July 2002 - main - earth.li

Two GNOME or not two GNOME?
by Keith Watson 08 Jul '02

08 Jul '02

Suggestions and/or opinions please.... I've now got a stable GNU/Linux system (2.4.18) and I've installed XFree86 and added the NVidia drivers (can't remember the versions). So far so good. I've just finished installing Gnome 1.4 and Enlightenment and they work OK (more or less :o) ). I've come to loathe the Docbook system (see http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/docbook/) which Gnome seems to want to use. Docbook seems to have all sorts of pre-requisites, some of which seem to only be installable via RPM. I'm not sure I have it installed properly or if it's working at all!! but Gnome seems to be running OK so I'll live with it. Questions; 1) Is KDE any easier to install? 2) Should I consider moving Gnome 2? 3) Is Sawfish any better than Enlightenment (and why :o) ) ? 4) Before I do anything else I want to install a Web browser but which one? Regards, Keith Watson ____________ >From the first not a thing is. Hui-neng --- This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Kewill Systems plc. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 01/07/02

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AIU-Anglian Insomniacs United
by Kelly Ash 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

New association, possibly? *G* It's okay, I'm in, but spending the time straightening out Bills mess so that I can get down to installing a 'proper' OS. Or at the very least, trying to install and trying even harder to look extremely capable of doing so. Still gathering all (pre)install suggestions/advice for the big day/night/week/fortnight......gratefully! Kelly Message: 12 Reply-To: <kpwatson(a)luna.co.uk> From: "Keith Watson" <kpwatson(a)luna.co.uk> To: "ALUG" <main(a)lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk> Subject: RE: [Alug] Humour: Introducing Monday Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:50:28 +0100 Hello there's another insomniac on the list!! :o) Damn I should've told Kelly that was a pre-requisite for a Linux install!

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A funny modem problem
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 06 Jul '02

06 Jul '02

By that I mean a funny 'modem problem' not a 'funny modem' problem. I have an old US Robotics 28k ISA modem in one of my machines here and I want to use it to connect via dial-up to try something. It certainly used to work but now it won't. I can query the modem from a terminal window and kppp will do the same but I cannot get it to dial. It goes through the motions but no dialling tone sound or any dialling sound although it is set to have the speaker on until it connects. After trying it 'disconnects' and tries again. If I disconnect the telephone lead from the telephone socket it makes no difference. It still runs through the same process without, apparently, recognising that there is no dialling tone. I have checked the telephone lead on another machine and it appears to be in perfect working order. I'm out of ideas. Anyone? Barry Samuels

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Linux in the movies..
by Martyn Drake 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hi folks, Linux User have finally gotten around to PDFing the article on The Moving Picture Company's use of Linux. It's now available at:- http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue20/lu20-Linux_at_work-In_the_pictu… Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake | Email : martyn-d(a)moving-picture.com Systems Administrator | Web : http://www.moving-picture.com The Moving Picture Company | Phone : +44 (0)20 7494 7853

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Re: List address (was RE: [Alug] The last of the true hackers?)
by Keith Watson 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> > ====================== > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > ====================== > > > Right. That's it. I've bitten my tongue long enough. > > The email address for the AUG list is NOT: > main(a)lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk > > ... it is: > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > aaaggghhh!!! IT THE VOLKSPOLITZEI!! RUN!!!! :o) :o)

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Re: [Alug] cpu leak on sound apps
by Ricardo Campos 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> If the program is using almost exclusively user mode CPU then it would > suggest that the program has simpy got into an infinite loop due toa bug > in the program. Yeah, it shows 90+% user time. Only about 3% sys time. I tried an alternative kernel (no nvidia patch), same problem. I've filed a bug report for it. I'm pretty stumped at the moment. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] OT: opennap
by MJ Ray 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> Ah, so now you're saying that Windows apps have a higher standard than GNU > ones? *giggle* No and I think you know that. Companies producing proprietary code are more likely to optimise the program out of the box sooner than a free software project because the users can only say yes or no to the software, not work on it themselves. Of course, "premature optimisation" is a well-known way to condemn a program to failure. > [...] little think about it. (user/serach nodes) Time to learn CVS... Brokenness that it is. Anyway, if you're going to be silly, I'll leave you to your own counsel. -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] The last of the true hackers?
by Ricardo Campos 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

> OK you got me there, what's a "script kiddy"? Teenagers who download ready-made scripts and use them to crack into systems. Typically, they shouldn't actually understand the language that the script was written in. They seem to hang out in IRC, and annoy anyone who uses correct english 1n5t34d 0f 5p3||ing 3v3ryth1ng \/\/|tH Nu/\/\83rs. I think it's an online reaction to real-world social rejection. Either that, or they think it makes them look clever. Who knows? Who cares? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] OT: opennap
by Ricardo Campos 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Mark wrote:- >Oh, that's surprising. I thought one of the main >proprietary Windows clients now used the gnutella >network. I'd be surprised if they'd tolerate >such poor performance. Sure you had your settings >right? Ah, so now you're saying that Windows apps have a higher standard than GNU ones? *giggle* Actually, there may be some truth in that, since Windoze users tend not to tolerate beta software like we do. The gnutella network was crap on Windows too, IIRC. Although, not as crap as Limewire or GTK-Gnutella (I presume you're referring to Morpheus).Audiogalaxy was by far the most efficient system I've used so far, no worries if clients disconnect. As for performance, I tried disabling my firewall (actually, that really only helped THEM, not me). The real problem was clients disappearing (i.e. disconnecting), which is as much a social thing as anything. It just then caused you to have to connect to someone else, and so on... high overhead. I guess it would be possible to do an openAG. It needs a database (pick one of many), web interface to the database (php?) and client that can resume downloads (hack an FTP client).The big problem with that is that most ISP's firewall off http requests to home users, to stop them from running webservers on their DSL/cable modem lines. Thinking about it, the web interface is optional, since it was just a neat way for AG to get some revenue- from marketing. Well, I'm gonna have a look at giFT and see what's up. After a cursory look, it seemed to have a similar solution to the ones I came up with when I had a little think about it. (user/serach nodes) Time to learn CVS... Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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The last of the true hackers?
by Keith Watson 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

There's an interesting article in Computing about an interview with... er... er.. well it must've been good 'cause I've already forgotten his name.. you know the GNU/Linux guy. Anyway read it for yourself if you're interested <http://www.computing.co.uk/Features/1133127> ____________ Our destiny is shaped by our thoughts and our actions. We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust the sails. --- This message has been scanned for computer viruses and none have been detected. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/2002

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