Sorry guys I now have a couple more questions, all help and suggestions gratefully received.
No. 1 I now have Exim working as my MTA but the reply-to on the header is listed as adamb@bagpuss (where adamb is my username and bagpuss the hostname) how do I fix this?
No. 2 My sound card doesn't work :( (but the tv card does and looks better than it did in windows) I rebuilt the kernel as normal and built the driver in (es1370) and no sound, this used to work with all other distros but not Debian. If I cat /dev/sndstat I get device not found. Any ideas? I have also tried modularising sound in the kernel but no luck.
No. 3 In enlightenment I use the scrollwheel button on my mouse to flip between desktops by adding the line ZAxisMapping 4 5 this worked before the upgrade to Potato and E16.3 but now nothing.
I hope you all had a good new year, and I'm looking forward to the next alug when/where is it? somebody mentioned that it would be at Laurie's hotel again is this so?
Till later Adam
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On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 01:00:56PM -0000, Adam Bower wrote:
No. 1 I now have Exim working as my MTA but the reply-to on the header is
The reply-to header is responsibility of your mail client. Look at that (or tell us what it is if you want more useful suggestions).
No. 2 My sound card doesn't work :( (but the tv card does and looks better than it did in windows) I rebuilt the kernel as normal and built the driver in (es1370) and no sound, this used to work with all other distros but not Debian. If I cat /dev/sndstat I get device not found. Any ideas? I have also tried modularising sound in the kernel but no luck.
I thought non-module sound didn't work since somewhere around 2.2.8. After doing a "make modules modules_install", you still need to "depmod -a <kernel-version>" and add anything you want autoloaded onto /etc/modules. If you've done all that, what does "lsmod" show after you try to "modprobe es1370"? Does the modprobe itself give errors?
No. 3 In enlightenment I use the scrollwheel button on my mouse to flip
I use IceWM rather than E, so I can't help there.
I hope you all had a good new year, and I'm looking forward to the next alug when/where is it? somebody mentioned that it would be at Laurie's hotel again is this so?
Probably will be there again from the looks of things (unless there is that hall near Diss for a change), so we need someone to take charge of organising it and talk to Laurie and the list, then it will happen. We have no "president" or "committee", so if you want it to happen, make it happen ;)
MJR
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Probably will be there again from the looks of things (unless there is that hall near Diss for a change), so we need someone to take charge of organising it and talk to Laurie and the list, then it will happen. We have no "president" or "committee", so if you want it to happen, make it happen ;)
MJR
Ok point taken,
Lets take it a step further, who thinks/feels we need an organising committee? I do, and I am prepared to be a member/maintainer/organiser but not only by myself though. I don't want to tread on the toes of the people who formed the alug as that would be bad karma. I just feel we need some kind of organisation going on to be able to advocate Linux in the east Anglian region. Can I/we hear some comments ?
Adam
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Personally I've got nothing against committees, providing they're run properly, have a chair who's unbiased but firm, and have a membership who are determined and varied. Unfortunately, almost invariably they lack in one or more of the above areas.
What do other people think? I'm quite happy to see a committee formed if that's what everyone else thinks would be best, but I'm not sure that it would be in our best interests.
Paul
Lets take it a step further, who thinks/feels we need an organising committee? I do, and I am prepared to be a member/maintainer/organiser but not only by myself though. I don't want to tread on the toes of the people who formed the alug as that would be bad karma. I just feel we need some kind of organisation going on to be able to advocate Linux in the east Anglian region. Can I/we hear some comments ?
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On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:25:39PM +0000, Paul Russell wrote:
What do other people think? I'm quite happy to see a committee formed if that's what everyone else thinks would be best, but I'm not sure that it would be in our best interests.
This probably isn't the reply Adam wanted, but anyway. ALUG is an organisation, but in the best tradition of Linux, it's a disorganised association of like-minded people who are each willing to put in wildly varying amounts of time. The Linus-like role of "benevolent dictator" probably gravitates somewhere around the original firestarters Laurie, Paul, BJ, Andrew Savory, Martyn Drake and myself. None of us has absolute authority and that cuts both ways.
I still stand by my arguments in http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/list/alug1/25.html
I would still be against an ALUG committee, but I would welcome small organising committees for each meeting. If a group would like to take on that task for the next one (ALUG5 is it now? coo) make yourself known to the list now!
MJR
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Excuse me while I bow down. Completely agree. Slightly scared about being accused of arson, but there we go.
Do other people have any major objections to this way of doing things? I think it makes sense to have mini-committees when we need them, primarily because I know that the other 'benevolent dictators' are at least as busy as myself, and we *really* want to see this thing succeed. As far as having a global committee to 'manage' ALUG is concerned, I have very similar reservations to the ones that Mark has already cited.
Linux is strong because the 'little guy' (read 'you and me') is, or can be, as strong as anyone else who's involved with linux. As I said, if people think a commitee is the right thing to do, then I'm quite happy that we give it a go. However, as Mark said, it's hard (and believe me, I've had a fair bit of experience from both sides of the table) to get this right.
Interestingly, although I'm not convinced of the merit of a comittee in this case, I have often wondered whether we can make the meetings a little more formal, and have actual scheduled demonstrations. In particular, MJ Ray, Andrew Savory and myself have tried to arrange specific demonstrations on several occasions; almost invariably, these have gone off half- cocked, or haven't happened at all. I'm sure both Andrew, Mark and myself would agree that this is our fault, although there is no reason why *we* should be doing those demonstrations. Do people think that there is a better way of making these things happen?
Thoughts?
Paul
On Mon, Jan 03, 2000 at 01:11:21AM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
On Sun, Jan 02, 2000 at 11:25:39PM +0000, Paul Russell wrote:
What do other people think? I'm quite happy to see a committee formed if that's what everyone else thinks would be best, but I'm not sure that it would be in our best interests.
This probably isn't the reply Adam wanted, but anyway. ALUG is an organisation, but in the best tradition of Linux, it's a disorganised association of like-minded people who are each willing to put in wildly varying amounts of time. The Linus-like role of "benevolent dictator" probably gravitates somewhere around the original firestarters Laurie, Paul, BJ, Andrew Savory, Martyn Drake and myself. None of us has absolute authority and that cuts both ways.
I still stand by my arguments in http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/list/alug1/25.html
I would still be against an ALUG committee, but I would welcome small organising committees for each meeting. If a group would like to take on that task for the next one (ALUG5 is it now? coo) make yourself known to the list now!
MJR
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Paul Russell wrote:
Excuse me while I bow down.
Oooh-er missus.
Do other people have any major objections to this way of doing things?
Nope - committees should be banned in public life IMHO ;-) (Although let's form a working party to implement the banning...)
Linux is strong because the 'little guy' (read 'you and me') is, or can be, as strong as anyone else who's involved with linux.
Yup - that's why I think we should have more chaos, but organise it better. It's good to have an appointed "victim" who will do the majority of the organising for individual meetings (or at least be the central point of contact) but that's probably as far as it should go.
In particular, MJ Ray, Andrew Savory and myself have tried to arrange specific demonstrations on several occasions; almost invariably, these have gone off half- cocked, or haven't happened at all.
As a wise whore once said, practice makes perfect. I think it's acceptable to get the first few meetings horribly wrong, but I would expect #5 to be bordering on perfect ;-)
Do people think that there is a better way of making these things happen?
Yes - more planning and preparation. I don't like the idea of having a formal layout for meetings, but I do like the idea of having specific milestones for each meeting - ie at ALUG5 we will demonstrate foo and bar, or do bar and food.
Just wild ramblings. What do you all think?
Andrew.
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At 02:24 03/01/00 +0000, you wrote:
Yes - more planning and preparation. I don't like the idea of having a formal layout for meetings, but I do like the idea of having specific milestones for each meeting - ie at ALUG5 we will demonstrate foo and bar, or do bar and food.
I would like to see a little more structure to the meetings. I enjoy the "free-for-all" structure of the meetings, but would also like to know what people are planning to demo/showoff before the meeting and some indication of the time they plan to do it. Something along the lines of:
at 2pm - x will be demonstrating... at 2:30pm - y will be demonstrating...
Then people are free to either watch the demos in one area of the meeting room or carry on their own free discussions elsewhere. So, if you are really interested in a particular demo you know when it's going to happen.
Just some more thoughts.
Ashley
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Do people think that there is a better way of making these things happen?
Yes - more planning and preparation. I don't like the idea of having a formal layout for meetings, but I do like the idea of having specific milestones for each meeting - ie at ALUG5 we will demonstrate foo and bar, or do bar and food.
Now as much as I *hate* to agree with Andrew...the last suggestion seems a good one...
Brett
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Brett Parker wrote:
Do people think that there is a better way of making these things happen?
Yes - more planning and preparation. I don't like the idea of having a formal layout for meetings, but I do like the idea of having specific milestones for each meeting - ie at ALUG5 we will demonstrate foo and bar, or do bar and food.
Now as much as I *hate* to agree with Andrew...the last suggestion seems a good one...
Brett
I agree too (with no problems!). I'm also with BJ, and distrust and dislike committees. However, I don't think the ALUGs I went to were diasters, but they were somewhat disorganised. That's no big deal, IMO, although I agree that a little more structure wouldn't go amiss. The main problem, as I recall, is the time taken to set things up, and the amount of time spent helping newbies and others with specific problems on their PCs/distros. I believe that that's a major component of a LUGs raison d'etre, and long may that continue. We *all* need help from our peers and gurus at some time. We should keep it loose, but focussed...
Cheers, Laurie.
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Mark wrote:
This probably isn't the reply Adam wanted, but anyway.
ALUG is
an organisation, but in the best tradition of Linux, it's
a
disorganised association of like-minded people who are
each
willing to put in wildly varying amounts of time. The Linus-like role of "benevolent dictator" probably
gravitates
somewhere around the original firestarters Laurie, Paul,
BJ,
Andrew Savory, Martyn Drake and myself. None of us has absolute authority and that cuts both ways.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Committees in my experience always tend to divide members in to two camps. Those that try to steer the organisation towards their way of thinking and the sheep who agree to anything. I have been on many committees and have been a thorn in the side of those whose hand is welded to the tiller! Linux is not like this, it is open source and free software that is (free as in sprit not as in lunch). The fact that "it's a disorganised association of like-minded people" holds a great deal of the charm of Linux for me, however I'm not so blinkered as to realise that some sort of organisation *is* inevitably necessary. Just think what kernel development would be like if there were no organisation!
I still stand by my arguments in http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/list/alug1/25.html
I would still be against an ALUG committee, but I would
welcome
small organising committees for each meeting. If a group
would
like to take on that task for the next one (ALUG5 is it
now?
coo) make yourself known to the list now!
Like Mark I'm against a full blown committee, but small organising group for each meeting would be a good idea and is probably necessary other wise the task will always fall on those whose shoulders it normally does. (Does that make sense? Crappy grammar). I'm available to assist in organising any of the future meetings including ALUG 5. Laurie is it still OK with you to host during your LAN party weekend?
The hall near Diss could be available in the future but I'll have to put it to the 'Executive Committee of The Syleham and Wingfield Computer Club'. :-)))
Cheers, BJ
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