I have installed Red hat 7.1, when I made the install I had, (and still have a two button mouse), which the install regarded as emulating a three button mouse. If I buy a three button mouse and plug it in will the system recognise as a three button mouse or have I got to do something arcane to get it to work? My two button mouse make s three commands, (left=L right =R L&R =M), L-1 LL-2 R-3 How many does a three button make? It appears to me that it should makethe following: L-1 LL-2 M-3 R-4 (this much would appear to follow the two button, but does the following apply?) L+M-5 R+M-6 R+L-7 L+M+R-8 and probably other combinations which you can work out for yourself. There used to be in the 1970's, in the magazines which came with the Observer and the Sunday Times, adverts for electric speedwriters which, by using five buttons, one for each digit , used in combinations which it was stated were easy to learn, enabled one to type at hitherto unobtainable speeds. couldthe same principal be applied to the commands that could be made with a three button Mouse?
On 03-Jul-01 John Seago wrote:
I have installed Red hat 7.1, when I made the install I had, (and still have a two button mouse), which the install regarded as emulating a three button mouse. If I buy a three button mouse and plug it in will the system recognise as a three button mouse or have I got to do something arcane to get it to work?
My two button mouse make s three commands, (left=L right =R L&R =M), L-1 LL-2 R-3 How many does a three button make? It appears to me that it should makethe following: L-1 LL-2 M-3 R-4 (this much would appear to follow the two button, but does the following apply?) L+M-5 R+M-6 R+L-7 L+M+R-8 and probably other combinations which you can work out for yourself. There used to be in the 1970's, in the magazines which came with the Observer and the Sunday Times, adverts for electric speedwriters which, by using five buttons, one for each digit , used in combinations which it was stated were easy to learn, enabled one to type at hitherto unobtainable speeds. couldthe same principal be applied to the commands that could be made with a three button Mouse?
I see know reason why not although these so called speed devices are not so easy or fast to use, I used to have a coleage who used one to type and he siad they where a bit slower thean conventional typing and very expencive but he was a programmer so needed to keep money coming in after a car crash that had removed his ability to type with 2 hands Owen
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used to be in the 1970's, in the magazines which came with the Observer and the Sunday Times, adverts for electric speedwriters which, by using five buttons, one for each digit , used in combinations which it was stated were easy to learn, enabled one to type at hitherto unobtainable speeds. couldthe same principal be applied to the commands that could be made with a three button Mouse?
I see know reason why not although these so called speed devices are not so easy or fast to use, I used to have a coleage who used one to type and he siad they where a bit slower thean conventional typing and very expencive but he was a programmer so needed to keep money coming in after a car crash that had removed his ability to type with 2 hands
Owen
Point of trivia, a americain nutter has a recumbent trike with a trailer covered in solar cells which powers a mac which has connected two "twiddlers" as you describe which are mounted on the ends of his handle bars, the net result being he can type, cycle etc... all at the same time. Struck me as being rather cool really. Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Point of trivia, a americain nutter has a recumbent trike with a trailer covered in solar cells which powers a mac which has connected two "twiddlers" as you describe which are mounted on the ends of his handle bars, the net result being he can type, cycle etc... all at the same time. Struck me as being rather cool really.
that is Technomad and the technotrike, I've met the bloke (on my wearable pursuits) and he is very nice, even if he is a little excentric... As for the Twiddler, I could go on for hours as to how bad it is, I've just put together a chapter in my thesis where I compare the Twiddler to normal keyboards and mice.. basically, it is not that hard to learn, but it is very slow and frustrating.. unfortunatly there are no real alternatives at the moment ;(.. Sz
Thanks
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David Freeman wrote:
Point of trivia, a americain nutter has a recumbent trike with a trailer covered in solar cells which powers a mac which has
connected
two "twiddlers" as you describe which are mounted on the ends of his handle bars, the net result being he can type, cycle etc... all at the same time. Struck me as being rather cool really.
that is Technomad and the technotrike, I've met the bloke (on my wearable pursuits) and he is very nice, even if he is a little excentric... As for the Twiddler, I could go on for hours as to how bad it is, I've just put together a chapter in my thesis where I compare the Twiddler to normal keyboards and mice.. basically, it is not that hard to learn, but it is very slow and frustrating.. unfortunatly there are no real alternatives at the moment ;(..
Sz
Yes Mr newman, I wanted to chat to you about the wearables, I here you did some demos for Lonix of your wearables stuff, which means you are pencilled in for the next meet to do a wearables demo. Also While on the subject, Earl your doing a security demo. Out of interest for input devices what is there for a wearable? I quite like my split keyboard, could I some how still use a qwerty keyboard with a wearable? Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
David Freeman wrote:
Yes Mr newman, I wanted to chat to you about the wearables, I here you did some demos for Lonix of your wearables stuff, which means you are pencilled in for the next meet to do a wearables demo.
okies.. I have no problem doing this in the future, but I'm trying to get my thesis in by the end of July, so now is not a good time ;(... I promise that I will do a wearables talk for you guys... but at the moment I am likely to scream if anybody mentions wearables/java/thesis ;)....
Also While on the subject, Earl your doing a security demo. Out of interest for input devices what is there for a wearable?
The Twiddler, that's about it.. there are some other devices (wearclam, keydler) but these are much more one off prototypes ;(..
I quite like my split keyboard, could I some how still use a qwerty keyboard with a wearable?
erm.. I think the only option there would be to use an arm mounted qwerty board, but these are small, fiddly, and although you only type with one hand, you tie up both hands when using the device.. There is no easy answer to this problem at the moment...
Thanks
Sz - tring to keep calm
D
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David Freeman wrote:
Yes Mr newman, I wanted to chat to you about the wearables, I here
you
did some demos for Lonix of your wearables stuff, which means you are pencilled in for the next meet to do a wearables demo.
okies.. I have no problem doing this in the future, but I'm trying to get my thesis in by the end of July, so now is not a good time ;(... I promise that I will do a wearables talk for you guys... but at the moment I am likely to scream if anybody mentions wearables/java/thesis ;)....
Well the next meet is in august some time. Does this mean you can help a newbie wih bugs in their Java code? /me runs
Also While on the subject, Earl your doing a security demo. Out of interest for input devices what is there for a wearable?
The Twiddler, that's about it.. there are some other devices (wearclam, keydler) but these are much more one off prototypes ;(..
Oh great joy. I'll stick to my desktop PC then.
I quite like my split keyboard, could I some how still use a qwerty keyboard with a wearable?
erm.. I think the only option there would be to use an arm mounted qwerty board, but these are small, fiddly, and although you only type with one hand, you tie up both hands when using the device.. There is no easy answer to this problem at the moment...
Wouldn't work for what I want. I quite liked the idea of having two half keyboards on my belt and typing with my hands down by my side.
Thanks
Sz - tring to keep calm
Remember Don't Panic
D
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David Freeman wrote:
--- Neill Newman <neill@entora.co.uk> wrote:
David Freeman wrote:
Yes Mr newman, I wanted to chat to you about the wearables, I here
you
did some demos for Lonix of your wearables stuff, which means you are pencilled in for the next meet to do a wearables demo.
okies.. I have no problem doing this in the future, but I'm trying to get my thesis in by the end of July, so now is not a good time ;(... I promise that I will do a wearables talk for you guys... but at the moment I am likely to scream if anybody mentions wearables/java/thesis ;)....
Well the next meet is in august some time.
anybody who has ever witten a thesis will tell you the same. When you want it to be finished by, is never when it will actually be finished by.. I'm sure there should be a law governing this.. I shall call it academia's law ;).. /me ducks because his PHD advisor is on this list! Sz -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Neill Newman wrote:
Well the next meet is in august some time.
anybody who has ever witten a thesis will tell you the same. When you want it to be finished by, is never when it will actually be finished by.. I'm sure there should be a law governing this.. I shall call it academia's law ;)..
/me ducks because his PHD advisor is on this list!
Arggh, please do not mention the t word on this list! Simon
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David Freeman wrote:
--- Neill Newman <neill@entora.co.uk> wrote:
David Freeman wrote:
Well the next meet is in august some time.
anybody who has ever witten a thesis will tell you the same. When you want it to be finished by, is never when it will actually be finished by.. I'm sure there should be a law governing this.. I shall call it academia's law ;)..
Its a well know law which effects most echnical subjects, infact it crops up in the mythical man month!
/me ducks because his PHD advisor is on this list!
/me points at the person cowering behind a rock and shouts "he's over here :o) Thanks D
Sz
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On Monday 09 July 2001 08:41, David Freeman wrote:
anybody who has ever witten a thesis will tell you the same. When you want it to be finished by, is never when it will actually be finished by.. I'm sure there should be a law governing this.. I shall call it academia's law ;)..
I remember when I was at a conference a few years ago in the states. The person giving the paper said "I did this as some thesis avoidance work". This raised some laughs from the audience. Ashley
that is Technomad and the technotrike, I've met the bloke (on my wearable pursuits) and he is very nice, even if he is a little excentric...
Steve Roberts of Nomadic Research Labs, the current name for his projects. The bike was called Behemoth. He has developed other projects and for the past few years he has been developing and hand-building a small pedal and wind-powered boat with lots of electronics and computing power including linux, much of it home-brewed by a large band of volunteers. See <http://www.microship.com> for more info. Syd
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