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Re: [Alug] bash script...
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > if [ $i == $DIRECTORY && $i != "." || $i != ".." ] ; Almost certainly that line wants [ ]s around each test (man test and man bash to see why). Use Brett's way though. Much nicer.

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test message
by Brett Parker 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

OK, this is just to see if I have now stopped my self from being blocked and having to wait for admins to approve the mails, please ignore, delete, set fire to, whatever ;) Brett

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Re: [Alug] cron job
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > when I first started using linux, I was logged in as root and typed Don't you think that root and the -f flag really don't mix? I also su lots for very short spaces of time these days too ;-)

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The Java Debate
by tom potts 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Just a few comments: C# looks interesting but is designed by Microsoft to Lock you in - they've already stated that in the future they will be charging for the XML standards. Froma design point of view its a bit of a mish mash of old technologies glued together. If theres a design flaw in Microsoft they provide a work around. Java is meant to be multi-platform and if there is a design flaw Sun have the temerity to go back and rip up all the previous work and start again. If you get a chance check out Forte - the Java IDE its free for now and runs on Windows/Solaris/Linux and if it doesnt scare the hell out of Microsoft i'll be surprised. Now some added bitching: As a Microsoft Technet user I was offered extra free information at the technet site. I went in and was told to fill in a Passport (all the usual lies for any market research). And on returning to the site I discovered it couldnt use the passport data and I would have to enter it all again to get my free info. Anyone know what it was? Beware trends: XML provides little more (over EDI peer to peer) than a nice way to view Data. But ask yourself why you would want to view data that is meant to be pumped straight into your business system? Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] locale
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Andrew.Chandler(a)ftid.com writes: > Just one of those strange things about our country - we are the UK > but for some purposes we have to be GB? Like at the Olympics etc. I think it's something like ISO says GB, but reality often says UK. Sometimes reality beats a standard.

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Re: [Alug] Mail Clients Which one do you use?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > Is that part of emacs? I must start to play with emacs one day. It runs in Emacs or XEmacs, yes. Whether it is "part of" Emacs would be a very contentious issue.

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Who .NEEDS it ...?
by Earl Brannigan 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi All, Following these .NET threads I couldn't help smiling. C#...?? Sorry, who needs another 'C/C++' like language. (I trust everyone realises the # is a ++ on ++, ie C# is C++++ (NOT!!!). C++ is a well defined mature standardised programming language. I can already write cross platform code with it. OK I need to compile on whatever platform but compilers are very compliant, and if I use posix api for threads and standard winsock api etc etc .... you get the picture. So why would I want to move to an immature, unproven, non-standard(yet) mechanism driven by the one company on this planet that I actually HATE. If C++ isn't up to what I need then Java can fill that gap usually, but there are all the other Perl/Python/yadayayada etc that I can also get into. Open, standardised, mature, robust. There is nothing Sharp about C#, it is a blatant plagiarism of Java. As such it is very blunt. Runtime engine, garbage collector, libraries. Sorry that's Java. And if I want something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, I'll get a duck thank you very much. My 2 penneth. Hailstorm??? Sorry, M$ do not have a very good record with authentication services.... PPTP anyone ? .NET, my .ARSE Earl

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Re: [Alug] locale
by Andrew.Chandler＠ftid.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I'm not a Debian user, so it might do it differently, but you might find the locale is 'en_gb'. Just one of those strange things about our country - we are the UK but for some purposes we have to be GB? Like at the Olympics etc. Weird? We don't even have a national Football or Cricket team?!?! Rant over.. Bing Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> on 19/07/2001 12:45:16 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: [Alug] locale RFC822 message headers Hello, Ive had this problem since installing Debian (potato), having no success in fixing it.. Its an annoyance more than anything: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_UK" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Looking around for help, a few people mention running 'locale-gen'. I dont have this on my system, should I? Any other ideas would be appreciated, thanks Andrew. _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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Visit from Tim.
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

All, I got this email from Josette at O'Reilly. I hope some of you can come. Tim O'Reilly has been one of thr driving forces behing Free software. MOre info on Tim can be found at http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/tim_bio.html Hope to see some of you there. Thanks D --- Josette Garcia <josette(a)oreilly.co.uk> wrote: Hi David Hope you are interested in the following. Tim O'Reilly will be at BT Labs on Wed. 9th August. You are all cordially invited to attend the talk. To register, please contact library(a)bt.com with name, affiliation and need of car park facility. Description of the talk - Title: The Pause before the Next Wave Speaker: Tim O'Reilly, President and CEO, O'Reilly & Associates Content: With this year's high-tech slowdown in full swing, programmers, web developers, system administrators, and other IT professionals are suddenly facing an uncertain future, as their stock options go underwater and layoffs replace seemingly bottomless demand for people with tech skills. The dotcom party has turned into an industry-wide hangover. But can this really be the end of an era? Date: Wednesday 8th August Venue: BT, Martlesham Heath Time: 15.00 That's all for now. All the best Josette ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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.NET has hope
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Found this on a O'Rielly website " In 1998, we helped found ActiveState in order to make Perl more accessible to Windows users. ActiveState's ASPN product line now provides tools, support, and services for Perl, Python, and XSLT, and Visual Studio plug-ins for these languages so that they can be used with Microsoft's new .Net framework. " Thanks D PS Earl, I like the .ARSE idea. Especially as in diving ARSE stands far Always the Right Stuff for the Evironment! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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