Hi folks, So, there we have it - not a great deal of enthusiasm for Suse! Perhaps I should have gone for the Ubuntu 'free' distro! I must say that the 'desktop' is nice, but I can't get to grips with 'home.' From 'my computer' 'home shows a set of files, but from the task bar 'home' brings up a different menu with the same files plus my personal folder. Having copied some image files into a folder, Konqueror shows a set of 'thumbs' of which some are images and some are icons. having set up associations so that clicking a thumb in Konq opens and loads the image into Gimp works with first image selected, but to load the second, Gimp has to be closed and re-opened by clicking second image. Then there are images that bring up error messages that the resolution is not supported! What's that all about? And when Gimp fires up, only one of the two tool panels load. Gimp, excellent as it is as 'free' image editor would not make me give up Photoshop, and Scribus I can't install so I don't know if I can live without QuarkXPress. Obviously I have a lot to learn, the migration from 'doze is not easy - perhaps the creators of O/S like Suse et al should make the transition from one to 'tother easier, and let users install goodies on a simple 'install' file. TMP folder; should this be treat like a 'doze 'temp' folder and cleaned out on occasions? Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 02/12/2005
On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 11:26 +0000, Bob Dove wrote:
So, there we have it - not a great deal of enthusiasm for Suse! Perhaps I should have gone for the Ubuntu 'free' distro! I must say that the 'desktop' is nice, but I can't get to grips with 'home.' From 'my computer' 'home shows a set of files, but from the task bar 'home' brings up a different menu with the same files plus my personal folder.
Strange, what should happen is that going to home from "my computer" shoud take you to the home directory within which there will be a directory for each user on the system. Choosing home from a save as dialogue box or from the task bar should take you straight to (depending on which user you are logged on as) your user directory within home. The root user generally has it's home directory in a different place to the regular users (not that you should ever be logging into a graphical interface as root) usually this is /root rather than /home/root
Hi folks,
So, there we have it - not a great deal of enthusiasm for Suse!
You are starting to sound like a "stuck record" Bob. If you extensive testing has shown that SuSE really doesn't suit your needs then try another distro, that's one of the beauties of Linux, you aren't stuck with the choices made by one set of developers. But since you seem to expect a zero learning curve when moving to a new desktop I fear you're never going to be satisfied unless it behaves exactly as you expect. Peter.
On Sunday 04 December 2005 11:26, Bob Dove wrote:
Hi folks,
So, there we have it - not a great deal of enthusiasm for Suse! Perhaps I should have gone for the Ubuntu 'free' distro! I must say that the 'desktop' is nice, but I can't get to grips with 'home.' From 'my computer' 'home shows a set of files, but from the task bar 'home' brings up a different menu with the same files plus my personal folder.
The /home directory is different to *your* home directory (ie /home/bob). Your home folder (easily reached by typing ~ in the address bar) is one of those contained within the /home directory. It could sound crazy, I've never thought about it - but the day you rely on it and benefit from the well-organised separation of userdata will change all that :D. Anyway - I'd eschew windowsisms - they'll only stand in your way using a different system. I'd delete that "My Computer" icon, or move it to your home folder if you're not sure. Better still, rename it to something more appropriate like system. Imagine how poorly led we'd be if somebody decided to plonk a "My Computer" icon on a mac with an arbitrary destination.
Having copied some image files into a folder, Konqueror shows a set of 'thumbs' of which some are images and some are icons.
Hey, is this because they're different file types? if so, going into Control Center>Desktop>Behaviour>File Icons and switching on icon previews for the appropriate file types is easily done :) Failing that you may not have support installed for the appropriate file types... unlikely though :)
having set up associations so that clicking a thumb in Konq opens and loads the image into Gimp works with first image selected, but to load the second, Gimp has to be closed and re-opened by clicking second image.
Do you mean it opens a new instance for each picture? If so... When you set up the file association, you should ensure that you use the gimp entry from the menu, and don't just type in or browse to the app. Just a thought, because I think this might explain this behaviour.. In any case, the files in question should already have a Gimp option, and if the files are opened with the suseconfig-created menu option ie "gimp-remote-2.2 %U" or whatever your version is, they'll open in the same gimp instance. What happens when you try Open with>Other and enter gimp-remote-<yourversionnumber> in the box?
Then there are images that bring up error messages that the resolution is not supported! What's that all about?
What's the exact error message? (and what images and what resolutions, heh) If you could mail me one of said images privately, along with what version of gimp you're using - two heads and all that :)
And when Gimp fires up, only one of the two tool panels load. Gimp, excellent as it is as 'free' image editor would not make me give up Photoshop,
Myeah, it's not a rival for photoshop yet, but then photoshop is admittedly a very, VERY good piece of commercial software, and worth the money it costs (which you can't say about some commercial software). When the GIMP catches up with the features that ps has now, which it will one day, it will be an amazing piece of software to have open source, and right now for people who just want what I'd call "light photoshopping" - the layered editing and the filters and none of the colour management etc, be they end users or professionals who're just Saving For Web* it does the job for a slightly better price :)
and Scribus I can't install so I don't know if I can live without QuarkXPress.
Personally, I want to dissuade you from getting your hopes up on that score right now. Have low expectations and you might be pleased.
Obviously I have a lot to learn, the migration from 'doze is not easy - perhaps the creators of O/S like Suse et al should make the transition from one to 'tother easier, and let users install goodies on a simple 'install' file.
A friend and I were debating something like this the other day. I think that whilst APT is very nearly there in terms of getting package management right, the time may be right to implement drag and drop installation on a linux distro just to see how it flies. By that I mean from the end user's point of view, as well as the goodness of synaptic, it would be nice if they could download the "image" of the application as a single file and either: 1) drag it onto their desktop to install it automagically or 2) choose where they want to install the app and drop the whole thing there - with the resulting folder being clickable to start the application etc. This has its negative points and its positive points, especially in terms of dependencies and stuff, and raises more interesting infrastructure questions (userspace installations? static linking? etcetera?) than you can shake a stick at, but it's one hell of an easy way for a user to install stuff.
TMP folder; should this be treat like a 'doze 'temp' folder and cleaned out on occasions?
Generally speaking, you can ignore it. Apps should generally be graceful about this. Sometimes there'll be good reasons to blow stuff out of there, just not in that way. Gruntbuggly, Ten *I'd like to see multi-pane previews and stuff implemented in the GIMP because let's face it, an awful lot of photoshop icons are clicked on this planet to save for web! :)
On Monday 05 December 2005 13:19, Ten wrote:
A friend and I were debating something like this the other day. I think that whilst APT is very nearly there in terms of getting package management right, the time may be right to implement drag and drop installation on a linux distro just to see how it flies.
Just to be picky here... APT is, in my book, something completely different to apt - The former being an acronym for machine tool programming and the latter, a package management system. See http://www.austinnc.com/iapt.html for a brief overview of APT. As for drag'n'drop package installation, kpackage handles the task reasonably well, and having dpkg/apt as a backend, dependencies are automatically resolved. That said, I'm a bit of a command line junkie, so tend to use apt-get or dpkg directly ;) Regards, Paul. -- From the Klingon book of C: Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' - they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
On Monday 05 December 2005 13:35, Paul wrote:
On Monday 05 December 2005 13:19, Ten wrote:
A friend and I were debating something like this the other day. I think that whilst APT is very nearly there in terms of getting package management right, the time may be right to implement drag and drop installation on a linux distro just to see how it flies.
Just to be picky here... APT is, in my book, something completely different to apt - The former being an acronym for machine tool programming and the latter, a package management system. See http://www.austinnc.com/iapt.html for a brief overview of APT.
Since the perception of the two identical acronyms is subjective, I wouldn't call it picky, just informative. Always good to have new information, thanks.
As for drag'n'drop package installation, kpackage handles the task reasonably well, and having dpkg/apt as a backend, dependencies are automatically resolved. That said, I'm a bit of a command line junkie, so tend to use apt-get or dpkg directly ;)
Regards, Paul.
Specifically, I was referring to drag 'n' drop installation in a similar vein to Apple Computer's idea of it - a very non-techie end-user orientated way of doing things, it may seem, but it has many possibilities to explore. Personally I prefer APT to any other kind of package management infrastructure, and look forward to apt-build becoming a benchmark for platform-independent package management when we all have huge pipes and hoverboards and stuff, but the way I see it, if you're going to bother having a GUI, it's worth having one that's been executed with style and competence. It's no use going the way they've gone "over there" and settling for extremely limited GUIs. Anyway, I am nose-diving out of the topicsphere here, so I shall pull up. :) Halfrunt, ten
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 13:19 +0000, Ten wrote:
When the GIMP catches up with the features that ps has now, which it will one day, it will be an amazing piece of software to have open source, and right now for people who just want what I'd call "light photoshopping" - the layered editing and the filters and none of the colour management etc, be they end users or professionals who're just Saving For Web* it does the job for a slightly better price :)
Don't forget decent support for pro grade Drawing tablets. Using a decent Wacom on Photoshop is a dream...getting anything above the basic (where is the pen) functionality is a pain in GIMP. Anyone using Photoshop without a Wacom in a professional capacity needs to have a "chat" with their purchasing department.
By that I mean from the end user's point of view, as well as the goodness of synaptic, it would be nice if they could download the "image" of the application as a single file and either:
1) drag it onto their desktop to install it automagically or 2) choose where they want to install the app and drop the whole thing there - with the resulting folder being clickable to start the application etc.
I have recently acquired a 2nd hand Powerbook running OSX for my girlfriend and was wondering how much work it would be to get that ease of installation on a Linux box....Like with OSX there are always going to be some non userspace things that cannot be installed in this manner but why can't something be implemented that allows drag and drop of applications.
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