I'm in the market for a new laptop, primarily because I'm fed up with my existing one using loads of CPU doing things the GPU should be doing (compiz being the main culprit). The existing laptop has an AMD graphics chipset which is apparently well supported but reality is less kind...
My usage as far as graphics is concerned is nothing special; I'd like the laptop to be able to run VirtualBox comfortably and handle several (outbound) remote desktop sessions so having memory and CPU available matters more than GPU, as long as the latter can do everything expected of a "modern" distro (Ubuntu 14.10 currently). I don't turn on extra graphics effects but don't want to have to turn off the basis either.
My instinct is to look at Intel GPUs as they seem to work well with FOSS drivers. I don't have a strong position on proprietary drivers but my experience is that if I want to still be using the laptop in 5 years time then relying on AMD to keep supporting it is unwise.
But it's a long time since I looked at graphics chipsets so any comments welcomed. I'm undecided whether to get a cheap laptop (~£200) or go for a better one (say £400) but I'll take some convincing to go beyond that.
On 31/01/15 16:28, Mark Rogers wrote:
I'm in the market for a new laptop, primarily because I'm fed up with my existing one using loads of CPU doing things the GPU should be doing (compiz being the main culprit). The existing laptop has an AMD graphics chipset which is apparently well supported but reality is less kind...
My usage as far as graphics is concerned is nothing special; I'd like the laptop to be able to run VirtualBox comfortably and handle several (outbound) remote desktop sessions so having memory and CPU available matters more than GPU, as long as the latter can do everything expected of a "modern" distro (Ubuntu 14.10 currently). I don't turn on extra graphics effects but don't want to have to turn off the basis either.
My instinct is to look at Intel GPUs as they seem to work well with FOSS drivers. I don't have a strong position on proprietary drivers but my experience is that if I want to still be using the laptop in 5 years time then relying on AMD to keep supporting it is unwise.
But it's a long time since I looked at graphics chipsets so any comments welcomed. I'm undecided whether to get a cheap laptop (~£200) or go for a better one (say £400) but I'll take some convincing to go beyond that.
The NVIDIA graphics have gotten a lot better lately with NVIDIA keeping the drivers well up to date, as long as you're comfortable with terminating x-server sessions to install it (the ones stored in repositories are normally hopelessly outdated) although they have a bit of a tendency to break with some kernel changes.
What sort of distro will you be using? You say you're using ubuntu 14.10 at the moment, are there any plans to change that with a new laptop?
I took a long time setting up my xubuntu 14.04 LTS with my NVIDIA graphics card on my PC and accidentally broke it a couple of times trying to be clever but the LTS nature means that most of the libraries I use stay solid for ages. Every so often I check the NVIDIA website, grab the most recent driver, install it then grab the most recent repo-based kernel. It's been working pretty reliably since April last year. If you're using Debian then even better - I eventually got fed up of xubuntu on my laptop and replaced it with Debian 7. I spent about an hour configuring things when I fired it up and nothing has broken (or even changed how it behaves) in almost 6 months. Naturally if you're planning on using something like Arch or Gentoo, then it's entirely up to you to keep the drivers on a relatively stable version.
Low end gaming laptops have crashed in price recently - you can get some with 1GB dedicated graphics cards for about £350 (Intel i3 or better (up to 2.2-2.4GHz) processors, 4-8GB of RAM depending on the make etc) so it might be worth utilising the gaming build styles: graphics and processing power as top priorities.
If there's a computer shop (normally independent) near you that does laptop repairs, check out to see if they do any refurbished gaming laptops. There's a shop near me that has ordered me in a 2.4GHz, 2GB NVIDIA graphics card, 8GB RAM 500GB storage laptop for me for just over £300. The snag? It was owned by a gamer for two months before they needed a repair under warranty. For reference, my current laptop - 1.7GHz, AMD E2 Vision GPU (no dedicated memory), 6GB RAM 750GB storage - still costs upwards of £270 brand new.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 04:28:16PM +0000, Mark Rogers wrote:
But it's a long time since I looked at graphics chipsets so any comments welcomed. I'm undecided whether to get a cheap laptop (~£200) or go for a better one (say £400) but I'll take some convincing to go beyond that.
This isn't going to really be a helpful comment but I recently bought a Thinkpad W530 which was £1000, although it did come with SSD, full hd screen, 8GB RAM and a quad core i7. One of the selling points was that it has both an Intel and Nvidia graphics chipset it that can be switched between per application at runtime so I have the best of both.
I used to have a Thinkpad W500 that had an AMD and Intel chipset in it but you could not switch between the gpu without a reboot and the AMD support was supposed to be great but in reality it left me with a fast but broken gpu so I ended up using the Intel chipset all of the time which meant no playing around with software like blender. Personally I'm unlikely to buy an AMD graphics card again.
Anyhow, there are some external gpu options that you may want to look at where you can hook up a single lane of PCI to an external graphics card, it won't work for many modern games but would be good enough for 3d modelling.
At the price you're looking at spending I think I'd be wanting an Intel based chipset.
Adam
Thanks both of you for your advice.
I have been toying with the idea of replacing my old laptop for months but a New Year's resolution was to spend more time doing and less time putting things off, so I took the plunge and ordered an HP i5 with 8GB RAM and 1.5TB HDD, Intel graphics, for just shy of £400inc [1]
It's from PC World which is a shame but from what I can tell it should handle Ubuntu pretty well, with 1.5TB giving me plenty of space to try alternatives too if I feel like it. Even worse it's blue, but that's probably why it hasn't sold out like the white version, and I'm really not that bothered about the case colour! I do of-course have some time under distance selling regs to change my mind so if anyone thinks I've made a terrible mistake please chirp up (within 7 days :-)
[1] http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-1...