On 2004-07-22 13:03:27 +0100 Simon Williams alug@no-dns-yet.org.uk wrote:
- On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 12:29:28AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sorry you felt you couldn't help ALUG serve Essex better.
I think it was mainly the name that could cause confusion. It it stayed part of ALUG, it would be the Chelmsford branch, which might make some people think that it's more localised than it is.
Why not an Essex branch, like the mid-Suffolk one?
I suspect this has more to do with some people wanting to be called "admin" like in all the worst LUGs, but I hope I'm wrong and wish it the best. The LUGs I've liked best, Peterborough and Anglian, have had "admin" people who spend most of the time trying to avoid the label, but still do the work.
Remember we're here if you need a hand and co-operation is always good.
Thanks (even though I'm not the/an admin). I don't see why members of each LUG couldn't turn up to the other LUG's meetings and be welcomed.
Oh, I agree. I'd take up SoSLUG's invitation if I could find time to travel there and I visit PLUG as often as I can. Cam-LUG have been very hostile to ALUG in the past, though.
Because of the above suspicions, I'd appreciate this staying off-list so I don't start a flamewar. You emailed me off-list first, anyway.
On 2004-07-22 14:11:52 +0100 MJ Ray mjr@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
Because of the above suspicions, I'd appreciate this staying off-list so I don't start a flamewar. You emailed me off-list first, anyway.
Well, I was well and truly conned there! :-( An off-list reply with the Reply-To pointing at the list. I am rather upset that some list members indulge in such skullduggery. Whatever next?
MJ Ray wrote:
Well, I was well and truly conned there! :-( An off-list reply with the Reply-To pointing at the list. I am rather upset that some list members indulge in such skullduggery.
Aww
Whatever next?
You'll start paying attention to the destination of potentially sensitive email?
D.
On 2004-07-22 14:20:25 +0100 Daniel Silverstone dsilvers@digital-scurf.org wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Whatever next?
You'll start paying attention to the destination of potentially sensitive email?
Yes, my error too. I usually check, but I'm busy today and I missed one. It wasn't *that* bad. I just think people I don't know very well might take offence, which isn't how it was meant.
A more likely outcome is that I trust ALUGgers a bit less. That's a shame, as we've not had much screwing around since the zipped huge zero file.
I'll definitely not use the IRC much outside the Monday 8pm meetings, as I don't want to know about #alug full-timers getting off on other people's mistakes.
Seeing as I was asked on IRC, here's a Cam-LUG summary thread for recent joiners, but there's little point raking it over IMO: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2003-July/002368.html is their owner's view (spin: camlug protect the local culture for local people, from hostile Northants and Norfolk invaders like me) and http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2003-July/002370.html is my reply; actually, I think I might have been wrong and the list merge suggestion was first made by Ian Wells, in http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2001-November/010692.html
<rant> Look girls, the reason why I called myself admin is because a certain person no doubt would have moaned at me if I'd left my business sig on there and I couldn't think of anything else to call myself for the site, and every other lug seems to have an admin, and being the person that "administers" the site, I thought admin would be quite ideal. You can't win ;) I'm about as far away from a sysadmin as you can get, so the last thing I want to be called is admin. Big boy maybe, but that's another discussion entirely ;)
The reason why there's a website there instead of mailman is because that's what I do all day long, so instead of learning how to use something else, I thought I would provide an environment which has the capabilities to be useful, for example people adding their own links, downloads, news, content, etc. and be more welcoming for the new breed of Linux user we're seeing - as you say, be nice to the newbies (so why be an arse to the people who are trying to help?!).
From ALUG's site I thought there were regional ones which "link in" and
I presumed I would be one of those, and I hope we'll help each other.
Steve/admin/oddb0d/fatty/smelly/etc.
</rant>
On 22-Jul-2004 LUGE Admin wrote:
<rant> Look girls, the reason why I called myself admin is because a certain person no doubt would have moaned at me if I'd left my business sig on there and I couldn't think of anything else to call myself for the site, and every other lug seems to have an admin, and being the person that "administers" the site, I thought admin would be quite ideal. You can't win ;) I'm about as far away from a sysadmin as you can get, so the last thing I want to be called is admin. Big boy maybe, but that's another discussion entirely ;)
The reason why there's a website there instead of mailman is because that's what I do all day long, so instead of learning how to use something else, I thought I would provide an environment which has the capabilities to be useful, for example people adding their own links, downloads, news, content, etc. and be more welcoming for the new breed of Linux user we're seeing - as you say, be nice to the newbies (so why be an arse to the people who are trying to help?!).
Steve/admin/oddb0d/fatty/smelly/etc.
</rant>
Steve
Whatever other people think I thoroughly approve of the site. Just thought you might like to know that :-)
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-----Original Message----- From: main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of LUGE Admin Sent: 22 July 2004 17:02 To: alug Subject: Re: [ALUG] Linux User Group for Essex is here!
<rant> Look girls, the reason why I called myself admin is because a certain person no doubt would have moaned at me if I'd left my business sig on there and I couldn't think of anything else to call myself for the site, and every other lug seems to have an admin, and being the person that "administers" the site, I thought admin would be quite ideal. You can't win ;) I'm about as far away from a sysadmin as you can get, so the last thing I want to be called is admin. Big boy maybe, but that's another discussion entirely ;)
The reason why there's a website there instead of mailman is because that's what I do all day long, so instead of learning how to use something else, I thought I would provide an environment which has the capabilities to be useful, for example people adding their own links, downloads, news, content, etc. and be more welcoming for the new breed of Linux user we're seeing - as you say, be nice to the newbies (so why be an arse to the people who are trying to help?!).
From ALUG's site I thought there were regional ones which "link in" and
I presumed I would be one of those, and I hope we'll help each other.
Steve/admin/oddb0d/fatty/smelly/etc.
</rant>
Who give a s**t what you call yourselves. Have meetings, drink beer, talk about foss/gnu/linux. All sounds good to me. Good luck with it and if any of us aluggers can be of any help just shout on the list. I would hope that if any of us aluggers decide to turn up at your meetings to drink beer, talk about foss/gnu/linux you will make us as welcome as we will to you.
Cheers, BigJohn (who couldn't admin a p***up in a brewery but would have fun trying)
Cheers! Anyone's more than welcome to come down and I will no doubt be calling on the ever-growing resources the ALUGers seem to have - I've plenty of boxes and stuff lying around which can be put to use, and the obligatory 21" fixed-frequency weighs-a-ton monitor ;)
ps - you got double email probs too or did I just receive two?
On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 20:19, John Woodard wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of LUGE Admin Sent: 22 July 2004 17:02 To: alug Subject: Re: [ALUG] Linux User Group for Essex is here!
<rant> Look girls, the reason why I called myself admin is because a certain person no doubt would have moaned at me if I'd left my business sig on there and I couldn't think of anything else to call myself for the site, and every other lug seems to have an admin, and being the person that "administers" the site, I thought admin would be quite ideal. You can't win ;) I'm about as far away from a sysadmin as you can get, so the last thing I want to be called is admin. Big boy maybe, but that's another discussion entirely ;)
The reason why there's a website there instead of mailman is because that's what I do all day long, so instead of learning how to use something else, I thought I would provide an environment which has the capabilities to be useful, for example people adding their own links, downloads, news, content, etc. and be more welcoming for the new breed of Linux user we're seeing - as you say, be nice to the newbies (so why be an arse to the people who are trying to help?!).
From ALUG's site I thought there were regional ones which "link in" and
I presumed I would be one of those, and I hope we'll help each other.
Steve/admin/oddb0d/fatty/smelly/etc.
</rant>
Who give a s**t what you call yourselves. Have meetings, drink beer, talk about foss/gnu/linux. All sounds good to me. Good luck with it and if any of us aluggers can be of any help just shout on the list. I would hope that if any of us aluggers decide to turn up at your meetings to drink beer, talk about foss/gnu/linux you will make us as welcome as we will to you.
Cheers, BigJohn (who couldn't admin a p***up in a brewery but would have fun trying)
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On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 02:16:02PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-07-22 14:11:52 +0100 MJ Ray mjr@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
Because of the above suspicions, I'd appreciate this staying off-list so I don't start a flamewar. You emailed me off-list first, anyway.
Well, I was well and truly conned there! :-( An off-list reply with the Reply-To pointing at the list. I am rather upset that some list members indulge in such skullduggery. Whatever next?
People might check the to address when they compose e-mails rather than rushing around like loons all the time... I think that's somewhere near next.
*Falls asleep through lack of caffiene*
* On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 02:16:02PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Well, I was well and truly conned there! :-( An off-list reply with the Reply-To pointing at the list. I am rather upset that some list members indulge in such skullduggery. Whatever next?
Apologies for that. I was the one that didn't check where my mail was going to properly first. I'm used to lists automatically setting Reply-To, so forgot to edit the 'To' field in that email (and I automatically set my Reply-To & unset it if I want the reply to be off-list). Sorry. :(
I did it again too. Re-sent to the list, as I wanted this to be a public apology.
* On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 02:11:52PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2004-07-22 13:03:27 +0100 Simon Williams alug@no-dns-yet.org.uk wrote:
- On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 12:29:28AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sorry you felt you couldn't help ALUG serve Essex better.
I think it was mainly the name that could cause confusion. It it stayed part of ALUG, it would be the Chelmsford branch, which might make some people think that it's more localised than it is.
Why not an Essex branch, like the mid-Suffolk one?
I don't see why not. As long as there's a functional LUG nearby, I don't really mind what it's called. What do you think, Steve?
I suspect this has more to do with some people wanting to be called "admin" like in all the worst LUGs, but I hope I'm wrong and wish it the best.
Thanks for the wishes. If you don't mind me saying, I think you are wrong on that. Steve seems to be more concerned with advancing the LUG and getting a meeting organised than calling himself "admin".
Because of the above suspicions, I'd appreciate this staying off-list so I don't start a flamewar. You emailed me off-list first, anyway.
As I've just said in another reply, apologies for that. I've now set up mutt's mailing list handling so it shouldn't happen again.
On 2004-07-22 14:39:40 +0100 Simon Williams alug@no-dns-yet.org.uk wrote:
As I've just said in another reply, apologies for that. I've now set up mutt's mailing list handling so it shouldn't happen again.
OK, understood. One day, one of its users will patch mutt to support List-Post and friends.
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