That sounds great Chris. What I was thinking was having a page where we make a list of the available to lend books with the following details - Title - Author - Publisher - Who owns the book And then for each book have a attached page where we can do a library checking out thing so we know who has the book on loan, when it was loaned out and when the owner got it back. That way we can keep track of the books and have a history to see which are the most popular etc. Maybe then we could have a talk from someone about the contents of the book so that a discussion has formed. Just a little idea.
I would be happy to get that pages going on the Wiki to start with and then people can add books or take them off if they leave us for other things etc.
Tracy x
-----Original Message----- From: main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 20 February 2007 09:09 To: ALUG Subject: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:33:36AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote:
Hey fellas,
Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old friends.)
Yes, same here.
Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing.
That sounds like an ideal wiki sort of thing.
I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could
make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given them).
I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd want to keep but would be very happy to lend.
Reference the Library, why not start with the collection of books already available and just add to the existing ALUG one ?
The ALUG library is held in Bury St Edmunds by me, so is even more local to the iPLUG than the majority of ALUG. I am sure if you really are going to operate as an extension of ALUG then none of the ALUG members will object to sharing this resource.
The library page has the ability to have borrower/lenders which is functionality I added but never fully tested. In theory you can all add the books you are willing to lend out and then when someone makes a reservation on that book the person who added it is notified by email that person X wants to borrow it.
http://ccgi.digimatic.plus.com/opendb/login.php
I am wanting to move this at some point to be more integrated with the ALUG pages. Mainly because I would like a flat page on the ALUG site with a list of books for those who want to see what the library contains without logging in.
For those how do not yet have accounts please be patient for a response to the sign up script, The new user moderation goes to my home address so only usually gets responded to out of office hours.
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 09:15 +0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote:
That sounds great Chris. What I was thinking was having a page where we make a list of the available to lend books with the following details
- Title
- Author
- Publisher
- Who owns the book
And then for each book have a attached page where we can do a library checking out thing so we know who has the book on loan, when it was loaned out and when the owner got it back. That way we can keep track of the books and have a history to see which are the most popular etc. Maybe then we could have a talk from someone about the contents of the book so that a discussion has formed. Just a little idea.
I would be happy to get that pages going on the Wiki to start with and then people can add books or take them off if they leave us for other things etc.
Tracy x
-----Original Message----- From: main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 20 February 2007 09:09 To: ALUG Subject: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:33:36AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote:
Hey fellas,
Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old friends.)
Yes, same here.
Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing.
That sounds like an ideal wiki sort of thing.
I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could
make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given them).
I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd want to keep but would be very happy to lend.
Wayne Stallwood wrote:
The ALUG library is held in Bury St Edmunds by me, so is even more local to the iPLUG than the majority of ALUG. I am sure if you really are going to operate as an extension of ALUG then none of the ALUG members will object to sharing this resource.
I will be moving to a smaller home soon so there are quite a few Linux related books I would like to donate to the library. What is the best way to do this? I am located near Cromer.
Ian
there are quite a few Linux related books I would like to donate to the library. What is the best way to do this?
Take them to a kitmeet.
And, working backwards... organise a kitmeet. Or prod people who can organise a kitmeet to do so. It's been a long time.
I'd volunteer to host one in Belstead but there's no 'net or even phoneline. UEA, possibly?
Hi, all.
Yep, I think last night was very successful - we had eleven attendees that covered a wide variety of experience and OSs, ranging from the long-term, hardcore Slackware, Gentoo, Debian users down to us mere mortals running (K)ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE, Knoppix etc.
There was a lot of enthusiasm from around the table, and I think we've discussed a lot of things we'd like to try out incl. whether an additional web forum would take off, kit meet, bio/skills pages for members, "Ask iPlug" support question page, interactions with other LUGs/Groups, monthly challenges.
The important thing to remember is that nothing is "off the table". Even last night, some people thought some things would work, others disagreed - but once we have a flexible infrastructure up and running, I hope we'll be able to trial these ideas between meets and then discuss them to see whether they're working out or whether the trial should be extended or gracefully retired.
That said, the consensus last night seemed to me that a flexible wiki was a priority for us and, therefore, I'm going to go ahead and set that up before the next meet under the iPlug name (a branch of ALUG). I hope this doesn't come across as a an attempt to splinter the ALUG community, but I truly don't want to pile on pressure and deadlines to a community which, I'm sure, has been doing perfectly well on its own so far ... ;)
If ALUG moves towards the same open model at any point in the future, we can look at bringing iPlug back into the fold. That said, if it doesn't work out for us - we always have the option of falling back to the slightly more regulated ALUG-approach. Best of both worlds!
I hope this is the start of something which benefits all of ALUG - there's plenty of opportunity for collaboration across East Anglia and with regular meets in Norfolk and Suffolk, with any luck the numbers can only continue to grow!
Peter.
samwise samwise@bagshot-row.org wrote: [...]
That said, the consensus last night seemed to me that a flexible wiki was a priority for us and, therefore, I'm going to go ahead and set that up before the next meet under the iPlug name (a branch of ALUG). I hope this doesn't come across as a an attempt to splinter the ALUG community, but I truly don't want to pile on pressure and deadlines to a community which, I'm sure, has been doing perfectly well on its own so far ... ;)
Yes, I feel it comes across as an attempt to splinter the ALUG.
Why not use the flexible wiki at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ ? It's only 'not open' because there's been some low-maintenance efforts to block spammers. If you want to replace the WikiEngine, change the anti-spam and revamp the content, I'm sure many people would welcome that. The webmasters could either give you ssh, ftp or a redirect. I tried to replace it in the past, but lack of familiarity with modern wikis and a worker going silent mid-change meant it never happened.
If ALUG moves towards the same open model at any point in the future,
Huh? How is ALUG not open? Have the cabal suddenly moved in and locked it down in the few months since I left? I doubt it.
All you have to do is pick a job and start doing it yourselves. You don't have to "pile on pressure and deadlines" to anyone.
I suggest starting by either editing the pages with the "Edit Page" links or getting website access of a type you like from either: David Reynolds Sionide and if they don't move: Jonathan McDowell Me (maybe) should still also have access and can add access, while: Darren Casey Jonathan McDowell Martyn Drake UKLUGS (Andy Smith?) control the web hosting and domains IIRC. I'm sure one of those will have time to open the door to you.
I think iPlug seems to have a bad case of 'Not Invented Here' and is unwilling to cooperate with its neighbours. I feel it's particularly stupid to split an existing web site when lugmasters have been looking at merging/co-hosting dynamic sites, to ease maintenance: there just aren't enough webmaster-hours to go round. If iPlug has spare webmaster-hours, please share them!
Regards,
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 02:23:00PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
UKLUGS (Andy Smith?) control the web hosting and domains IIRC. I'm sure one of those will have time to open the door to you.
No, LUG.org.uk (UKLUGS) don't do any hosting for Anglia LUG(s).
Cheers, Al.
Alan Pope alan@popey.com wrote:
UKLUGS (Andy Smith?) control the web hosting and domains IIRC. [...]
No, LUG.org.uk (UKLUGS) don't do any hosting for Anglia LUG(s).
But it does one of the *domains* http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/
samwise samwise@bagshot-row.org wrote:
Why not use the flexible wiki at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ ?
One simple reason. I had no idea it existed.
Ever read http://www.alug.org.uk/ ?
There are seemingly only four entries, which don't look as if they've been contributed by your common-or-garden user.
Argh! It seems that an evil spammer has unlinked most of the pages and there's some permission problem with editing. There are more pages, but I can't relink. I'll list them at the end of this mail.
There's also no mention of it on the submissions page [http://www.alug.org.uk/background/submissions.html],
but it is mentioned on the front page. Pobody's nerfect.
which expresses the preferences that page changes should be discussed with the page author and that any new pages would be better discussed on the list ... I don't think it's unfair to say that the current site "appears" to be static - it's filled with references to 3 year old events - and isn't atm very "inviting" for new content.
IIRC, the site is also littered with comments like "We really need people to help keep the web site up to date." How do you make it inviting? There's a simple web editing interface at the moment, which seems better than things like the special mvs MediaWiki client to me, but each to their own. If it doesn't bite me, I won't bite it.
However, looking at it constructively, there are a number of features which I can't seem to find. To take one example at random, one of the ideas discussed last night was a support questions page, where a user can ask a question and get answers recorded by other members.
http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/contrib/?TipsTricksAndWorkarounds
We discussed a few questions, including one which we really need to see screenshots of, in order to resolve. Is there a way I can easily upload an image over HTTP on this contrib page? That feature might also be handy to use Photos to record meets.
Probably not. It's a bit old. That's why there have been N update attempts. (IMO, it would be nice if bpgallery could be used for photos, supporting an ALUG member's software, but I don't know if it has/can have suitable features.)
[...] After a couple of fruitful mails, on and off-list, I'm afraid I haven't heard anything back from David, as I understood it one half of the two webmasters, when I asked some specific questions about the possibilities of something like a MediaWiki installation ...
(I thought you were posting about a wiki, not a MediaWiki...)
that included an offer for assistance to help with building such a site, and also questions about how we might be able to access the servers remotely from Suffolk, incl. questions about access as root ...
Remote access is by ssh or ftp, as far as I know. Why do you want root on the webserver? It's on shared hosting donated by php4hosting.co.uk as far as I can recall, so no root there yet.
Anyway, if someone goes silent, please bring it back to the list. It'll either shame them into action, or build support for working around them or adding to them. (This applies to anyone IMO.)
My offer to assist with the ALUG website still stands, if ALUG as a whole wishes to move in this direction.
My usual rule of thumb is "he who does wins" - there's not really any good way to figure out what "ALUG as a whole" wishes before you start, so I suggest not waiting for that. JFDI.
At the end of the day, I didn't get any firm interest from anyone with the root passwords in my last thread that this was something that you intended to do in the very immediate future.
I don't think the people with the root passwords are near Ipswich, so maybe they weren't reading a thread titled "Ipswich LUG"?
I don't feel it's my place to demand access to a server in someone else's control when I'm the new kid on the block, which is how we reach the alternative of running a separate site. If you can organise a discussion with the relevant ALUG server admins to address the kind of features we're talking about here (IMHO, atm essentially a more flexible MediaWiki instance) sometime soon, I'd be happy to participate.
What is needed to bring a MediaWiki up? Its accessibility- and related problems means that I've not been able to recommend it anywhere yet.
Options seem to be: 1. add it to the current static site; 2. add media.alug.org.uk to DNS and point it at another server; 3. something else.
In fact, I'll even make a rare trip to Norwich, if someone can organise a discussion of the topic.
David? Sionide?
Last I knew, there were wiki pages called: [AddingPages] [AlugFaq] [AlugMeetings] [April 21st.] [April 27th.] [ATI on Debian] [AudioGalaxySatellite] [BitTorrent] [BroadbandVenues] [ClientsForIm] [ClientsForIrc] [ComparisonInEastAnglia] [ConvertSpacesToTabs] [DeadPage] [DemosOfferedDemosWanted] [DesktopEnvironments] [DiskUsage] [DownloaderForx] [DownloadManagers] [EditText] [Elmswell] [Elmswell for April 21st.] [Elmswell for March 24th.] [emacs] [EmacsMailClients] [FileDownloaders] [FileSharing] [FindPage] [FrontPage] [FrozenBubble] [GaimIm] [GameSoftware] [GEdit] [Gftp] [GoodStyle] [GtkGnutella] [HelpRequired] [HowToUseWiki] [InternetSoftware] [ItouchKeys] [July 14th] [June 9th] [KingsLynn] [LibraryBooklist] [LinuxInstallDay] [LinuxInstallDay2002] [LinuxShow] [MailClients] [May 18th.] [May 19th] [MeetingReports] [MeetingTransport] [MeetingVenues] [MembersDirectory] [MoreAboutMechanics] [MostPopular] [nano] [NextMeetingsSummary] [NorthLynn] [NvidiaOnDebian] [NvidiaOnMandrake] [OfficeSoftware] [OtherAlugs] [PhpWiki] [PhpWikiAdministration] [PlanetAlug] [ProgrammingTools] [public Wireless Access Points in Norwich] [Quake] [Quake2] [QuakeForge] [quick test] [Read LSH Review] [RecentChanges] [RecentVisitors] [ReleaseNotes] [SandBox] [SiteSuggestion] [SoftwareDirectory] [SteveWainstead] [StuartParker] [SylpheedReview] [SyndicationTools] [TestPage] [Text Editors] [TextFormattingRules] [TipsTricksAndWorkarounds] [UsbCdWriter] [vi] [WabiSabi] [WebBrowsers] [WikiWikiWeb] [Wireless]
I hope some of those can be salvaged!
Hope that helps,
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:58 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
However, looking at it constructively, there are a number of features which I can't seem to find. To take one example at random, one of the ideas discussed last night was a support questions page, where a user can ask a question and get answers recorded by other members.
http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/contrib/?TipsTricksAndWorkarounds
For some reason I have never managed to access the WIKI.
ACCESS DENIED
You have been blocked from accessing this site due to the security settings in place
If you feel this in error please contact the mailing list for assistance.
This is only a temporary measure until stricter posting rules are put in place.
Not sure what filters are in place, or what basis I'm blocked. (The /29 of IP address space this e-mail comes from has been assigned to me for longer than ALUG has had the Wiki!)
I've never really been too active in ALUG (I live in Woodbridge, and it's too much of a trek). But my tuppence worth is that keep unified with ALUG (perhaps ipswich.alug.org.uk, norwich.alug.org.uk could be arranged to pint (or even point) to a different starting page on a shared wiki).
Been from Woodbridge I'm more likely to care about The Milestone over the Reindeer- but if it comes to a technical issue then I don't care about geography.
Adam "work has been hectic of late so I predicted in advance the probability of me finishing work in time to get to the Milestone yesterday was a tiny fraction above 0" Allen.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 01:16:50AM +0000, Mr. Adam ALLEN wrote:
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 00:58 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
However, looking at it constructively, there are a number of features which I can't seem to find. To take one example at random, one of the ideas discussed last night was a support questions page, where a user can ask a question and get answers recorded by other members.
http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/contrib/?TipsTricksAndWorkarounds
For some reason I have never managed to access the WIKI.
ACCESS DENIED You have been blocked from accessing this site due to the security settings in place If you feel this in error please contact the mailing list for assistance. This is only a temporary measure until stricter posting rules are put in place.Not sure what filters are in place, or what basis I'm blocked. (The /29 of IP address space this e-mail comes from has been assigned to me for longer than ALUG has had the Wiki!)
I too am blocked, and suspect this is due to the wiki doing some RDNS lookups? MJ, did you incorporate those patches from the hantslug AbuseMod wiki?
Cheers, Al.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2007 at 12:58:06AM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Alan Pope alan@popey.com wrote:
UKLUGS (Andy Smith?) control the web hosting and domains IIRC. [...]
No, LUG.org.uk (UKLUGS) don't do any hosting for Anglia LUG(s).
But it does one of the *domains* http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/
Of course, I didn't/don't dispute that :)
Just answering the question.
Cheers, Al.
Why not use the flexible wiki at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ ?
One simple reason. I had no idea it existed.
Ever read http://www.alug.org.uk/ ?
MJ,
I'm not continuing a non-constructive thread which is verging on pointless bickering, so this is my last word on the subject.
The release of the Phpwiki you refer to which - intentionally or not - has only four entries, has just turned SIX years old, this month. It's no surprise at all that it's spammed to oblivion and is not being used effectively. It seems you acknowledge it's total lack of features and how it's not even possible to upload a screenshot or a photo, let alone anything more complex, so I don't quite understand why you're so resistant to a request to bring it up to date. Wikis have come a long, long way since Xmas 2000 (they're no longer called WikiWikiWebs for a start!) and they're used effectively by a LOT of the community groups out there. Thae same clearly cannot be said for the current "Contrib" section of the ALUG site.
Suffice to say, I've had an email off-list which sounds hopeful that we'll be able to get something useful to work with, in the not-too-distant future.
Given this is our main requirement at the moment, I have no problems benching an Ipswich-specific brand idea, when that arrives.
Cheers,
Peter.
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