From: Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk
I can just about manage apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but need my hand held quite a bit. So I want to know how to manage my debian installation so that if quinophex vanished I would not be stuck. Also knowing how to build kernels would be fun.
AOL (except the bit about quinophex).
Plus I'd be interested in audio-editing demos. I might be able to persuade two of the local musogeeks to demo what they've set up.
Eli(sabeth)
On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 21:48, Elisabeth wrote:
From: Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk
I can just about manage apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but need my hand held quite a bit. So I want to know how to manage my debian installation so that if quinophex vanished I would not be stuck. Also knowing how to build kernels would be fun.
AOL (except the bit about quinophex).
Further to this, after my experience this evening, I'd like to know common things that go wrong after dist-upgrading, and how to fix them. I don't think I have *ever* managed to dist-upgrade without something getting horribly broken.
/Kirsten, whose machine inexplicably lost its initrd.img and kernel panicked this time
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:09:02PM +0100, Kirsten Naylor wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 21:48, Elisabeth wrote:
From: Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk
I can just about manage apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but need my hand held quite a bit. So I want to know how to manage my debian installation so that if quinophex vanished I would not be stuck. Also knowing how to build kernels would be fun.
AOL (except the bit about quinophex).
Further to this, after my experience this evening, I'd like to know common things that go wrong after dist-upgrading, and how to fix them. I don't think I have *ever* managed to dist-upgrade without something getting horribly broken.
Ah, now, this is covered by the "check what the hell it's going to upgrade before it does" step :) Something like apt-get -s -u dist-upgrade to prepare you for the "next step", of course, for suggesting this step, quinophex shall now once again call me a wuss ;)
/Kirsten, whose machine inexplicably lost its initrd.img and kernel panicked this time
Ahh - that's quinophex's fault, he's got some scripts that deliberately break your machine ;)
Cheers,
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:29:34PM +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 10:09:02PM +0100, Kirsten Naylor wrote:
Ah, now, this is covered by the "check what the hell it's going to upgrade before it does" step :) Something like apt-get -s -u dist-upgrade to prepare you for the "next step", of course, for suggesting this step, quinophex shall now once again call me a wuss ;)
She does this already, I have taught her to be paranoid :)
/Kirsten, whose machine inexplicably lost its initrd.img and kernel panicked this time
Ahh - that's quinophex's fault, he's got some scripts that deliberately break your machine ;)
What happened was that he initrd had disappeared (not sure why, but hey!) anyhow my theory is that as she has a seperate /boot the initrd was deleted some time ago but as nothing gets written to /boot the blocks on disk containing the initrd were still there unmodified. What killed the box was the upgrade to lilo (well, it only killed 1 kernel, why backup kernels are a "good thing" (tm)) as it couldn't find the old initrd anymore but it had been quite happily booting not knowing that the initrd had been gone some time :)
Adam
At 09:48pm on Tue, 29 Jun 2004, Elisabeth Elisabeth wrote:
From: Kirsten Naylor wildduck@wildduck.org.uk
I can just about manage apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but need my hand held quite a bit. So I want to know how to manage my debian installation so that if quinophex vanished I would not be stuck. Also knowing how to build kernels would be fun.
AOL (except the bit about quinophex).
Plus I'd be interested in audio-editing demos. I might be able to persuade two of the local musogeeks to demo what they've set up.
Eli(sabeth)
Has everybody spotted http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?DemosOfferedDemosWanted on the web site?
I've taken the liberty of adding a kit available section so we can see what people are willing to lend for the purposes of demos. Perhaps the rest of you can do the same. If this would be better on a separate page then feel free to move it (after all it is a wiki web :o) ).
I'm happy to do a talk but I'm not sure what I can usefully contribute. My main background is in designing and using relational databases and ditto for web pages so I'm happy to talk about those if anyone's interested.
I keep pondering on the idea of a Debian install workshop that would last a morning or afternoon or even a whole day but I think several of us would need to get together and set that up. Something along the lines of install a base Debian system, upgrade the packages, configure a few things like mail, cron, fstab, etc and perhaps even do a simple kernel build using kpkg (need to decide what is a realistic scope) Would that be of interest? Anyone be willing to help set it up? (sort of mini-install fest).
Current "projects" I'm working on are setting up Apache web server, the subversion source repository package (CVS replacement), and setting up a dial up system to use fetchmail, masqmail, procmail & bogofilter.
These are all WIP but I'd be happy to talk about my experiences sometime in the future if it would be of interest to anyone.
Keith --------- The treasures of the house do not come in through the gate. - Zen saying
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 12:15:48AM +0100, Keith Watson wrote:
Has everybody spotted http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?DemosOfferedDemosWanted on the web site?
Probably not everyone had spotted it yet as it has only existed for less than 24 hours ;) I will add to the kit page when I can work out what I have spare.....
Adam
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