I was just sent this via the FSFEurope.org mailing lists. I recoil in horror that they might get away with this. What do others think? Is Java going to die, will this become an "optional" plug-in like VBRUN.dll was on Windows 3, or is Java mostly used on the server side anyway?
Slashdotters will have seen this anyway, but here's choice clips from http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2790355,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews...
A Microsoft spokesman said Java support was diminished for "business reasons"
After Windows XP is launched in October, users will be directed to download a plug-in from Microsoft's Web site (www.microsoft.com) to make Java-based programs work.
"if you want your Web page accessible to the largest number of people, you may want to drop Java" and switch to Microsoft's competing set of products, which is under development and is known as .Net.
Microsoft's new products will now screen out Java as a possible carrier of computer viruses in e-mail and, under high-security settings, in Web-browsing software. ... Microsoft's new security rules don't halt the transmission of e-mail attachments that contain Microsoft Word or Excel "macros,"
Microsoft didn't announce the change.
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Mark,
You beat me to it.
Comments below. --- MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
I was just sent this via the FSFEurope.org mailing lists. I recoil in horror that they might get away with this. What do others think? Is Java going to die, will this become an "optional" plug-in like VBRUN.dll was on Windows 3, or is Java mostly used on the server side anyway?
Slashdotters will have seen this anyway, but here's choice clips from
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2790355,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews...
A Microsoft spokesman said Java support was diminished for "business reasons"
Of course when you flog C# development software at MS prices for several hundred punds a pop, its bloody good business reasons not to encourage the free alternative. It is to be expected that they woudl pull a stunt like this one. They couldn't embrace and extend so they said fine we will use our monopoly against them. And when you get ximian mono and DOTGNU also thinking of developing there own C# we only encourage the downfall of java and undermine the efforts of the GCC java team. What we should be doing is taking Java and creating our ow .Net system to compete with MS on a free platform!
After Windows XP is launched in October, users will be directed to download a plug-in from Microsoft's Web site (www.microsoft.com) to make Java-based programs work.
That means Java is dead in this country. Our poor dialup with cost us Java as people wont download it..
"if you want your Web page accessible to the largest number of people, you may want to drop Java" and switch to Microsoft's competing set of products, which is under development and is known as .Net.
Sums it up pretty well!
Microsoft's new products will now screen out Java as a possible carrier of computer viruses in e-mail and, under high-security settings, in Web-browsing software. ... Microsoft's new security rules don't halt the transmission of e-mail attachments that contain Microsoft Word or Excel "macros,"
I think we see the sort of two faced FUD which is costing us dearly. Surely we should make dishonesty illegal? oops scratch that, those in power are becasue of it and it would outlaw most of what they say, then again.
Microsoft didn't announce the change.
"Hey competitors, in 3 months time we will declare war on you!" I wonder why they never announced it,
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grrr, copyright
THanks
D
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on 18/7/01 4:04 pm, MJ Ray at markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
I was just sent this via the FSFEurope.org mailing lists. I recoil in horror that they might get away with this. What do others think? Is Java going to die, will this become an "optional" plug-in like VBRUN.dll was on Windows 3, or is Java mostly used on the server side anyway?
Java support in client side browsers always has been dodgy. Does anyone know of large projects which use java deployment and IE? Or will this just affect the small applets for games, etc?
"if you want your Web page accessible to the largest number of people, you may want to drop Java" and switch to Microsoft's competing set of products, which is under development and is known as .Net.
So .Net is a replacement for Java? Does it have similar functionality?
Microsoft's new products will now screen out Java as a possible carrier of computer viruses in e-mail and, under high-security settings, in Web-browsing software. ... Microsoft's new security rules don't halt the transmission of e-mail attachments that contain Microsoft Word or Excel "macros,"
No comment.
Ashley
On Wed, 18 Jul, 2001 at 17:38 +0100, Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. wrote:
Java support in client side browsers always has been dodgy.
Woah! Hold on there! Now who's spreading FUD? Yes, historically Java in browsers was a pile of pants, but that simply hasn't been true for the last year or so. IE5's implementation was pretty darn good, better than many of the more Open offerings, so it's kinda ironic that they should pull the plug on it.
Does anyone know of large projects which use java deployment and IE? Or will this just affect the small applets for games, etc?
Microsoft killing java would stop me using my online banking. It would stop me using my content management system. It would stop me reading the latest news headlines. Java's for more than games, that's just three applications off the top of my head where it's useful in the browser and used almost every day.
(As it happens, I can do all these things in Linux, but I can't always guarantee I'll be sat in front of a Linux machine.)
So .Net is a replacement for Java? Does it have similar functionality?
Not even slightly. .Net is a framework for internet applications. Java is a fully-featured environment for providing applications. .Net is only available on platforms that Microsoft provide it on (although hopefully Mono will fix this). .Net is yet another way of Microsoft embracing, extending and ultimately consuming the internet.
Grrrr, etc.
Andrew.
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. wrote:
Java support in client side browsers always has been dodgy. Does anyone know of large projects which use java deployment and IE? Or will this just affect the small applets for games, etc?
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