running its large network of mainly Linux plus some IRIX and Solaris servers and workstations.
Interesting to see a Unix Sysadmin job advertised where no unix is used, just alternative unices!
Solaris "isn't UNIX"?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Solaris "isn't UNIX"?
Depending on your preferred definition, Solaris is either a Unix-like operating system (The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (12 Sep 2002) [foldoc]), or a messy pile of badly-patched binaries, unfriendly utilities and general bloat pretending to be an operating system. Not that I'm biased against it, or anything.
Andrew.
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com writes:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Solaris "isn't UNIX"?
Depending on your preferred definition, Solaris is either a Unix-like operating system (The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (12 Sep 2002) [foldoc]), or a messy pile of badly-patched binaries, unfriendly utilities and general bloat pretending to be an operating system. Not that I'm biased against it, or anything.
So what do you think _does_ count as "being UNIX"?
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
So what do you think _does_ count as "being UNIX"?
Not sure there are any true "UNIX" operating systems around any more, just derivatives.
Andrew.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:00:14PM +0000, Andrew Savory wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
So what do you think _does_ count as "being UNIX"?
Not sure there are any true "UNIX" operating systems around any more, just derivatives.
I believe that SCO is the "original" unix, and having had to use it in the past and maintain it I can only gladly speak of the "deriatives" that people use now.
Adam
Adam Bower abower@thebowery.co.uk writes:
Andrew Savory wrote:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
So what do you think _does_ count as "being UNIX"?
Not sure there are any true "UNIX" operating systems around any more, just derivatives.
Well, Solaris is clearly at least a derivative in a way that (say) Linux isn't.
Even quite modern Solaris contains "features" that date back to V7...
I believe that SCO is the "original" unix, and having had to use it in the past and maintain it I can only gladly speak of the "deriatives" that people use now.
SCO is a company, not a product.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:11:03PM +0000, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Adam Bower abower@thebowery.co.uk writes:
I believe that SCO is the "original" unix, and having had to use it in the past and maintain it I can only gladly speak of the "deriatives" that people use now.
SCO is a company, not a product.
If you are going to be a pedant then it is called SCO UnixWare and I can't for the life of me remember the name of it in the past when it was also unix.
Seeing as most people referred to it as SCO Unix then I think most people would know what I mean. After a bit of quick reference from a book I am referring to the full product name "SCO Open Desktop" and "SCO Open Server" the product with the name "OpenServer" now is probably from the same code base but I am not sure about the "OpenUnix" product.
Happy now?
Adam
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Adam Bower wrote:
Happy now?
If that isn't enough, http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html shows we haven't really had a definitive UNIX since 1974 or so.
Andrew.
Adam Bower abower@thebowery.co.uk writes:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Adam Bower abower@thebowery.co.uk writes:
I believe that SCO is the "original" unix, and having had to use it in the past and maintain it I can only gladly speak of the "deriatives" that people use now.
SCO is a company, not a product.
If you are going to be a pedant then it is called SCO UnixWare and I can't for the life of me remember the name of it in the past when it was also unix.
I've heard people use "SCO" to refer to all three of Xenix, Openserver (et al) and Unixware. How should I know which you were talking about?
Seeing as most people referred to it as SCO Unix then I think most people would know what I mean. After a bit of quick reference from a book I am referring to the full product name "SCO Open Desktop" and "SCO Open Server" the product with the name "OpenServer" now is probably from the same code base but I am not sure about the "OpenUnix" product.
Openserver was historically an entirely separate product from Unixware, branched from AT&T code long before Unixware existed.
Martyn Drake martyn-d@moving-picture.com wrote:
We're advertising here at MPC, and I thought anybody who might be thinking about heading down London way to work might be interested in
Far be it from me to criticise the Lord High Womble, but London is not in East Anglia and http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/ is a better place for these.
Well, it worked for me when I was made redundant from the evil Net Communications and couldn't find a Linux-based job in East Anglia. Just wanted to help out anybody that might have been in a similar situation.
I've suggested www.linux-jobs.co.uk to the recruitment folks, so hopefully something will happen there soon.
Regards,
Martyn
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 04:22:25PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Martyn Drake martyn-d@moving-picture.com wrote:
We're advertising here at MPC, and I thought anybody who might be thinking about heading down London way to work might be interested in
Far be it from me to criticise the Lord High Womble, but London is not in East Anglia and http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/ is a better place for these.
but we like Martyn so we will let him off, ;) and MPC from what I gather is not a bad place to work at all really. Plus they are working on some very nice projects now and have a tendency to use free software where possible. (from what I heard anyhow)
Adam
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Adam Bower wrote:
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 04:22:25PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Martyn Drake martyn-d@moving-picture.com wrote:
We're advertising here at MPC, and I thought anybody who might be thinking about heading down London way to work might be interested in
Far be it from me to criticise the Lord High Womble, but London is not in East Anglia and http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/ is a better place for these.
but we like Martyn so we will let him off, ;) and MPC from what I gather is not a bad place to work at all really.
And East Anglia is a quite valid London commuter area, so jobs in London will certainly be of interest to many ALUG members.
Andrew.
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com wrote:
And East Anglia is a quite valid London commuter area, so jobs in London will certainly be of interest to many ALUG members.
So I say: everyone wanting jobs go look at http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/ or other recruitment services. Let them run their own mailing lists, or someone set up jobs@lists.alug. It's not like there's so little useful discussion and information on main we need to fill it up with job ads that are already well-served...
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, MJ Ray wrote:
So I say: everyone wanting jobs go look at http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/ or other recruitment services.
You seem to be the only one complaining. If there were floods of complaints about Martyn's post, your continued protestations would seem worthwhile. If Martyn thinks a job is worth bringing to our attention, then I'm sure it is. Does linux-jobs.co.uk have a box saying "this job advert comes from a company employing an ALUG person"?
*plonk*
Andrew.
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com wrote:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, MJ Ray wrote:
So I say: everyone wanting jobs go look at http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/ or other recruitment services.
You seem to be the only one complaining. If there were floods of complaints about Martyn's post, your continued protestations would seem worthwhile. If Martyn thinks a job is worth bringing to our attention, then I'm sure it is. Does linux-jobs.co.uk have a box saying "this job advert comes from a company employing an ALUG person"?
/me mutters something about not having had time/inclination to look at the list in the last little while, and so complaints havn't really been valid. I think marks point of making a jobs@ is fair, given that we do everynow and again get a whole job lot, and makes it easier for anyone that is actually looking for job offers to filter the damned things somewhere sane easily. But hey, as long as you're happy.
Brett.
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com wrote:
You seem to be the only one complaining.
Andrew seems to be complaining too, so just broke his own argument. Oops!
If there were floods of complaints about Martyn's post, your continued protestations would seem worthwhile.
I protested *once* which is hardly "continued protestations".
In my first post to this thread, I gave a link to a jobs site, where they'll more likely get good candidates for the job. I'd checked this job wasn't yet listed on there. I thought it was a bit further than most ALUGgers would travel, hence the comment about areas.
How do you want to be misinterpreted today?
Does linux-jobs.co.uk have a box saying "this job advert comes from a company employing an ALUG person"?
Not yet, I don't think. Why not suggest it to them? They have links to the people running lug.org.uk, I think, so they should be open to ideas for greater participation.
*plonk*
"er" is missing off the end of your nick, dear.
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, MJ Ray wrote:
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com wrote:
You seem to be the only one complaining.
Andrew seems to be complaining too, so just broke his own argument. Oops!
You seemed to be the only one complaining *about Martyn posting a job advert*. Sorry if the meaning of my sentence was unclear to you.
I protested *once* which is hardly "continued protestations".
Ok, count with me:
| Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:22:25 GMT | From: MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk | | Far be it from me to criticise the Lord High Womble
.... one ....
| Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:17:45 GMT | From: MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk | | So I say: everyone wanting jobs go look at http://www.linux-jobs.co.uk/
.... two ....
So how many times is that?
Andrew.
Andrew Savory lists@andrewsavory.com wrote:
Ok, count with me: | Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:22:25 GMT | From: MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk | | Far be it from me to criticise the Lord High Womble ... one .... [...]
No, zero ... if we're counting me protesting about the posting of a job advert to main. I'm not sure you understood that part of my last message.
So how many times is that?
One at most.
When Andrew announced that he'd dropped me into the killfile, I was surprised that PINE had killfiles. I thought maybe Andrew hacked them into the non-free PINE somehow. Given that I just got a reply to my (admittedly off-colour) followup, which I carefully didn't cc, I guess PINE doesn't really have killfiles. I guess it was just grandstanding for off-list reasons. Sorry to the list for that little experiment.
Remember, don't reply to those you've claimed to killfile. HTH HANL.
MJR
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