I have 2 mail readers on this machine, Thunderbird (which is what I'm using to write this mail) and Sylpheed. I also have a Blackberry Playbook which is configured to use one of the same email addresses as used on Sylpheed. I had previously used Sylpheed in POP3 mode but when I realised that it wasn't displaying the mail I'd sent from the Playbook, I figured I'd change the setup to IMAP. Sylpheed wouldn't let me change it so I deleted the account and recreated it as IMAP. But Sylpheed still won't display the sent mail. I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other? Any help/ideas appreciated.
Chris Walker
I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other?
Are you sure Sylpheed is looking at the same IMAP folder for sent mail? I can't find a current manual but it looks like it might be in Configuration: Edit accounts...: select account: Edit: Advanced. Claws seems better for mailing list support BICBW Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/
On Thu, 02 May 2013 16:30:59 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other?
Any help/ideas appreciated.
I've used claws for some time now. It is essentially "sylpheed with plugins". AFAIR sylpheed handled POP3 and IMAP (and wikipedia seems to confim that) so I'm a little surprised you have problems. But I'd recommend you move to claws anyway. Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- blog: baldric.net gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
On 02-May-2013 16:48:30 mick wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2013 16:30:59 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other?
Any help/ideas appreciated.
I've used claws for some time now. It is essentially "sylpheed with plugins". AFAIR sylpheed handled POP3 and IMAP (and wikipedia seems to confim that) so I'm a little surprised you have problems. But I'd recommend you move to claws anyway.
Mick
Claws looks interesting! It certainly has a lot of capabilities, and might, for me, be a worthy successor to XFMail (which I'm still using, but which is defunct in development and no longer available with recent Linux distributions). There is one question that I haven;t been able to find an answer to on the claws website [ http://www.claws-mail.org/ ]. A thing I regularly need to do (and which is what prompted me to adopt XFMail, nearly 20 years ago) is -- when I am writing a new email or replying to one -- to be able to have other email messages (which I have saved) open in separate windows. This allows cross-referencing, or pasting in quotes, from other relevant emails. E.g. if I want to see what someone wrote in the past on a subject which I'm currently writing about, I can track down their old email in a folder listing, double-click on it, and it will open up. And you can have several open at the same time, for complex matters. This is the computer equivalent of taking several different sheets of paper out of different folders in different filing cabinets, and spreading them out on your desk for reference. XFMail is the only mail client that I have found, so far, which allows this to be done nicely. Can claws do it? Or be persuaded to do it (I see that it has provision for users to write their own "add-ons"). Oh, and while I'm at it: Does claws permit arbitrary editing of stored emails (e.g. adding/deleting/editing content, adding/removing attachments, etc.)? And does it have flexible provision for appropriate handling of MIME types? With thanks, Ted. ------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@wlandres.net> Date: 02-May-2013 Time: 18:30:38 This message was sent by XFMail -------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2 May 2013, Ted Harding wrote:
On 02-May-2013 16:48:30 mick wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2013 16:30:59 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other?
Any help/ideas appreciated.
I've used claws for some time now. It is essentially "sylpheed with plugins". AFAIR sylpheed handled POP3 and IMAP (and wikipedia seems to confim that) so I'm a little surprised you have problems. But I'd recommend you move to claws anyway.
Mick
Claws looks interesting! It certainly has a lot of capabilities, and might, for me, be a worthy successor to XFMail (which I'm still using, but which is defunct in development and no longer available with recent Linux distributions).
There is one question that I haven;t been able to find an answer to on the claws website [ http://www.claws-mail.org/ ].
A thing I regularly need to do (and which is what prompted me to adopt XFMail, nearly 20 years ago) is -- when I am writing a new email or replying to one -- to be able to have other email messages (which I have saved) open in separate windows.
This allows cross-referencing, or pasting in quotes, from other relevant emails. E.g. if I want to see what someone wrote in the past on a subject which I'm currently writing about, I can track down their old email in a folder listing, double-click on it, and it will open up. And you can have several open at the same time, for complex matters.
This is the computer equivalent of taking several different sheets of paper out of different folders in different filing cabinets, and spreading them out on your desk for reference.
XFMail is the only mail client that I have found, so far, which allows this to be done nicely.
Can claws do it? Or be persuaded to do it (I see that it has provision for users to write their own "add-ons").
Oh, and while I'm at it: Does claws permit arbitrary editing of stored emails (e.g. adding/deleting/editing content, adding/removing attachments, etc.)? And does it have flexible provision for appropriate handling of MIME types?
With thanks, Ted.
Both are MH maildirs; Sylpheed is smaller, faster and less features - while Claws is less pretty but has more features like filtering. I think Mutt and Alpine do what you are wanting... or can be configured if you are keen on customisation. Have you looked at some of the web email clients? Now that Gmail and others are introducing features not to folks liking (e.g. Gmails ghastly compose window) - these are becoming popular like Opera, Xuheki, ATmail, Firefox has two or three in add-ons. I found Alpine used in conjunction with the Gmail UI "ticked the boxes" for me. james
On Thu, 02 May 2013 18:30:43 +0100 (BST) (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@wlandres.net> allegedly wrote:
Claws looks interesting! It certainly has a lot of capabilities, and might, for me, be a worthy successor to XFMail (which I'm still using, but which is defunct in development and no longer available with recent Linux distributions).
There is one question that I haven;t been able to find an answer to on the claws website [ http://www.claws-mail.org/ ].
A thing I regularly need to do (and which is what prompted me to adopt XFMail, nearly 20 years ago) is -- when I am writing a new email or replying to one -- to be able to have other email messages (which I have saved) open in separate windows.
Ted Yes - no problem. I currently have your email and four others from separate stored directories open on my desktop whilst I am answering this one to you.
This allows cross-referencing, or pasting in quotes, from other relevant emails. E.g. if I want to see what someone wrote in the past on a subject which I'm currently writing about, I can track down their old email in a folder listing, double-click on it, and it will open up. And you can have several open at the same time, for complex matters.
I do exactly the same thing. In fact I store all my mail in "topic" folders within my claws inbox.
Oh, and while I'm at it: Does claws permit arbitrary editing of stored emails (e.g. adding/deleting/editing content, adding/removing attachments, etc.)?
No. You cannot edit a stored email. What I tend to do in such circumstances though is forward a copy to myself. I can then edit the forwarded copy before sending.
And does it have flexible provision for appropriate handling of MIME types?
Yep. No problem. Give it a try. Best Mick
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On Thu, 2 May 2013, mick wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2013 16:30:59 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other?
Any help/ideas appreciated.
I've used claws for some time now. It is essentially "sylpheed with plugins". AFAIR sylpheed handled POP3 and IMAP (and wikipedia seems to confim that) so I'm a little surprised you have problems. But I'd recommend you move to claws anyway.
Mick
I used both Sylpheed and Claws a while back. Both i found fine although i thought Sylpheed was better. Sylpheed start up was quite smart i seem to recall - but you must have a problem somewhere in the setup. Bot are mature apps or reasonably so. Both certainly faster than Evolution and Thunderbird (they should really drop the 'thunder' now... too slow for imap perhaps a rename is required 'Snailbird' or Blackbird). I've been using Alpine for a couple of years now and wouldn't change to anything else. I read the server directly and then i have no downloading of headers when i install the latest 6 month linux release. All works rather well. james
On 02/05/13 18:34, James Freer wrote:
I used both Sylpheed and Claws a while back. Both i found fine although i thought Sylpheed was better. Sylpheed start up was quite smart i seem to recall - but you must have a problem somewhere in the setup. Bot are mature apps or reasonably so. Both certainly faster than Evolution and Thunderbird (they should really drop the 'thunder' now... too slow for imap perhaps a rename is required 'Snailbird' or Blackbird).
/snip/ I think the word you're gropingfor is 'Turkey' However, I'm quite happy with Turkeybird as it is. -- Tony http://www.girolle.co.uk/
On Thu, 2 May 2013, Anthony Anson wrote:
On 02/05/13 18:34, James Freer wrote:
I used both Sylpheed and Claws a while back. Both i found fine although i thought Sylpheed was better. Sylpheed start up was quite smart i seem to recall - but you must have a problem somewhere in the setup. Bot are mature apps or reasonably so. Both certainly faster than Evolution and Thunderbird (they should really drop the 'thunder' now... too slow for imap perhaps a rename is required 'Snailbird' or Blackbird).
/snip/
I think the word you're gropingfor is 'Turkey'
However, I'm quite happy with Turkeybird as it is. -- Tony
'Turkey' yep that's best. I'm trying to get back to normal - been looking after the "old bat" for six years with Alzheimer's (died in Feb). Certainly takes a fair bit out of you that disease. #james
On 02/05/13 17:48, mick wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2013 16:30:59 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
I then looked around for another free mail reader and found Claws. If I set that up in IMAP mode, it *does* show the sent mail. Further googling showed that Claws was developed from the same code base as Sylpheed so if one program can display the sent mail, why won't the other?
Any help/ideas appreciated.
I've used claws for some time now. It is essentially "sylpheed with plugins". AFAIR sylpheed handled POP3 and IMAP (and wikipedia seems to confim that) so I'm a little surprised you have problems. But I'd recommend you move to claws anyway.
More on this problem first. Whatever I did to Sylpheed including moving the Mail folder didn't help. So I'm guessing that there's a config file somewhere that I'd need to either move or delete. Assuming I give up on Sylpheed and migrate to Claws, how easy is it to move all the mail too? Am I right in thinking that they both use the same mail structure of MH? So can I simply drop the Sylpheed mail into the Claws mail system and expect it to 'just work' or will it all go nipple north?
On Fri, 03 May 2013 15:01:40 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
More on this problem first. Whatever I did to Sylpheed including moving the Mail folder didn't help. So I'm guessing that there's a config file somewhere that I'd need to either move or delete.
Claws keeps all its config files in a hidden directory called $HOME/.claws-mail. Sylpheed seems to use a directory called $HOME/.sylpheed-2.0 (I have just installed sylpheed in a VM to try out conversion)
Assuming I give up on Sylpheed and migrate to Claws, how easy is it to move all the mail too? Am I right in thinking that they both use the same mail structure of MH? So can I simply drop the Sylpheed mail into the Claws mail system and expect it to 'just work' or will it all go nipple north?
Claws certainly uses MH mail and stores all mail and mail folders in a directory called $HOME/claws-mail. Sylpheed defaults to mail store in $HOME/Mail (though you can pick an alternative location if you wish). Having installed sylpheed I have just copied all my claws mail and claws configs to the sylpheed equivalents and everything worked fine. I now have a complete copy of my claws mail store on sylpheed in a VM on my desktop. So - I conclude the the same would work in reverse. Just install claws and then copy across the sylpheed store and config and Bob's your parent's sibling. Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- blog: baldric.net gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
On 03/05/13 20:04, mick wrote:
Having installed sylpheed I have just copied all my claws mail and claws configs to the sylpheed equivalents and everything worked fine. I now have a complete copy of my claws mail store on sylpheed in a VM on my desktop.
So - I conclude the the same would work in reverse. Just install claws and then copy across the sylpheed store and config and Bob's your parent's sibling.
Thanks for the idea of a VM. I did as you did and created a Sylpheed account which was a mirror of the 'proper' account here. I also created a Claws account and copied over all the mail. I could then play about with settings safe in the knowledge that I wasn't going to screw anything up. But it all went well so I did the same thing on here and it's all working.
On Tue, 07 May 2013 18:27:17 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
But it all went well so I did the same thing on here and it's all working.
Excellent! So why are you mailing from thunderbird? :-) Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- blog: baldric.net gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
On 07/05/13 18:33, mick wrote:
On Tue, 07 May 2013 18:27:17 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
But it all went well so I did the same thing on here and it's all working.
Excellent!
So why are you mailing from thunderbird? :-)
Not so traumatic as cold turkey? -- Tony http://www.girolle.co.uk/
On 07/05/13 18:33, mick wrote:
On Tue, 07 May 2013 18:27:17 +0100 Chris Walker <cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
But it all went well so I did the same thing on here and it's all working.
Excellent!
So why are you mailing from thunderbird? :-)
Before I used Sylpheed/Claws I used TBird so I've stuck with that for lists as it displays HTML messages. While I realise that I won't get HTML messages from here, I also collect other mail from lists which do have HTML. I will in time merge all the accounts and get rid of TBird. But that will have to wait for another time.
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