January 2002 - main

Re: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by MJ Ray 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

Ricardo: > LOL I knew you Deb guys would bite! ;-) Well, if you will wave such a silly comparison at us ;-) > Yes, the Red Hat Update requires registration, but they do not block It's still a single source supplier and they want your data for something, I'm sure. > What I was impressed with was that I had EVERYTHING working within 4 hours > ( except the slight internet hiccup and my USB CD-writer). Leaving me time > to d o fun stuff like not using my computer. ;) Yes, but that's probably just a simple case of having a better match for their Hardware Compatibility List than you did for Debian. Debian itself is also *very* cautious in trying to autodetect things, in case it locks the machine up. > With Debian I floundered with no usable X installation for.... well, > weeks, before I gave up. [...] I still quite don't understand what your problem is there, actually. You either go with X3 and an old kernel, or use the X4s with a new kernel. Not exactly rocket science... > just saying I got this working to my satisfaction very quickly, it does every > thing I want, and does it well with the minimum of fuss. Good luck. I hope you don't get burnt by the RPM problems that put me off for life (hey, when's RPMv5 coming out? ;-) ) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by MJ Ray 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

Neill: > > > Yes, the Red Hat Update requires registration, but they do not block > > It's still a single source supplier and they want your data for something, > > I'm sure. > All software, by default, is single sourced, so what's that got to do > with anything ? "By default"? Well, debian has multiple sources of supply, including multiple distributions which you can move between. > The updates are freely available on all mirror sites, you don't /have/ > to use up2date, I don't, they aren't getting marketing info out of me ;) No, I know you have your own solutions. > > Good luck. I hope you don't get burnt by the RPM problems that put me off > > for life (hey, when's RPMv5 coming out? ;-) ) > you must be doing something wrong, I don't have any problems with RPM, Good for you. Every time they bump a major version, they seem to forget the small matter of backwards compatibility. > and now with the apt-rpm proggie dependency resolution (which seems to > be the biggest argument) the comparision between apt and rpm is very > very minimal.. The comparison isn't so much between apt and rpm, as between dpkg and rpm. dpkg's deb files contain much better dependency information (ie package namess instead of files), so I would expect apt on top of rpm has to work rather harder to resolve dependencies. I also think that rpm doesn't have as many types of relationships between packages defined, but that may have been fixed in v4. -- MJR

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CLUG >< ALUG Transport/RH7.2 Updates
by James 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

RE: 1) CLUG <> ALUG transportation for the Cambridge non car types 2) RedHat 7.2 Update CD situation / Nasty Kernel security bugs Folks I've only seen one post about lift sharing arrangements (from Johnathon Fine). No answers so far seen by me on the list. Can we use the CLUG list to get organized please? One kind ALUG person came back to me by private email, but may not be able to offer a lift share in their car in both directions. I plan to be at CLUG CB2 from approx 1145 onwards this Sunday. Anyone coming in (by car) with the intention of moving on to ALUG ( and coming back to Cambridge afterwards?) And able to offer lift share space. There is myself, Doug and possibly Johnathon looking for a lift share on Sunday. Posts to the CLUG list of folk with cars and vacant seat space, willing to offer lifts from/back to Cambridge would be appreciated. 2) REDHAT 7.2 Update CD Collection Work in Progress: The RedHat 7.2 Update CD I did last week is being obsoleted as I post! Do be aware of a nasty VPN DoS issue with the current production UPDATED kernel! Also, an even nastier security hazard to the 2.2 series kernel affecting all kernels <= 2.2.18 The kernel security issues are not just RedHat specific. See: https://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh72-errata.html Downloading / collating / checking all the new KDE / Kernel / XFree updates is the biggest bandwidth burden. I won't be done with this until late Friday (_if_ the European mirrors pick up all the most recent changes overnight, which I doubt). Fingers crossed - even with only a 50K dial-up, I'll have RedHat7.2 Update collection CDrs available by Sunday. Taking orders for any CLUG or ALUG folk that want me to burn them copies if I get done in time... Minimum cost: media replacement; tips to repay the effort spent on this exercise are entirely optional, even if I am skint! --James

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RE: [Alug] Help on Mandrake 8.1 please!I had no trouble with 6.4 to 8.0 Mandrake, but what am I doing wrong
by Ricardo Campos 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

> Good advice from Syd it does save on downlaod time but will always be out of > date so it's well worth adding the ftp update site to the defined sources. If you're lucky enough to have a good ISP that doesn't disconnect you after 3 hours, and a unmetered connection, you can keep pretty up-to-date over a couple of nights. (I don't tend to use my phone at 4am-but keep my mobile on while it's charging in case of emergencies). The only problem is when there's a problem, which occurred once, when the ftp server itself hiccupped- aborting all cued d/l's. Of course, I could've added some mirrors... Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Help on Mandrake 8.1 please!I had no trouble with 6.4 to 8.0 Mandrake, but what am I doing wrong
by terryfilby 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

> I had no trouble with 6.4 to 8.0 Mandrake, but what am I doing wrong > with 8.1. Went to Konqueror as usual, pressed Mnt and CDRom - nothing > happened. I've now tried typing in MOUNT /Dev/cdrom/ /mnt/cdrom - then - > cd /mnt/cdrom - and can then get a view of the RPM's in Konqueror, but, > afterwards I have to umount - there must be an easier way to get to the > RPM's, but what? > > Thanks > > Terry > >

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Re: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Earl, > This is not possible under Debian, you have to learn another way > (make-kpkg). No, only if you want it packaged for the distribution. You can still lob random files (eg a kernel) in random locations (eg /boot) if you want, but why make life hard for yourself? > Standards (especially de-facto) are a good thing. There should always be a > choice between the Standard and any extensions which an individual distro > may have added. The only major distribution shipping a less tailored kernel than debian, when last I looked, was Slackware. With debian, you can download a Linus kernel and compile it into a package without editing the kernel files -- how cool is that? > As I say - not knocking make-kpkg, its actually very good. But is it not > possible to alter the install files to update the apt database when > installing a kernel using make ? Only if you buggered about with the standard kernel Makefile. Debian doesn't want to do that, so you have make-kpkg. So, which do you want? Proper kernel which you can package, or buggered kernel which you can make "properly"? > PS. written word does not convey tongue firmly planted in cheek, please bare > this in mind prior to slamming me. Life's too short. :oP Indeed ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

> [...] (including up2date- their security update tool), Hrm? Doesn't that require registration? > So, I would have to reccommend it highly, even though I know some people on t > his list will have vociferous opinions against it! ;) Yes, I'd recommend Mandrake ahead of it and would probably suggest looking at the "install once, upgrade forever" Debian. Has anyone tried demudi yet? -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

LOL I knew you Deb guys would bite! ;-) Yes, the Red Hat Update requires registration, but they do not block freemail accounts, or require any kind of activation code for the security updates. (i.e. give em a temporary hotmail acct and fake address and name if you want) Software updates other than that are achievable through www.freshrpms.net or rpmfind.net, and doesn't require as much fiddling as Mandrake... (Mandrakes' claim of 99% compatability with RH RPMS is I think, cough, *massively* overstated). What I was impressed with was that I had EVERYTHING working within 4 hours ( except the slight internet hiccup and my USB CD-writer). Leaving me time to do fun stuff like not using my computer. ;) With Debian I floundered with no usable X installation for.... well, weeks, before I gave up. This is for a home use computer, not a server btw. You wouldn't really bother with a super-dooper Geforce AGP card in a server, would you? (well, maybe if you're fond of Quake3 on your LAN! ;) I guess time will tell whether I will prefer Deb or RH as a standalone home PC or not. I'm not saying Deb sux, I'm just saying I got this working to my satisfaction very quickly, it does everything I want, and does it well with the minimum of fuss. Anyway, there are pros and cons, hence why I'm doing a little HTML review. (eventually) ______________________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] c compiler prob
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Richard Kettlewell wrote: >Are you trying to install individual *.deb files that you have >downloaded from somewhere, or trying to use an interface such as >dselect or apt that tries to resolve dependencies for you >automatically? Using apt-get. "dpkg --audit" - executing this doesn't do anything. >My experience is that mixing 'stable' and 'testing' is more hassle >than it's worth; better to pick one and stick with it. It was more of an idiotic disaster than an intentional thing. MJRay wrote: >Jenny: > I'm getting the error message "C compiler cannot create executables" when > trying to compile something. >Is that because you don't have part of the compiler toolchain installed >(bin86 and friends)? I don't think I do - dselect is offering to install an enormous num,ber of things, including bin86. It is asking for the cdrom, which is at home alas, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow. Grrrrr. >try "apt-get --reinstall install libc6" to see if >it resolves it "reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" I've done apt-get clean, update and upgrade,. Many thanks to all for suggestions. I'll try dselect again tomorrow when i have the cdrom here and see if that mends its brokenness. Jenny.

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RedHat7.2
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Thanks to Martyn, I now have RedHat 7.2 on my system at home. I'm in the process of doing a comparison between RH7.2 and Mandrake8.0 (I know that's not exactly fair!) to put up on the web. But to cut a long story short: *Jumps up and down, grins widely* IT ROCKS!!!!!! Other than the rp3 hiccup, everything works beautifully, ALL my hardware, ALL the programs, security seems good (including up2date- their security update tool), in fact some things I thought would take endless hours took a matter of a few minutes. So, I would have to reccommend it highly, even though I know some people on this list will have vociferous opinions against it! ;) Of course, this is all in the light of the AOL-TW > RH rumours, but still. It rocks. ;) _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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