Hi Folks,
Inspired by a TYV report this evening on the Govt's new "Neighbourhood Statistics" website (aka "NeSS"), I just gave it a try:
http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk
Can any of you get it to work with a browser supported by Linux?
Even with popups enabled for this site, my Firefox doesn't cut it. Nor Mozilla.
Thanks, and all best wishes, Ted.
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On 11 May 2006, at 19:15, (Ted Harding) wrote:
Just tried to access it with Safari and Camino on the Mac. The site complained that it wasn't fully compatible with both browsers and given a postcode it barfed on both...
John
On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 20:02 +0100, John Heaton wrote:
Just tried to access it with Safari and Camino on the Mac. The site complained that it wasn't fully compatible with both browsers and given a postcode it barfed on both...
Complains that popups are being blocked on Firefox 1.5 (tried on both Ubuntu and OSX) but at least the core functionality seems to be there, postcode search works and info tabs are there. Not sure what functionality I am missing by the popups not working because I haven't felt brave enough this morning to attach IE to a live Internet connection.
On Thu, 11 May 2006, John Heaton wrote:
On 11 May 2006, at 19:15, (Ted Harding) wrote:
Just tried to access it with Safari and Camino on the Mac. The site complained that it wasn't fully compatible with both browsers and given a postcode it barfed on both...
Further to earlier replies, the postcode search works in Mozilla 1.7.12.
With only a slight topic shift, there's something that's been puzzling me for a while: Debian and Fedora (and presumably other distros too) have separate "Mozilla" and "Firefox" packages. Are these part of the same development tree, or have they forked? In the former case, how does one compare their version numbers? In the latter case, what are the relative advantages of each package?
Thanks very much.
(Ted Harding) wrote:
Hi Folks,
Inspired by a TYV report this evening on the Govt's new "Neighbourhood Statistics" website (aka "NeSS"), I just gave it a try:
http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk
Can any of you get it to work with a browser supported by Linux?
Even with popups enabled for this site, my Firefox doesn't cut it. Nor Mozilla.
Works OK for me with Mozilla 1.7.13
Ian
(Ted Harding) wrote:
Hi Folks,
Inspired by a TYV report this evening on the Govt's new "Neighbourhood Statistics" website (aka "NeSS"), I just gave it a try:
http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk
Can any of you get it to work with a browser supported by Linux?
Even with popups enabled for this site, my Firefox doesn't cut it. Nor Mozilla.
Firefox 1.5 on SuSE 10 works fine for me.
They've obviously given some thought to standards as the "Thematic map" tab says
"To view this map, most users will require a special piece of software, compatible with the emerging SVG graphic format. We recommend the free SVG Viewer by Adobe, available for Windows, Mac and other operating systems.
Users of Windows NT, 2000 or XP may require the assistance of their systems administrators to install Adobe SVG Viewer. Users of Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) for the Mac will not be able to access this interactive map, due to issues with IE itself.
SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) is a relatively new data format, which combines the benefits of Flash with the flexibility of XML. SVG is recommended as a 'Web standard' by the World Wide Web Consortium. "
Iain
___/ On Fri 12 May 2006 12:27:05 BST, [ Iain Roberts ] wrote : ___
(Ted Harding) wrote:
Hi Folks,
Inspired by a TYV report this evening on the Govt's new "Neighbourhood Statistics" website (aka "NeSS"), I just gave it a try:
http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk
Can any of you get it to work with a browser supported by Linux?
Even with popups enabled for this site, my Firefox doesn't cut it. Nor Mozilla.
Coincidentally, the very same topic was raised in a couple of newsgroups last night:
http://message-id.net/ecv662hel8kppbvuhl1i744tihge3md8fh@news.markshouse.net
It generated a relatively extensive discussion (browse follow-ups).
Firefox 1.5 on SuSE 10 works fine for me.
Works fine in Firefox 1, but warns me that I need to enable JS (which I will not *smile*).
They've obviously given some thought to standards as the "Thematic map" tab says
"To view this map, most users will require a special piece of software, compatible with the emerging SVG graphic format. We recommend the free SVG Viewer by Adobe, available for Windows, Mac and other operating systems.
Users of Windows NT, 2000 or XP may require the assistance of their systems administrators to install Adobe SVG Viewer. Users of Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) for the Mac will not be able to access this interactive map, due to issues with IE itself.
SVG (Scalable Vector Graphic) is a relatively new data format, which combines the benefits of Flash with the flexibility of XML. SVG is recommended as a 'Web standard' by the World Wide Web Consortium.
That site could be perceived as pathetic. See the thread above. It's nowhere near standards-compliant.
Best wishes,
Roy
Roy Schestowitz wrote:
___/ On Fri 12 May 2006 12:27:05 BST, [ Iain Roberts ] wrote : ___
(Ted Harding) wrote:
Hi Folks,
Inspired by a TYV report this evening on the Govt's new "Neighbourhood Statistics" website (aka "NeSS"), I just gave it a try:
http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk
[...]
Coincidentally, the very same topic was raised in a couple of newsgroups last night:
http://message-id.net/ecv662hel8kppbvuhl1i744tihge3md8fh@news.markshouse.net
It generated a relatively extensive discussion (browse follow-ups). [...]
That site could be perceived as pathetic. See the thread above. It's nowhere near standards-compliant.
Best wishes,
Roy
My attempt at feedback to the address in the "contact us" follows. They promise to acknowledge within 2 working days and reply within 10...
"Hi,
I must admit to some disappointment with the implementation of a creditable idea...
Your site (http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk) does not conform to W3C recommendations for HTML markup, which as a consequence means that it becomes inaccessible (to a greater or lesser extent) to various browsers and other programs that expect standards-compliant content. (you can include various disability accessibility tools amongst these). This is at the core of your problems with Firefox, Safari and others.
There is little excuse for this on a publicly-funded website designed for that public to use. The tools to achieve this are trivially available (see http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.neighbourhood.statistics... for an assessment of your header page), as are relevant guidance notes (eg: http://www.w3.org/WAI/Resources/#gl). In my ignorance, I would have imagined that there would be existing policy to that end?
A small annoyance to finish on: the site advises the enabling of "popups", since it is designed to make full use of those capabilities. Why is that an annoyance? Most users who have browsed for any length of time have specifically installed popup-blockers (eg: Google toolbar, Firefox, Internet Explorer SP2, etc) to prevent this annoying behaviour. Whilst novel when encountered for the first time, overuse has caused it to be regarded as antisocial, and a vector for undesirable elements. Please see http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/web/sp2_popupblocker.mspx and http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/tips/ST04-016.html for references, and do not expect ordinary users to differentiate between allowing popups for a single site/visit and allowing them globally.
Regards, "
Did I leave anything out? :-)
Mike
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