Hi, I would like to try settings up ipv6 at home in preperation for the global meltdown when we run out of ipv4 addresses. I currently have an internet connection with Virgin Media who I don't believe do native ipv6. I therefore would like to set up a tunnel to a provider. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for particular providers (brokers?), software or general tips (or specific tips relating to Virgin Media). I have several PCs (Windows and Linux) on a LAN which then goes through a router that doesn't have ipv6 capability. One of the linux machines on the LAN is a server that's on 24/7 so I was thinking of using that to do the tunnelling. I don't have a static IP on the router but it hardly ever changes (I think it's only changed when I've unplugged the router for more than a few hours). Suggestions? JD
On 22 Jan 10:49, Jon Dye wrote:
Hi,
I would like to try settings up ipv6 at home in preperation for the global meltdown when we run out of ipv4 addresses. I currently have an internet connection with Virgin Media who I don't believe do native ipv6. I therefore would like to set up a tunnel to a provider. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for particular providers (brokers?), software or general tips (or specific tips relating to Virgin Media).
I have several PCs (Windows and Linux) on a LAN which then goes through a router that doesn't have ipv6 capability. One of the linux machines on the LAN is a server that's on 24/7 so I was thinking of using that to do the tunnelling. I don't have a static IP on the router but it hardly ever changes (I think it's only changed when I've unplugged the router for more than a few hours).
Personally, I have a vm sitting outside the network with a fixed IP that does the ipv6 tunnelling outside, my laptop is then connected to it via tinc, which does the rest for me... I use Hurricane Electric's free ipv6 tunnel brokering, which seems stable and just works (tm). http://tunnelbroker.net/ I have a /64 and /48 delegation from them, the /64 is more or less just use for the link points between my vm and them, and the /48 is being split in to further /64 address spaces, though I should really create a /80 and advertise it on our home network (as the flatmates config for a different tunnel provider is *really* not working, and managing to tell me to route through a link local address that I can't even ping... *sigh*!) Cheers, -- Brett Parker
2010/1/22 Brett Parker <iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk>:
Personally, I have a vm sitting outside the network with a fixed IP that does the ipv6 tunnelling outside, my laptop is then connected to it via tinc, which does the rest for me... I use Hurricane Electric's free ipv6 tunnel brokering, which seems stable and just works (tm). http://tunnelbroker.net/
Anyone else using any different providers or have any recommendations for or against?
I have a /64 and /48 delegation from them, the /64 is more or less just use for the link points between my vm and them, and the /48 is being split in to further /64 address spaces, though I should really create a /80 and advertise it on our home network (as the flatmates config for a different tunnel provider is *really* not working, and managing to tell me to route through a link local address that I can't even ping... *sigh*!)
What software do you use above the stuff that's in the kernel? What would you use to do the advertising and tunnel setup? JD
Jon Dye wrote:
Anyone else using any different providers or have any recommendations for or against?
Any entanet reseller should be able to offer it, however some aren't interested and most don't even mention/know it's available. You can however contact a dedicated support team for ipv6 at entanet and get it turned on with or without the help of the reseller. That said the feedback I have had from the two people I know have tried ipv6 on enta hasn't been particularly positive. One had an ongoing routing issue which I think got eventually resolved but took time and the other had it working for a bit and then ran into problems and was told that as it's officially a trial service they couldn't guarantee support. Both have mentioned long waits getting a response from the dedicated email address for ipv6 issues and ipv6 related support requests to the general support contacts will generally be left unanswered. So I think that short of the actual provision you are pretty much on your own to debug any issues you may run into. There used to be a great isp called blackcat that did support ipv6...dunno what happened to them though :)
Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist@digimatic.co.uk>
There used to be a great isp called blackcat that did support ipv6...dunno what happened to them though :)
They went the way of all private companies. Sold. That's one reason why I feel it's better to deal with common ownership ("asset-locked") cooperatives if you can - at least if they disappear, it's usually into another cooperative. I'll see if I can nudge The Phone Co-op towards ipv6 when I see their workers this weekend and next, but given the underlying networks are Opal (TalkTalk, pretty much) and BT OpenReach, I suspect we might have equipment problems to overcome. Unless anyone here knows otherwise...? But there are also lots of social problems for them to deal with, including the disconnect law and the broadband tax that some say will price 40,000 homes offline. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 01:01:32AM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist@digimatic.co.uk>
There used to be a great isp called blackcat that did support ipv6...dunno what happened to them though :)
They went the way of all private companies. Sold. That's one reason why I feel it's better to deal with common ownership ("asset-locked") cooperatives if you can - at least if they disappear, it's usually into another cooperative.
So you're better off using a co-op that still hasn't implemented what a private company had over 5 years ago? That has possibly been the daftest explanation trying to speak in favour of using a co-op that I've heard in a very long time. I'm not interested in what their underlying network is or who runs it, that's their choice. The simple fact is that they are re-selling the same services that were available nearly 10 years ago with no innovation or investment by the sounds of things (and to make it worse, surely if they are dealing with reselling a private companies products then you are no better off than dealing with the private company directly?). Anyhow, for current ipv6 connections and an isp with good policies i'd suggest Andrews & Arnold http://aaisp.net.uk/ (and also http://sod.ms/ ) they have a slightly bizarre usage cap but make up for it with ipv6 support and having what i'd regard as a very good position on privacy and censorship and also offer support via irc. I'm currently thinking about migrating my service to them. Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please.
On 30 Jan 08:18, Adam Bower wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 01:01:32AM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist@digimatic.co.uk>
There used to be a great isp called blackcat that did support ipv6...dunno what happened to them though :)
They went the way of all private companies. Sold. That's one reason why I feel it's better to deal with common ownership ("asset-locked") cooperatives if you can - at least if they disappear, it's usually into another cooperative.
So you're better off using a co-op that still hasn't implemented what a private company had over 5 years ago? That has possibly been the daftest explanation trying to speak in favour of using a co-op that I've heard in a very long time.
I believe the point was actually "large, faceless, conglomerates that resell other peoples products are less likely to disappear than small companies that know that they want to do". I really quite miss Black Cat Networks - and Blue Linux... both were very good, services from both have now been shifted to mythic-beasts, who (so far) have been fantastic. (Oh, except the ADSL, that went to Nitrex, it's still with Nitrex, they have a support department that actually works, too). Now, for native ipv6, as Adam said, AAISP is the way forwards, and if your router doesn't do native ipv6, then you can also setup a tunnel to their native ipv6 backbone... Here in our flat we be have a AAISP tunnel and I have a second tunnel setup on various machines so that if I'm on the move I can have working ipv6 too :) Cheers, -- Brett Parker
Adam Bower <adam@thebowery.co.uk> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 01:01:32AM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
They went the way of all private companies. Sold. That's one reason why I feel it's better to deal with common ownership ("asset-locked") cooperatives if you can - at least if they disappear, it's usually into another cooperative. [...] I'm not interested in what their underlying network is or who runs it, that's their choice. The simple fact is that they are re-selling the same services that were available nearly 10 years ago with no innovation or investment by the sounds of things (and to make it worse, surely if they are dealing with reselling a private companies products then you are no better off than dealing with the private company directly?).
No, it's the members' choice collectively, the innovation has included the co-op's campaigning for access to networks, investments have been made in a wide range of things and you are better off dealing with the co-op because our own support staff have as much access as the private companies' support staff and (IMO) are generally more expert and friendly instead of reading from a script, there's some strength in numbers and you can switch backend supplier (say if BT are failing as they sometimes do) without switching away from the co-op. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 01:10:51PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
co-op because our own support staff have as much access as the private companies' support staff and (IMO) are generally more expert and friendly instead of reading from a script, there's some strength in numbers and you can switch backend supplier (say if BT are failing as they sometimes do) without switching away from the co-op.
I would say that I wouldn't use any service provider who reads from a script unless it was my only choice, certainly many providers do not read from a script so the co-op offering is hardly unique. Anyhow, all of the advantages of the co-op (which are mostly limited to technical support it seems) are available from many private companies but they don't offer support for for anything technically innovative unlike many (mostly smaller) broadband providers in the UK. Also, I just took a look at the pricelist for co-op broadband! Youch! and they also traffic shape connections on top of that! I also can't find any documentation on the phone co-op website covering if the connections they provide are censored or not. Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please.
On 25 Jan 13:35, Jon Dye wrote:
2010/1/22 Brett Parker <iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk>:
I have a /64 and /48 delegation from them, the /64 is more or less just use for the link points between my vm and them, and the /48 is being split in to further /64 address spaces, though I should really create a /80 and advertise it on our home network (as the flatmates config for a different tunnel provider is *really* not working, and managing to tell me to route through a link local address that I can't even ping... *sigh*!)
What software do you use above the stuff that's in the kernel? What would you use to do the advertising and tunnel setup?
Beyond what's in the kernel I use "tinc" to setup vpn links between me and my vm, I have radvd advertising a /64 on the vm's virtual interface that the vpn plonks things in to. Other vpn software does exist, I chose tinc because it was small and simple, and "just works" (tm). (In other news, we've got the other lot of ipv6 working now too, so our network topology is getting interesting... well, at least from my laptop and desktop ;) Cheers, -- Brett Parker
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 01:35:50PM +0000, Jon Dye wrote:
Anyone else using any different providers or have any recommendations for or against?
I migrated my connection to Andrews & Arnold yesterday, I got native ipv6 setup using a WRT54 router running openwrt and a Netgear DG834 running as a pppoa bridge with the ppp connection terminating on the WRT54. ipv6 setup wasn't /that/ difficult, a couple of helpful pointers from Brett on irc got radvd working (sort of, need to tidy that up at some point) but I'm not 100% sure why it didn't work to begin with. I've also got to get an ipv6 firewall setup so I've pulled the connection down for now. There is still a bit of learning for me to do as reading about ipv6 is good but not the same as actually getting it working and then understanding what it is doing. Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please.
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