Tools for laying out images and text on web pages - suggestions wanted
Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page. I know that HTML is fundamentally not really designed to do such a thing (because it creates content rather than layout) but in the real world it's a rather fundamental thing to want to do. While CSS is 'the right answer' it doesn't really fill the bill because I want to layout 'this particular bit of text I have written' in a specific position relative to 'this particular image'. I'm not after a generic two column or three column layout into which I can drop my text and images, I'm after saying "put this text top left next to this image top right then this text across the page, then this image on the left with this text to the right of it ....." etc. I guess the WYSIWYG way of doing it would be draggable boxes with configurable constraints such that you could say "this one must be next to this one". (... and yes I know WYSIWYG doesn't really fit the web because of different sized screens etc. but this is mostly for me to use so it doesn't have to work for everyone's screen and browser) Any suggestions? -- Chris Green
Chris G wrote:
Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page.
I know that HTML is fundamentally not really designed to do such a thing (because it creates content rather than layout) but in the real world it's a rather fundamental thing to want to do.
While CSS is 'the right answer' it doesn't really fill the bill because I want to layout 'this particular bit of text I have written' in a specific position relative to 'this particular image'. I'm not after a generic two column or three column layout into which I can drop my text and images, I'm after saying "put this text top left next to this image top right then this text across the page, then this image on the left with this text to the right of it ....." etc.
I guess the WYSIWYG way of doing it would be draggable boxes with configurable constraints such that you could say "this one must be next to this one". (... and yes I know WYSIWYG doesn't really fit the web because of different sized screens etc. but this is mostly for me to use so it doesn't have to work for everyone's screen and browser)
Any suggestions?
Well........... You can do it using (thinks hard, searches memory) <later> Having been up to the attic to riffle through boxes of old CDs, I found - Page Mill. </later> Saves pages I think in XML, which suggests to me that if you can construct what you want in Open Office, you ought to be able to save the job as a web page, as that saves in XML too - I think. Pages made in Pagemill and in Open Office are sensibly sized, unlike some 'WYSIWYG' pogroms whose names I won't even whisper. You need to be able to run some flavour of Billyware to use Pagemill thobut. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On 19 Oct 18:53, Chris G wrote:
Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page.
I know that HTML is fundamentally not really designed to do such a thing (because it creates content rather than layout) but in the real world it's a rather fundamental thing to want to do.
While CSS is 'the right answer' it doesn't really fill the bill because I want to layout 'this particular bit of text I have written' in a specific position relative to 'this particular image'. I'm not after a generic two column or three column layout into which I can drop my text and images, I'm after saying "put this text top left next to this image top right then this text across the page, then this image on the left with this text to the right of it ....." etc.
Erm, so, nothing like: http://miranda.sommitrealweird.co.uk/~brettp/temp/chrisg/ Then? But to answer the general question, how about something like KompoZer - it's not KDE based, it's a GTK+ application. It's WYSIWYG (though, I'll never believe that of *any* app, WYSIWYG is only applicable to print, if it's being interpreted and displayed on a screen it's more WYSIWYSG, with the caveat that it might display differently elsewhere, ho hum).
I guess the WYSIWYG way of doing it would be draggable boxes with configurable constraints such that you could say "this one must be next to this one". (... and yes I know WYSIWYG doesn't really fit the web because of different sized screens etc. but this is mostly for me to use so it doesn't have to work for everyone's screen and browser)
Any suggestions?
-- Chris Green
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:01:21AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
On 19 Oct 18:53, Chris G wrote:
Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page.
I know that HTML is fundamentally not really designed to do such a thing (because it creates content rather than layout) but in the real world it's a rather fundamental thing to want to do.
While CSS is 'the right answer' it doesn't really fill the bill because I want to layout 'this particular bit of text I have written' in a specific position relative to 'this particular image'. I'm not after a generic two column or three column layout into which I can drop my text and images, I'm after saying "put this text top left next to this image top right then this text across the page, then this image on the left with this text to the right of it ....." etc.
Erm, so, nothing like: http://miranda.sommitrealweird.co.uk/~brettp/temp/chrisg/
Then? But to answer the general question, how about something like KompoZer - it's not KDE based, it's a GTK+ application. It's WYSIWYG (though, I'll never believe that of *any* app, WYSIWYG is only applicable to print, if it's being interpreted and displayed on a screen it's more WYSIWYSG, with the caveat that it might display differently elsewhere, ho hum).
Yes, I guess KompoZer is a possible answer, I have used it on and off over the years. It has (had?) periods of being very unstable. .... hmmm, installed kompozer on my Ubuntu 10.04 system and (as in several previous incarnations) it simply doesn't work at all. Starting it either from the menus or from the command line results in absolutely nothing at all, not even an error message. So it *has* periods of being very unstable. :-( :-) -- Chris Green
On 05 Nov 11:52, Chris G wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:01:21AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
On 19 Oct 18:53, Chris G wrote:
Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page.
I know that HTML is fundamentally not really designed to do such a thing (because it creates content rather than layout) but in the real world it's a rather fundamental thing to want to do.
While CSS is 'the right answer' it doesn't really fill the bill because I want to layout 'this particular bit of text I have written' in a specific position relative to 'this particular image'. I'm not after a generic two column or three column layout into which I can drop my text and images, I'm after saying "put this text top left next to this image top right then this text across the page, then this image on the left with this text to the right of it ....." etc.
Erm, so, nothing like: http://miranda.sommitrealweird.co.uk/~brettp/temp/chrisg/
Then? But to answer the general question, how about something like KompoZer - it's not KDE based, it's a GTK+ application. It's WYSIWYG (though, I'll never believe that of *any* app, WYSIWYG is only applicable to print, if it's being interpreted and displayed on a screen it's more WYSIWYSG, with the caveat that it might display differently elsewhere, ho hum).
Yes, I guess KompoZer is a possible answer, I have used it on and off over the years. It has (had?) periods of being very unstable.
.... hmmm, installed kompozer on my Ubuntu 10.04 system and (as in several previous incarnations) it simply doesn't work at all. Starting it either from the menus or from the command line results in absolutely nothing at all, not even an error message.
So it *has* periods of being very unstable. :-( :-)
That's actually an umbongo bug. It's not one of umbongos core pieces of software and so the infinite wisdom goes that they don't really care - I had seen that there was an open report on ubuntu for it, but I don't believe anyone has bothered trying to fix it. It works perfectly in debian unstable... :) -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61
"Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page." Kompozer is nice and quick and easy to use. Would Texmaker, Eric, TEA be more the sort of thing you're looking for. All are quite sophisticated apps. I've only just been experimenting with Texmaker this last few days so not an expert but someone else may use it and be able to advise. james
On 6 November 2010 12:08, James Freer <jessejazza@googlemail.com> wrote:
"Are there any good tools/utilities for easily laying out pictures and text on a web page? I want an easy way to put some images and text on a page with text beside pictures and/or more than one picture across the page."
Kompozer is nice and quick and easy to use.
Would Texmaker, Eric, TEA be more the sort of thing you're looking for. All are quite sophisticated apps.
I've only just been experimenting with Texmaker this last few days so not an expert but someone else may use it and be able to advise.
james
There's also Screem or Winefish if Eric is a bit heavy james
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