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Re: [Alug] Newbie needs help
by linux user stuff 08 May '01

08 May '01

On Mon 07 May, Ashley T. Howes wrote: > on 6/5/01 11:11 pm, linux user stuff at linux(a)wymondham.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Following a successful install of RedHat 6.0 on an older machine I have > > recently changed to a Mandrake 7.2 and a quicker machine with all the > > bells and whistles on the motherboard. This includes networking, sound [snip] > Mandrake is normally quite good at picking up the correct sound and network > card during installation. You need to consult your motherboard > documentation to find out what chipset is being used for sound and network. > If you are lucky a module should be available for the kernel to get your > network/sound working. Mandrake has the redhat linuxconf config utility > which makes setting this up easier. There is a GUI to this tool. Logon as > root, KDE session. Double click on DrakConf. I know I shouldn't but I normally log on as root but I'm the only person using the machine. > If your network and sound card are not available as modules then you may > need to compile source code. Check the website of your > motherboard/sound/network card provider for support information wrt using > linux. > If a module is *.o then that's on the hard drive. I get the message /lib/modules/2.2.17-21mdk/net/sis900.o init-module: Device or resource is busy, similarly for sound. I thought I might need to start editing some files to have the system point to the module but plainly it's seeing it. David Freeman said - do a more /proc/pci Did that and it came back with a lot of stuff but the only valid bit was stuff about the vendor - SIS, device ID=7018, IRQ 11 and I/O addresses. It said similar thing about the Ethernet controller with the device ID as 900 (see above in the bit about the module) and IRQ still as 11 and different I/O addresses of course. I've been trying to find some info on the web about sound and it suggested I look at modules.conf. Did that and in that file it says this - alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-trident post-install snd-card-trident modprobe snd-pcm-oss and for the LAN stuff alias eth0 sis900 alias eth1 sis900 So do I edit/delete any of that or leave well alone? ;-) -- __ __| |_ __ __ .------------------------------------------. / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:linux@wymondham.demon.co.uk | \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |__________________________________________|

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Re: [Alug] List splitting
by MJ Ray 08 May '01

08 May '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > d) Alug for general LINUX help and chat, ALUG-announce (announcements > only) and then secret-admirers (for chat about hacking type stuff like No, I think I'm going to side with Andrew here and leave the alug list itself alone. We ought to get -announce back up and maybe add -help or -newbies. > News != good. to much risk of spamming. It's more that in order to allow news posts to forward to the list, we'd need to stop checking for posters being valid list members. There may be a way around this, but I need to look. > 5. upto date archives so people can view the list via the web. 4 surely? Are the archives broken? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] -newbie list
by Peter Delf 08 May '01

08 May '01

>----- Original Message ----- >From: "MJ Ray" <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> >To: "Peter Delf" <p.delf(a)uea.ac.uk> >Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 8:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Alug] -newbie list > >SYS U1? u99....? Surely not? ;-) Changed my course from Computer Systems Engineering (4 year) to Computer Science (3 year). Back in first year again. Joy. >-- >MJR

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MS Access
by David Freeman 07 May '01

07 May '01

Yet another email from me. I need a app for linux which is compatable with MS access and provides most of the same functionality as Access. The reason being is my next college assignment is to design a database in access which is handed in in access format. unfortunatly my idea of a shell script using text files and sed/awk/grep didn't go down well :o( So can anyone suggest a suitable app? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Increasing spam
by MJ Ray 07 May '01

07 May '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > The first and easiest is to make subscription into a two step process. I think it already is. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Library ...
by David Freeman 07 May '01

07 May '01

-- Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:02:08AM -0700, David Freeman wrote: > > > But I've just written my first kernel MODULE!!! and it work, which > was > > a big surprise > > What does it do? Prints Hello World of course, a programmer like you should know that thats the first program you always right :o) Seriously when you insmod it it prints hello world. and when you rmmod it prints goodbye cruel world. > > One language I don't want to learn is C++. > > I am interested as to why you should say that. > > I get the impression that there are many people who think that C++ > isn't a terribly pure language or that it doesn't have a particularly > clean design. It is, however, very sucessful. True, bit like windows :o) > I don't think there is any doubt that a language such as C++ is a > compromise as C was before it, but compromise isn't necessarily bad. Exactly, and a compromise is the worst parts of all solutions. The language I am liking at the moment is java, it just makes sense with the OO design etc... > Considering C, I would suggest that without a language like C there > would be no portable OS like Unix and Linux. Writing in Assembler > would give the required level of run time efficiency and the ability > to talk to the hardware when required but not the portability, and > just about every other language would have been too inefficient, or > unable to access the hardware at the required level. I would agree, C was one of those things which changed history, without it we would never have the computer revolution we have now. It is however over 30 yrs old, which means it's not as modern and good as a language which was designed recently. > When it comes to the emergence of C++ I would suggest that run time > efficiency was still a concern, but there was the added incentive to > use C++ - compatibility with C. Agreed. > As time goes by, run time efficiency is becoming less of a concern > and > p-code and interpreted languages are now quite realistic for > "serious" > applications - even so, someone in our office was complaining today > how > much slower the Oracle GUI tools written in Java (8.1.6) are than the > previous ones (7.3.4) not written in Java (I would guess at C++ but > that is just a guess). Exactly, some of the things which in the past would be written such that they would run fast, but now powerful hardware can coverup alot of bad practice. > > I Am amazed that there is such a holy war about programming > > languages, particully the language people first learnt was there > > favourite and all others are programmed as if they were using the > > first language. > > I'm not sure that this is the case. There is with alot of people I know who program. > The first language I learnt was BASIC on the Sinclair ZX81. All > variable names had to be kept short, there were no blocks, no named > functions or procedures, IF statements couldn't have an ELSE part, > there was no DO WHILE or REPEAT UNTIL so there had to be lots of > GOTOs > and GOSUBs. BBC basic @ 9 yrs old, horrible language, then Visual Basic - I agree with ESR "about as uch fun as a picnic in a toxic waste dump" Z80 assembler and then C. Since learing C I have learnt Java and it makes more sense to me than procedural programming. > I would not be caught programming now in the way that I had to for > that version of basic. Take a look at your older code, you will notice you did very BASIC things in C, I know I have tried these things. > I think it may be the case though that the general methodology that > one first learns becomes the default. Those people whose first taste > was with procedural programming may always find that more natural > than > OO or the kind of thinking required for Advanced use of SQL. Yes I would agree with this. Thanks D > Steve. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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-newbie list
by Peter Delf 07 May '01

07 May '01

I like the idea of starting a -newbie list to separate the beginners from the hardcore. I think all this talk about PHP/mySQL/XML databases and stuff is enough to scare off anyone thinking of trying Linux. Not quite a linux user, yet. My first post, thankyou. /( )` \ \___ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ Peter Delf O O ) / | p.delf(a)uea.ac.uk `-^--'`< ' (_.) _ ) / SYS U1, `.___/` / University of East Anglia, `-----' / Norwich, <----. __ / __ \ Norfolk, <----|====O)))==) \) /====England <----' `--' `.__,' \ | | http://www.uea.ac.uk/~u9947868 \ / ______( (_ / \______ ,' ,-----' | \ `--{__________) \/

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List splitting
by MJ Ray 07 May '01

07 May '01

This list is getting busy now and some people are unsubscribing because of the volume. What should we do? 1. Do nothing. Leave alug@stu as the one list and hope people use digest etc to filter it. 2. Split list. Break certain topics off into other lists. a) alug (LUG traffic only), alug-announce (announcements only), alug-talk (general chatter not necessarily ALUG-related) b) alug (as it has been usually), alug-hackers (in-depth tech talk) c) alug (as it has been this week), alug-help (general help) 3. Gateway onto a private news server somewhere. Should make it easier for people to only download stuff they want, but is possibly incompatible with the previously-discussed spam blocking. 4. Something else. -- MJR

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Newbie needs help
by linux user stuff 07 May '01

07 May '01

Hi, Following a successful install of RedHat 6.0 on an older machine I have recently changed to a Mandrake 7.2 and a quicker machine with all the bells and whistles on the motherboard. This includes networking, sound and USB. I don't have any USB devices but I'm blowed if I can get networking or sound working. The error is similar in both cases. The machine complains that the device or resource is busy. The only book I have refers to RH 4 something and I've lent that to somebody so it's not immediately to hand. Can anybody offer sensible suggestions as to how I can fix these problems? TIA. -- __ __| |_ __ __ .------------------------------------------. / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:linux@wymondham.demon.co.uk | \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |__________________________________________|

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Re: [Alug] Increasing spam
by MJ Ray 07 May '01

07 May '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > > 2. We can lock the list down so that only subscribed addresses can > > sent without being approved. > Seems a reasonable course of action. We don't get many unsubscribed valid > people wanting to post, do we? Until we throw the switch, I can't tell. So, everyone, take this as a warning: make sure *now* that your emails appear to come from the same email address as you are subscribed from. In a few days, the list settings will be changed to allow only subscribers to post without approval. All others will be held for review (not bounced). > > 6. We can ask Brett to hook the list software up to ORBS or MAPS. > Seems fair. Brett, are you out there? Can you make exim add warning headers to matches on the blackhole lists, please? Then I will hold anything generating an ORBS or MAPS-RBL warning for approval. -- MJR

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