Once again a good turnout - perhaps more people are coming out of the woodwork now the weather is getting better? In attendance were Eli [sfr], Jan, James Green, Jonathan [Noodles], Lucy, Martijn [mak], Mike, Paul C [paul_c], Richard [ironChicken], Rob [robrob], Safe, Sean (Shaun?), Simon [Sionide] ,Steve [stilvoid] & Will. Steve took some photos with his phone, which you can see at: http://the.earth.li/~noodles/stilvoid-alug/alug-20060511/ There was a minor license debate, with Rob bemoaning Linus' attitude to GPLv3 and myself saying I didn't think it was an issue that the kernel was GPLv2. Think I need to go read the diff at some point. We moved onto agreeing that DRM was a bad thing, and hoping that in general the market would always find a way around it (eg as happened with DVDs). There was a conversation about Postscript and PDF, and how open they were or otherwise, and how widely accepted. Jan and I had a short conversation about PVRs and talking to them from Linux - Adam, I think he's ended up with a Topfield and was interested in being able to make DVDs of his recordings. I believe you've done this? I talked a bit about multicast and how the BBC were pushing it but the Linux routing support wasn't great yet. Rob extolled the virtues of the Hurd, but confessed to not actually running it. Mak and eli and I had a chat about the inability of banks to get IT right. And separately a whine about ID cards and how it's going to be some 3rd party IT outsourcing house who's not going to complete on time and will go massively over budget. Oh, and not produce something secure enough that you'd want all your details on. There was some chat about sci-fi books (Rob's trying to get rid of a load) and in particular Iain M. Banks. After we left the pub and were standing around there was some agreement that going to LinuxExpo might be of interest to people. I'm not sure when the next one is; probably October? Oh, and Richard mentioned the Bletchley Park trip again. J. -- Stand by stomach, here comes banana...