I gather that Debian is going to go down the Wayland route. Ubuntu is following Mir which I gather has given problems to Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
I am just wondering what will happen to the Debian derivative family - seems a break up is likely in 2015-2016. Be interested to hear from those in development what the future possibly holds.
james
On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 10:12:43PM +0000, James Freer wrote:
I gather that Debian is going to go down the Wayland route. Ubuntu is following Mir which I gather has given problems to Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
I am just wondering what will happen to the Debian derivative family
- seems a break up is likely in 2015-2016. Be interested to hear
from those in development what the future possibly holds.
More to the point for me is whether they will support remote display as 'proper' X does. I use this quite a lot still and it will be a real pain if it disappears.
I haven't really been following Wayland but I don't see why this will result in a breakup.
Technology splits like this are laced throughout the history of Linux Distro's, arguably it's the reason Linux has progressed at all.
Go and look at how distros like Mandrake/Mandriva came into existence and why. Not sure I see how this is any different. It's all just part of the natural evolution and selection process of FOSS isn't it ?
On 03/01/15 22:12, James Freer wrote:
I gather that Debian is going to go down the Wayland route. Ubuntu is following Mir which I gather has given problems to Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
I am just wondering what will happen to the Debian derivative family - seems a break up is likely in 2015-2016. Be interested to hear from those in development what the future possibly holds.
james
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
I haven't really been following Wayland but I don't see why this will result in a breakup.
My deductions that's all. Ubuntu with Unity have clearly pushed down the Mir route. However, Debian are looking at the Wayland direction which has caused friction from what I can gather. Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu are unlikely to incorporate Mir. However, Mate is fine with Mir... also less resource hungry than Xubuntu. It doesn't seem Mate is the Gnome 2 replacement somehow. I've been using it since Ubuntu-Mate was released and just trying to put two-and-two together. It would seem logical to call it Mubuntu... but if Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu go by the wayside! I used Xubuntu since 2010 and found it's gone downhill as if devs know the likely future. Ubuntu is dependent on Debian but perhaps they'll have their own repos and be separate.
Technology splits like this are laced throughout the history of Linux Distro's, arguably it's the reason Linux has progressed at all. Go and look at how distros like Mandrake/Mandriva came into existence and why. Not sure I see how this is any different. It's all just part of the natural evolution and selection process of FOSS isn't it ?
True but perhaps even more interesting times are ahead. Next two years are going to be a bit rocky.
james
On 03/01/15 22:12, James Freer wrote:
I gather that Debian is going to go down the Wayland route. Ubuntu is following Mir which I gather has given problems to Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
I am just wondering what will happen to the Debian derivative family - seems a break up is likely in 2015-2016. Be interested to hear from those in development what the future possibly holds.
james
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On 4 January 2015 at 17:16, James Freer jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com wrote:
Ubuntu with Unity have clearly pushed down the Mir route. However, Debian are looking at the Wayland direction which has caused friction from what I can gather.
I'm with Wayne on this.
Ubuntu has its own very different desktop environment, a pretty fundamental component of a desktop OS, and has been pretty successful doing so. Kubuntu/Xubuntu/etc all manage to co-exist with their own desktop environments. The Mir/Wayland "choice" is no more fundamental, and it seems to me that it is tied more to the desktop environment than the core O/S anyway. So Debian + Mir + Unity = Ubuntu, Ubuntu + KDE (and maybe +Wayland) = Kubuntu, etc (apologies for the massive oversimplification!). Then you have Mint with it's own desktop with versions based on Ubuntu and Debian.
The whole point of the way the O/S has developed, based on the Unix philosophy, is that each component does one thing (and, ideally, does it well!) so that they are interchangeable. Reality is more complex but it *should* be possible, and indeed encouraged, that different paths co-exist. A Linux distro (distribution) is exactly that: one person/group/company's selection of components which they prefer over someone else's.
The debate over init processes is far more significant in my opinion, mainly because of the feature creep in systemd, which makes it much harder to just swap out with something else if you choose to.
On 03/01/15 22:12, James Freer wrote:
I gather that Debian is going to go down the Wayland route. Ubuntu is following Mir which I gather has given problems to Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_%28software%29
I am just wondering what will happen to the Debian derivative family - seems a break up is likely in 2015-2016. Be interested to hear from those in development what the future possibly holds.
I'll ask a Debian Developer of my acquaintance.
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