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Cross-platform video messaging
by Graham 05 Mar '05

05 Mar '05

Can anyone offer suggestions for hardware and software suitable for running point-to-point video messaging between Linux (KDE) and Windows? The aim, naturally, being to chat for hours with pictures and without incurring phone bills. I haven't been keeping up to date in this area. -- GT

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Job Vacancies in Manchester (Sale)
by Keith Watson 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

My firm (Kewill Systems) is recruiting at it's head office in Manchester (Sale). Not sure if this is the correct place to post this (sorry if it's not), but just in case it's of interest to anyone...... > From: Amanda Brandwood Sent: 04 March 2005 15:23 > > We are currently recruiting for the following vacancies at the Sale Office: > > J2EE Software Support Engineer > UNIX Systems Administrator (Linux) > Oracle Database Administrator > Experienced J2EE Developer > > > Should you be interested in this role, or know of anyone who > may have an interest, please visit the Kewill Intranet site > under the HR/Admin bookmark and look under Job Vacancies > where a copy of the relevant job description has been posted today. > > PLEASE NOTE THE CLOSING DATE FOR INTERNAL APPLICATIONS IS > FRIDAY 18TH MARCH 2005 Not sure what the closing date is for external applicants but if anyone is interested contact me off list and I'll forward a copy of the job description and contact details to you. Regards, Keith ____________ There is no here, no there. - Infinity is before our eyes. - Seng-T'san

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RE: [ALUG] Job Vacancies in Manchester (Sale)
by Keith Watson 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

> From: MJ Ray Sent: 04 March 2005 16:07 > Keith wrote: > > Not sure if this is the correct place to post this (sorry > if it's not), > > I don't think a high proportion of the list are looking for > new jobs right now and this isn't particularly Anglian, so > I'd suggest putting it somewhere else instead. As > http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq says: > > If you have a job to advertise then it also must be > Unix/Linux related [...], you also may > find that you will get a better response if you try listing at > > * http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs > Cheers MJ (next time I'll RTFF!! :o) ) Keith

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Re: [ALUG] Travel Towards Debian
by John Seago 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

On Friday 04 Mar 2005 06:26, Brett Parker wrote: > As for gnome stuff, why not just leave it there? are you short > on disk space? Sometimes the Gnome apps can be of use (AbiWord and > Gnumeric spring to mind here). I could just never get used to GNOME, and I think it may be the visual impact rather than anything else. As for AbiWord and Gnumeric, both come seperately IIRC on slackware, indeed I am using AbiWord as the latest KDE word processor has an annoying glitch. thank you for your help, I now have a start point with which to break Debian, but I findI earn a little with every disaster. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Travel Towards Debian
by John Seago 04 Mar '05

04 Mar '05

I have today looked back over the archives of the ALUG Main Lists. I see that I started, June-July 2001, with trying to get Mandrake to install, (new IDE cables cured the fault I seem to remember), but within that time I'd moved on to Red Hat, was pleased that it went in and worked didn't like it and had moved on to Slackware by December. Since then I've kept having tries at Debian. It was an ambition to get Debian installed, for the last week I've had it running and as long as one sticks to using KDE, there seems to be no recognisable difference between the two both stable both what I'm used to. I have however taken Debian out and re-installed the base system. I'd like to know if there is a way of getting what I have with Slackware, a text log-in for both user and root with the ability to switch to a GUI by using <startx>, and how does one get rid of the Gnome? There seems to be an awful lot of other stuff in there that Slackware doesn't seem to need to provide the same apps, are all these dependencies really necessary? -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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New Member
by Simon Marden 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

Hello People, New member to ALUG here. I am Technical Manager for Squeeze Your Mind Ltd, a web design agency based in Norwich. We've been trading for 3 years now, using Linux web servers, and producing our web sites using LAMP technology (the PHP flavour, not Python or Perl). Why do we like linux? Well, because of the very low initial costs of course. Personally, I am amazed by Linux on a daily basis. The things I can do with a Linux box, and for free, are astounding, and I'm blowing the OS's and the Linux communities trumpet here, not mine. Simon Marden SQUEEZE YOUR MIND LTD T: +44 (0)1603 437773 E: SIMON(a)SQUEEZEYOURMIND.CO.UK This message and its attachments (if applicable) is intended for the addressed recipients only, if you are not one of the intended recipients please treat this message as confidential and forward it to support(a)squeezeyourmind.co.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 27/02/2005

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Jonathan McDowell having difficulty with my posts to ALUG
by John Seago 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 03:25:16PM +0000, Jonathan McDowell wrote > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 06:48:13AM +0000, John Seago wrote something > that was in reply to an existing thread, but lacked In-Reply-To or > References headers. > > Can you fix your email client please? I originally thought KMail (which > is what your headers claim you're using) was broken, but there are other > ALUGers using it without breaking threads. It's much easier to read > lists when associated posts are kept together in my experience. I am indeed using Kmail, in fact the Kmail which comes with the KDE in Slackware 10.1 and I believe, Debian Sarge, both of which are installed on my computer. > It's been pointed out to you that you might be reading via a digest, Where, when and by whom? > in which case at least one of the digest options removes message ids. Is > there any chance you'd consider switching to a MIME based digest (which > I think should preserve a Message-Id header) or individual posts? You are right in assuming that I am reading, and writing in reply to, everything in the form of a daily digest, and, I had assumed, in plain text. I have, however, had a look at the seetings which inform me that there are two options MIME Compliant (Quoted Printable), which is the option set, or Allow 8 bit. There is a third possibility, I am broken, at waist level, and suffer from chronic pain. In the winter, when the pain is usually at its worst, I take quantities of drugs which have either been withdrawn from issue to new patients, fall into Class A, or are addictive. I had a bad year last year, and this cold winter has not improved matters. Pain and drugs diminish what little remaining intellect I had. so it may be that whilst I can remeber something, I will have difficulty in reading back to find it, sometimes such activity can be quite entertaining with the individual letters doing tiller girl routines across the page. I am, for about an hour after the regular doses, until they start to wear off about five to seven hours later, likely to be higher than a kite, either that or I am asleep. which is why you may find messages timed at 03.00 hrs as drugs have worn off before they were due to, and I am reading and replying to mail, until such time as I can have the next dose. Perhaps you could solve other problems I have with Digests, the FSFE digest arrives with each digest dated <Thu Jan 1 00:59:59 1970>. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Knighthood for services to... what?
by John Seago 03 Mar '05

03 Mar '05

I heard on the wireless today that the Queen has just given Bill Gates an Honourary Knighthood. I wonder who recomended that, and why? -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Fedora Core 3 and SATA
by Stuart Bailey 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Hi, Does anyone know if Fedora Core 3 will install and run on SATA disks? Many thanks, Stuart. -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Proprietor) (01953) 601294 (07778) 383739 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ---------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please email postmaster(a)linusoft.co.uk immediately. You should not copy or use this email or attachments for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. NO BINDING CONTRACT WILL RESULT FROM THIS E-MAIL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS A WRITTEN DOCUMENT IS SIGNED ON BEHALF OF LinuSoft. LinuSoft cannot accept any responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks. *************************************************************************

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Re: Linux Party
by John Seago 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

On Wednesday 02 Mar 2005 06:26, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > Iran is not going to be invaded by the UK, social > list subscribes already now there is a single issue > party to stop that, with several other parties > against. There is however no party actively supporting > FLOSS in East Anglia. Votes for a Linux > Party would show support for a positive progressive > idea, in an election filled with negativeaty. The Our World our Say Advertisement said "Our World Our Say was founded in response to the Iraq war with the aim of giving people a voice over world changing issues. We have since grown into a movement with over 60,000 people taking part in our campaigns. Our Vision of a world in which ordinary people have real power over decisions that affect our future. Our Mission: in a world where politicians are too influenced by large companies, media magnates and the President of the United States. Our World Our Say seeks to return Power to ordinary people by helping them find hteir political voice. By using modern technology, we are building a community that can influence decision makers as global conflict, human rights the future of the environment and defending democratic values." Note the "Mission" section would seem to cover the current software Patent situation neatly, I've written to ask what they intend to do, I'll let you know their reply. On the other hand as Ipswich always used to be a few hundred, sometimes less thatn two hundered either way that would seem to be the obvious target. I don't think you'd/we'd win though just possibly get one of the other candidatez in by taking away votes. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Re: Linux Political Party
by John Seago 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

I don't just listen to the wireless, I also read the papers, and I found an advertisement, which may help with the underlying problem which has manifested itself as a call for a Linux Political Party. See here: http://www.owos.info/ Why just a Linux Party? Why not include the BSD's, and others, take a look here: http://www.freeos.com/ and I'm sure there are others. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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RE: [ALUG] New Member
by Keith Watson 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

> From: Anthony Anson Sent: 01 March 2005 02:10 > Or use a boot mangler - either a Linux one or a DOS/Windows one, and > then you can have both on the same box. ATM I have Bootmagic. (From > Partition Magic) I've moved from Bootmagic to GRUB and found it excellent. Can recommend it. Loads of howto's around on the web on how to set it up and a 5 second google turns up loads. Regards, Keith ____________ YEAR, n. - A period of three hundred and sixty-five disappointments. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [ALUG] Start-up folder
by Keith Watson 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

> From: Anthony Anson Sent: 01 March 2005 02:12 > The message <200502282244.10413.ALUGlist(a)digimatic.plus.com> > from Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.plus.com> contains > these words: > > > My only complaint about the whole look and feel of KDE and it's associated > > apps is the Logout applet, they really need to loose that Dragon !! > > Loosing dragons is contrary to the terms of the Countryside and Wildlife Act. Be wery careful, taglines about annoyed dragons, crunchyness and ketchup, spring to mind. Keith

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Re: Political Party
by tom potts 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

I think we have to try and democratise the EU first! http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050228115557661 Please hammer your euro Mps about this one. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

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RE: Linux Political Party
by John Seago 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

Perhaps this subject might be better transfered to the Social list? -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Spare computer hardware
by Graham 01 Mar '05

01 Mar '05

I expect to be moving house before too long and have the usual pile of kit that doesn't deserve the attentions of the removal men. Any takers for any of the following to save them from the skip? Two Bull P166 pizza-box type computers, each with a small (1-2G-ish) hard drive and modest amounts of memory (64MB as I recall). They run Linux happily in text mode and can be used as low-duty web servers or the like. One has a 14" monitor sitting on top that I seem to remember will do 1024x768; it was running Windows 98 until recently. Keyboards but the mice are in poor shape. Assorted drives: Fujitsu M1636TAU - labelled as 1.2GB Seagate ST31722A - labelled as 1.6GB Seagate ST3491A - a 428MB drive CD-ROMs: 2 x 48-speed, 1 x 24-speed, 1 x unlabelled. 2 x Matrox Millennium PCI graphics cards - probably only 2MB at most but they'll run at 1024x768. 1 x Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI card. 1 x USB Fax Modem - probably a WinModem. 2 x Intel Pentiums (Pentia?) with heatsinks/fans; probably about 100 or 200MHz but I can't decode the legends. And finally, a real treat: a Wyse 50 VDU in full working order. -- GT

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Political Action and/or Party's
by John Seago 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Adam wrote: > I would prefer it if we had a better voting system, e.g. one where you > can vote more than once, i.e. once for each party you support. > So the presence of a vote for party A and party B on my ballot paper and > a lack of a vote for party C in effect means that I don't care if A or B > win, but I certainly don't want to support C. > In preparation for the next general election I don't know if I can bring > myself to vote for any of the parties because they all suck, just some > more than others. If in effect I could vote for all the parties who were > crap instead of the ones that were totally crap then it wouldn't be a > total disaster. > This has the nice side effect that I could vote for single issue > parties, and when they get lots of votes people think that maybe the > issues they are raising are a good idea and the mainstream will take > them up. Adam try sending the above, exactly as it is to the Party's of your choice. I would recommend including 10 Downing Street. I spend most of the day at home in the winter, listening to Radio 4. Analysts seem to be of the opinion that the one fact that is worrying all party's is exactly the point of view you exhibit above. It would be interesting to see what kind of response you get, especially as the EU has decided that democracy is inimical to Microsoft's interests. I might even have a go at a similar exercise myself. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #465 - 17 msgs
by John Seago 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

On Monday 28 Feb 2005 14:52, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk wrote: > You missed my point then, the mainstream parties with the current system > don't care if you vote for a minority party (hell the liberal democrats > are a fairly mainstream party that suffers very often from the mentality > of the other voters "I would vote lib-dem but they won't get many votes, > so I won't vote for them". It makes no "real" difference with a single > vote if you spoil the ballot or vote for a minority party. Having re-installed since the Euro Election I'll have to dig through my archives to find what the Lib Dems said to me but I can assurue you it did make a difference to the Lib Dems. Still if you're not going to emigrate, I had the chance, but I'm now too old and broken, then the only recourse we, you and I, have is activism to change the system. A revolution of two, with one in a wheelchair, at least might get a slight sympathy vote. -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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Invitation to FOSDEM 2005
by Fosdem Organization 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Hi, The purpose of this e-mail is to invite you to attend the 5th edition of FOSDEM. This edition will take place on the 26th and 27th of February 2005 in Brussels (see http://www.fosdem.org for more info). The previous edition encountered a huge success with more than 2000 developers coming from all over the world to attend the talks of famous figures of the Free Software and Open Source community. This year, will be present (in alphabetical order): Alan Cox - Kernel Maintainer Alan Robertson - Linux High-Availability Project Founder Alasdair Kergon - Device Mapper and LVM Maintainer Alex Larsson - Nautilus and GNOME-VFS Maintainer Alexander Dymo - KDevelop Maintainer Andreas Zeller - Creator of ddd Benoit Minisini - Creator of Gambas Ethan Galstad - Creator of Nagios Gerald Combs - Creator of Ethereal Harald Fernengel - KDevelop Developer Harald Welte - Netfilter Core Team Member, GPL Enforcement Jeff Johnson - RPM Jimmy "Jimbo" Wales - Wikipedia Founder Ken Preslan - Developer of OpenGFS Marius Mauch - Gentoo Emerge Marty Roesch - Creator of Snort IDS Matthias Ettrich - Creator of KDE, and Lyx Olivier Fourdan - Creator of XFCE Olle Mulmo - GRID Specialist, Globus Toolkit Core Team Pat Mochel - Sysfs/Kernel Driver Core Maintainer Richard M. Stallman - Leader of the FSF Stuart Winter - Slackware & slacktrack Developer And many others who will be giving talks and tutorials... Several Free or Open Source Software projects have decided to hold a meeting during FOSDEM. It is a great occasion to meet core developers in the following developers' rooms: Calibre room, GNU Classpath room, Clustering room, Debian room, Dokeos room, Drupal room, Embedded Software room, Gentoo room, GNOME room, GNUStep room, Jabber room, KDE room, Mozilla room, Opengroupware room, Perl room, PHP/Pear room, Tcl room. All those rooms have an internal schedule, including talks and presentations from lead developers. Moreover, the Free Software Award will be handed out during the FOSDEM 2005 by Richard Stallman and other members from the Free Software Foundation. Don't miss other FOSDEM initiatives like the Lightning Talks, the Key Signing Party, or the buffet. FOSDEM's goal is to provide Free Software and Open Source developers and communities the opportunity to learn and discuss the latest developments in the Free and Open Source arena and to promote the development and the benefits of Free and Open Source solutions. The speakers mainly talk about technologies and make technical speeches. The event is totally free. This is a non-commercial event organised by people from the community. So we would like to thank our sponsors who have understood this and helped us making FOSDEM possible to happen this year again in the same spirit. Those include: O'Reilly Media inc., Linux Magazine, Freshmeat, Sourceforge, Argon7, Astaro, GNU/Linux Magazine France, Hakin9, Misc, PePLink, X-Tend, LinuxFR, Linux-Magazin, Best Of Publishing and all of our donators without who organizing such an event wouldn't be possible. We encourage you to support FOSDEM if you appreciate the event and want it to continue in the same spirit. More information about the FOSDEM 2005 support operation at: http://www.fosdem.org/2005/index/support/ We hope to see you there. -- FOSDEM 2005 Damien Sandras Community Contact

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What is a Kit Meeting?
by Brett Parker 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Right, As this has come up a couple of times over the last few days... here goes the explaination of what a 'kit' meeting is... First off, kit is basically "old computers, new computers, anything that's interesting or you want to get rid of and think someone might be interested in, laptops, pdas, etc etc". A kit meeting is basically a meeting where by we have some desks, a reasonable sized room, and some power outlets. It's a good place to bring any thing that you'd like to demonstrate to the group (if you're feeling brave), or to get someone to help you with that niggly hardware problem, or help you to install one of the numerous distributions (we don't all know the same distribution, but you'll find a fair number of us that are Debian type people, some even Debian Developers, so expect the highest amount of support on Debian or Ubuntu based systems). All kit brought to the meeting is the owners responsibility, we have not yet, to my knowledge, had anything nicked from a meeting, but it's useful to label anything that you bring "Just In Case". (Also, when there's lots of 4 ways and network leads, etc, it can get a bit hectic at packing up time, in order to keep track of which bits are yours, it's useful to have them labelled). It is not neccessary to bring kit to the meeting, we're very open to talking about 'stuff', which can cover a whole array of subjects, and not even limited to just IT, sometimes we have interesting things to say (not me, personally, but sometimes there's interesting people about). It's a good opportunity for lots of us ALUGgers to get together, talk, demonstrate, help, get ideas, and generally have a good afternoon of playing with stuff, eating biscuits, and, quite usually, finding beer in the pub afterwards (UEA permitting, this time. Last time ISTR the bar being closed :( ). I hope to see many of you there. Thanks, - -- Brett Parker web: http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ email: iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCIzAxEh8oWxevnjQRAnhhAJ9b2OSREYtq1MR/o5xMoiZffUKu7gCfVdRr l5IiXEpjpQ+E7wOaqXNdl5I= =g9Lx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [ALUG] New Member
by Elisabeth 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

hi Simon, Will we see you at the kitmeet on 20 March? eli/sunflowerinrain/elspeth

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RE: [ALUG] Kit Meet - 20th March @ UEA
by Keith Watson 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

> From: Brett Parker Sent: 25 February 2005 21:04 > Elisabeth <E.Fosbrooke-brown(a)uea.ac.uk> wrote: > > Sunday 20 March > > Constable Terrace Room A > > Start at 14:00 > > > > Bring software, laptops, pcs, monitors, pdas, peripherals, >> cables, bits and pieces... > > Share and enjoy. > > Or don't bring anything but yourselves, don't feel that you *have* to > bring kit to attend a kit meet. > > Biscuits are appreciated by all attendees though, as are hot > cross buns, jaffa cakes... (we like snack food ;) > > > If people could post back to the list to give us a feeling > what they're bringing, what they might want, and whether they are turning up. I shall try very hard to get there (seeing as it's just round the corner), I have some odd bits and pieces that may be off use to someone. I'll try and bring some sweet and sticky comestibles also :o) Keith

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Audio CD Writing
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Hi Folks, I'm trying to get a ".wav" file (which I also have in a version ".cdr" converted by sox) onto a CD so that the CD can be played on a CD player. With 'xcdroast' I can get the file onto CD as a "data CD", but this doesn;t work for playing on a CD player. My 'xcdroast' tells me, when I'm about to master the file into an ISO image, that if I'm only mastering ".wav" files and want to create an aufio CD then I should use the "Write Tracks" menu and not the "Master Tracks" menu. That's all very well, but if I do that then the "Image Information" panel under "Write Tracks -> Layout Tracks, which seems to be the only way I can designate the filenames for tracks, shows me nothing (unless I have already mastered an image under "Master Tracks" which is then an ISO image which I don't want), and I can see no way of getting the filename into this window. This is xcdroast-0.98alpha13 on Red Hat 9.1. When I click on "Create CD" from the top menu, the first display which comes up is "CD.Image Info", and in this panel I can see the filenames. However, there's no provision there to select them for later use. The only other option which displays them is "Master Tracks" as described above. Can anyone take my hand and lead me out of the wood, please? Thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 26-Feb-05 Time: 20:09:26 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: [ALUG] Linux Political Party
by John Seago 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

On Monday 28 Feb 2005 06:26, adam(a)thebowery.co.uk wrote: > In preparation for the next general election I don't know if I can bring > myself to vote for any of the parties because they all suck, just some > more than others. If in effect I could vote for all the parties who were > crap instead of the ones that were totally crap then it wouldn't be a > total disaster. Which was precisely my point, don't vote for, vote against. (Or write on your ballot paper what you think of the Candidates, they all have to personally read 'spoilt papers. I think one of my best, years ago in a Borough Council Election was, "offered a choice between two crooks and an idiot, I choose not to vote for any of them"), With proportional voting we at least had the opportunity to take votes away from those we disapproved of. However, (for those who wonder why I start so many sentences with 'However', when I was at school, starting a sentence with 'But ' was a terrible sin), even with the first past the post method, voting for fringe party's sends a message, especially if like me you then send all the other party's an email telling them why you didn't vote for them, and that they can't make assumptions as to why their share of the vote was what it was, as there were lots of voters who did exactly the same as I/you, (just don't tell them which party you did vote for). -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org) AFFS (http://www.affs.org.uk/)

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A bit of introduction from me (again)
by Tatsuhiko Maegawa 27 Feb '05

27 Feb '05

I've been away for a while from ALUG, so there must be people who don't know me. My name is Tatsuhiko Maegawa. I live in Fukui, Japan. And I've got blog: http://blog.jazzman.jp I've studied at UEA at late 90s, and that's where my relationship with ALUG began. Turmoils on returning to Japan hampered my will to stay with ALUG for a while. Now that I'm doing right, I decided to join back again. These days I use Gentoo Linux, customized for Japanese environment but not perfectly - yet. Now from June the company that I work will have seven "international" interns. I've checked the details of what they do, and found out that these people do have used "Linux" before. I wonder how far these students know about Linux. Since these people know C++, I assume they can install it, use it, and develop some. Yours Tatsuhiko Maegawa

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