Hi all, Um, this came to the main-admin address today, I'm not quite sure what to make of it, any ideas? We did have an email about a talk from Graham Parker on a similar subject (Windows and .net) a few months back but I think that we talked about it on irc, and then forgot about it. Adam ----- Forwarded message from Rebecca Bursnall <Rebecca@vbug.co.uk> ----- From: Rebecca Bursnall <Rebecca@vbug.co.uk> To: "'main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk'" <main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: Speaker Opportunity with Anglian LUG Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:11:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Hi A colleague of mine, Graham Parker, is looking to reach out further into the community this year. In particular he is looking for speaking engagements with Linux user groups on the subject of Windows Platform Integration through the use of Web Services. He has delivered a number of talks around the UK in the last few years and delivered Talk 1 attached to the JSIG (see www.jsig.com) in December 2004 and Talk 2 to Doncaster & Scunthorpe Linux UG in February 2005 and Aylesbury Linux User Group in March 2005. Do you have an opportunity this year for him to come and speak to your audience? Best wishes Rebecca Rebecca Bursnall VBUG Events Manager Tel: 01753 648555 Fax: 01753 647222 Email: rebecca@vbug.co.uk www.vbug.net Check out all forthcoming VBUG events at http://www.vbug.net/events/default.asp <<DCG Standard Talk Outline.txt>> About these Sessions: --------------------- I am looking to come to talk to your audience so that they can express their views honestly, ask challenging questions and share perspectives with their peers on a series of today's important modern technology challenges when it comes to working with .NET and Windows. Talk 1: Integrating J2EE with .NET The only other major contender besides Java for the hearts and minds of software developers is Microsoft?s .NET initiative. In this session we will see Why Java/J2EE Developers might be interested in knowing more about .NET? All the major elements of .NET will be covered; including the CLR, Visual Studio .NET and language support. As far as Java/J2EE .NET integration points are concerned Web Services are certainly the key features but what are the other options? We?ll explore the basic elements of.NET Smart Clients, highlighting some of the benefits of Windows Forms and office integration. We?ll also cover the key advances in deployment and security. We?ll hook up a simple Smart Client application to a contract exposed by a publicly available Web Service and look at the C# Code automatically created. Talk 2: Windows Platform Integration It is now a well-accepted fact that most IT infrastructures are made up of a variety of platforms and environments, rather than the homogenous ?one vendor? vision. This reality means it makes sense for IT professionals and developers to build up their knowledge of other technologies beyond their current core skills. Instead of re-igniting the well known platform wars; in this session we will take a more practial approach. As far as platform integration is concerned, Web Services are probably the most discussed example. But what are the other options? We?ll start by building a simple .NET web service. And go on to hook up a simple application to the contract exposed by this service, looking at the automatically generated code that results. There will be time for questions and maybe we'll even let off a bit of steam about certain platform frustrations. About Graham Parker: Graham Parker worked on various versions of Unix for ICL after graduating in 1990. He joined VBUG in 1994 and was Chairman of the group from 1997 until 2005. He is a co-founder and principal of DevTrain ? a .NET focused training company see http://www.devtrain.co.uk/. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
Two questions spring to mind.... Does he expect a fee for his services, and what is he trying to sell.. It might be an opportunity to show him how open source software development works an persuade him to come away from the dark side. Or a chance for a fine lynching party ;) Regards, Paul. On Monday 04 April 2005 21:26, Adam Bower wrote:
Um, this came to the main-admin address today, I'm not quite sure what to make of it, any ideas? We did have an email about a talk from Graham Parker on a similar subject (Windows and .net) a few months back but I think that we talked about it on irc, and then forgot about it.
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A colleague of mine, Graham Parker, is looking to reach out further into the community this year. In particular he is looking for speaking engagements with Linux user groups on the subject of Windows Platform Integration through the use of Web Services.
-- Pieces of seven, pieces of seven - A parroty error. "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password." From a collection of quotes at http://www.indigo.org/quotes.html
Paul wrote:
Two questions spring to mind.... Does he expect a fee for his services, and what is he trying to sell..
It might be an opportunity to show him how open source software development works an persuade him to come away from the dark side. Or a chance for a fine lynching party ;)
As long as his motives are clear I can't see a problem. It might be worth it for shits and giggles if nothing else :-) I'm perplexed as to his motives. Giving talks to LUGS about (I presume) windows software/development would be like preaching christianity to an atheist convention. beb -- <Insert Bill Hicks quote here>
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Two questions spring to mind.... Does he expect a fee for his services, and what is he trying to sell..
It might be an opportunity to show him how open source software development works an persuade him to come away from the dark side. Or a chance for a fine lynching party ;)
Another question which might be asked is: would he *HAVE* an audience? -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:57:56PM +0100, Anthony Anson wrote:
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Two questions spring to mind.... Does he expect a fee for his services, and what is he trying to sell..
It might be an opportunity to show him how open source software development works an persuade him to come away from the dark side. Or a chance for a fine lynching party ;)
Another question which might be asked is: would he *HAVE* an audience?
Would there be beer? J. -- Web [ Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's Hand Grenades I throw! ] site: http:// [ ] Made by www.earth.li/~noodles/ [ ] HuggieTag 0.0.22
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:57:56PM +0100, Anthony Anson wrote:
The message <200504042135.40464.bdi-emc@ntlworld.com> from Paul <bdi-emc@ntlworld.com> contains these words:
Two questions spring to mind.... Does he expect a fee for his services, and what is he trying to sell..
It might be an opportunity to show him how open source software development works an persuade him to come away from the dark side. Or a chance for a fine lynching party ;)
Another question which might be asked is: would he *HAVE* an audience?
Would there be beer?
Yes, but not necessarily there. The Fat Cat's still got plenty, as has the Reindeer, so, I expect, has the Kings Arms. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.
On 04-Apr-05 Jonathan McDowell wrote:
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:57:56PM +0100, Anthony Anson wrote:
The message <200504042135.40464.bdi-emc@ntlworld.com> from Paul <bdi-emc@ntlworld.com> contains these words:
Two questions spring to mind.... Does he expect a fee for his services, and what is he trying to sell..
It might be an opportunity to show him how open source software development works an persuade him to come away from the dark side. Or a chance for a fine lynching party ;)
Another question which might be asked is: would he *HAVE* an audience?
Would there be beer?
One might need it ... has anyone had a look at http://vbug.co.uk or http://www.vbug.net (they seem to be the same thing)? And what might "VB" stand for in "VBUG"? (There is a very small prize for the first correct solution within the next five minutes.) Hint: http://www.vbug.net/technicalsupport/topicposts.asp?CID=2&TID=5024 Cheers, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 05-Apr-05 Time: 01:04:59 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 01:04 +0100, Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
And what might "VB" stand for in "VBUG"? (There is a very small prize for the first correct solution within the next five minutes.)
Hint: http://www.vbug.net/technicalsupport/topicposts.asp?CID=2&TID=5024
I suggest we politely decline the offer. He wants to talks about interop, which wouldn't be an issue if M$ actually build standards compliant products in the first place ! PeterO
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On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 01:04 +0100, Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
And what might "VB" stand for in "VBUG"? (There is a very small prize for the first correct solution within the next five minutes.)
Hint: http://www.vbug.net/technicalsupport/topicposts.asp?CID=2&TID=5024
I suggest we politely decline the offer.
He wants to talks about interop, which wouldn't be an issue if M$ actually build standards compliant products in the first place !
All the more reason to educate him. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.
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Would there be beer?
One might need it ... has anyone had a look at
or
(they seem to be the same thing)?
And what might "VB" stand for in "VBUG"? (There is a very small prize for the first correct solution within the next five minutes.)
Arial made a 600cc side-valve called the VB - I wonder if it might be a Post Vintage Thoroughbred question? I think I'll wait for a KTTUG or a 7RUG to come along. Oh, and in the Norwich PDSA shop on Saturday I bought The Idiot's Guide to Visual Basic 6, for the grand sum of 25p... Actually, I mustn't be too frivolous - I do use VB occasionally, and now I've got (but not fitted) a DVD drive, I've an evaluation copy of VB.net to play with. So yes, I might be interested in a talk on it. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.
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Actually, I mustn't be too frivolous - I do use VB occasionally, and now I've got (but not fitted) a DVD drive, I've an evaluation copy of VB.net to play with. So yes, I might be interested in a talk on it.
Quick! Someone get the bleach! He needs cleaning! (Says the bloke that's spent half the day fighting a broken disk in a win2k3 server. Guess what, the disk is now in a nux b0xen, it is broken, but I managed to get the file off that I wanted (woo!).) Ta, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCUqJrEh8oWxevnjQRAnt+AKCaHl/WiwXBfr9qSXU6E9fbcXc3aACfTgfB nEdWJcw56zdLv8MyvJFo1eA= =f8jS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Anthony Anson wrote:
Oh, and in the Norwich PDSA shop on Saturday I bought The Idiot's Guide to Visual Basic 6, for the grand sum of 25p...
Actually, I mustn't be too frivolous - I do use VB occasionally, and now I've got (but not fitted) a DVD drive, I've an evaluation copy of VB.net to play with. So yes, I might be interested in a talk on it.
Ah, a terrible secret shame. Ah well, I guess many of us have done it, just to see what it's like. I know I have. Don't get carried away, though. I've heard too much using visual basic makes you go blind - or even that it can make your moxie drop off. Speaking of which, I took a stroll off to that site (I was lured), and saw a link that said "Why software development today is in crisis". <http://vbug.net/articles/moredetails.asp?GUID=%7BC3C66887-85E9-4F25-AE84-3AE7128EFE1D%7D> After following countless billions of links-within-links-within-registration-processes, I found they saw no link whatsoever between the titular assertion (software dev being "in crisis"), and the fact that Visual Basic is supposed to be the most popular programming language on the planet. A crippling lack of insight, perhaps? ..Maybe I'm just a sour, rambling git when influenzificated.
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Actually, I mustn't be too frivolous - I do use VB occasionally, and now I've got (but not fitted) a DVD drive, I've an evaluation copy of VB.net to play with. So yes, I might be interested in a talk on it.
Ah, a terrible secret shame. Ah well, I guess many of us have done it, just to see what it's like. I know I have.
Don't get carried away, though. I've heard too much using visual basic makes you go blind - or even that it can make your moxie drop off.
Well, the VB6 was a spare, given to me by our software developer, and the VB.net (evaluation) copy was a freebie from Another Place. I started playing with VB recently, when a 'Terrified of Computers' peripatetic class started, and the local one was set to fold because of lack of support, so I and a few others joined. We played with some nice flaptops for a bit, but to keep us happy, we were provided with VB to amuse ourselves. Then funding dried up, and that was that. I'm loath to waste a handful of mornings, even if I never do anything with VB. I have to admit though, that it must be a year since I played with it - is my moxie safe now? -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.
On 11-Apr-05 Anthony Anson wrote:
I have to admit though, that it must be a year since I played with it - is my moxie safe now?
Err, played with what, Tony? Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 12-Apr-05 Time: 00:34:45 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
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On 11-Apr-05 Anthony Anson wrote:
I have to admit though, that it must be a year since I played with it - is my moxie safe now?
Err, played with what, Tony?
<Señor Moment> I can't remember - after all, I did write that yesterday. </moment> -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ The only way to tell when a Finn is in love with you is that they look at your feet instead of their own.
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 21:26 +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
Hi all,
Um, this came to the main-admin address today, I'm not quite sure what to make of it, any ideas? We did have an email about a talk from Graham Parker on a similar subject (Windows and .net) a few months back but I think that we talked about it on irc, and then forgot about it.
Hi A colleague of mine, Graham Parker, is looking to reach out further into the community this year.
I think he's got the wrong community looking at the subject matter. PeterO
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:21:05 +0100 Peter Onion <Peter.Onion@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 21:26 +0100, Adam Bower wrote:
Hi all,
Um, this came to the main-admin address today, I'm not quite sure what to make of it, any ideas? We did have an email about a talk from Graham Parker on a similar subject (Windows and .net) a few months back but I think that we talked about it on irc, and then forgot about it.
Hi A colleague of mine, Graham Parker, is looking to reach out further into the community this year.
I think he's got the wrong community looking at the subject matter.
yes, although I had to read carefully I would ask the other lugs before inviting him. though if the clients where windows and the server was Linux he might just be on to a very good talk! Some of us have to work for our keep, out side software houses. Its a more typical way round in SME's in my opinion and increasingly ubuntu or other Linux distributions will take over the desktop space. I do hope we still have new operating systems, Plan 9's idea of every application having to mount the file system and the GUI, denying access seem the best security measure in my opinion. Vitalisation such as VMS seams the most practical solution to my processing/IO resource in my opinion, while reliable messaging systems such as IBM's operating systems are built on are just expensive on every other platform. I bet semantic web browsers if they happen will come out on Microsoft first. Shame about the talk really, If the clients where windows and the server was Linux hosted he might just be on to a very good talk! People would be queueing up pay to here about it all, and suprised he gives away free talks to linux groups. Regards Owen PS And if he had better developer tools for Linux I should like to know but kylix is getting thier but still no hint of powerPC, or much intrest from the hacker hobbist, I hope Borland realise the future is no longer chip architecture bound, it is not much interest if its only for the CV, Linux is not longer just for fun!
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