On Tuesday 28 June 2005 21:30, Adam Bower wrote:

On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:45:13PM +0100, Andy Trevor wrote:

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We are working on a solution that use Suns Sunray terminals and the Sunray server software only runs on a 2.4 kernel so we need to look at this as an option. The only other route open is to go fully Solaris 10 (which throws up a stack of other issues)

I'd be half tempted to suggest looking at running Debian as it is so close to Ubuntu in so many ways and using it with a 2.4 kernel. Anyhow, why does the sunray stuff *need* a 2.4 kernel? it sounds evil :)

Evil is not fair(a pain yes). It is funky stuff and Sunrays are very cool

If you really needed something from Ubuntu that isn't in Debian it really shouldn't be much trouble to build your own packages from the Ubuntu sources (maybe).

I think the Debian option is worth looking at.

Umm, sorry that doesn't answer the original question btw, I guess it would work but some funky Ubuntu stuff may stop working. Best advice I can give would be to install Ubuntu and try it with a 2.4 kernel and see what happens.

I will fire it up and test it. I was just wondering if anyone new of anything obvious that would bite me somewhere painful :) Thanks

Adam

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On Tuesday 28 June 2005 21:50, Wayne Stallwood wrote:

On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 20:45 +0100, Andy Trevor wrote:

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Guys

quick question about kernels in Ubuntu.

Can anyone see any major issues with running Ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel ?

I am sure I saw some 2.4.27 packages in Synaptic the other day, I think only the source packages are there, but they have the Debian patches applied so would probably be best fit.

I shall have a look once I get an Ubuntu system online

But personally I am going to side with Adam here, if you are going to mess with Ubuntu to that extent then you may as well use Debian.

I think we will test both Thanks

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On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:43 +0100, Brett Parker wrote:

Me too, Ubuntu is all well and good for a desktop system, but if you're going to start running evil non-free software, it's easier if you've got the (slightly) fuller archive that is available from The Real Thing (tm). Personally, I'm still running debian and have no need to switch to a desktop centered distribution, flexibility is more important to me.

A fair point I was considering giving Debian a go and probably will on some of that evil non free software I keep running (VMWare) :-) There isn't much of the non-free archive I need really, after a struggle I managed to get some sort of functional Java Runtime Environment which I needed. I could do with flash for a couple of sites I visit (Flash in Konqueror on SuSE 64bit worked somehow). Skype I got around by using the static version. The main 64bit issues I have are a non functioning mplayer (although I have xine working now) and borked OpenOffice. Also it seems that some of the packages for AMD64 have annoying configuration bugs (SSHd for example was configured to use priv separation but didn't create the ssh user upon installation and therefore refused to start) That didn't happen on the i386 Ubuntu machine at work. Also somehow the 32bit flash plugin for Mozilla appears on the 64bit archive, but if you install it Moz will die anytime you visit a site with flash content.

On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 09:09 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:

Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist@digimatic.plus.com> wrote:

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There isn't much of the non-free archive I need really, after a struggle I managed to get some sort of functional Java Runtime Environment which I needed. I could do with flash for a couple of sites I visit (Flash in Konqueror on SuSE 64bit worked somehow). Skype I got around by using the static version.

Java on Debian? There are 5 JVMs in main now: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00002.html

Blackdown was the only way I could get Java to work on my 64bit machine. There are several pages of conflicting advice on the Ubuntu Wiki but the only one that worked for me was the manual installation using Blackdown.

Flash is more of a problem: http://www.affs.org.uk/~alex/HowDoWeReplaceFlash

Skype? Well, pretty much any SIP or IAX client works...

I would like to use an open source client, but I have lots of friends (and even know of some whole companies) that are using Skype. They haven't all got Skype in numbers yet and it would cost me to call them from another VoIP service anyway. As far as I know I can't attach any other client to the Skype service...can I ?

Wayne Stallwood wrote:

The main 64bit issues I have are a non functioning mplayer (although I have xine working now) and borked OpenOffice.

What problems are you having with each of them? On my 'puter Xine plays DVDs OK, but DivX and VCD causes it to crash (possibly other formats too, I haven't tried), whereas MPlayer plays them fine. Apart from the m4a problem I mentioned MPlayer *seems* to work OK (apart from a error message about fonts which I haven't gotten round to investigating yet, since I only installed it yesterday evening) beb