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I have a serious problem with X (I think!) - Help!!!
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

I'm running Debian Testing and I did an update yesterday. I think one, or more, of the packages was X related. I really can't remember any more than that. One of the new packages was updated source code for my kernel which is 2.4.19. I compiled and installed that. When I rebooted and started KDE, my normal desktop, the whole machine froze after a short time. Absolutely nothing worked. I have the magic sysrq key option in the kernel activated but even that did nothing. Only a hard reset would work. I tried booting using my previous kernel with the same results so I've ruled out the new kernel. I have since tried Icewm,as it's less complicated than KDE, and it appears to work after a fashion. I am writing this with my normal email application running under Icewm. There is a 'but' of course. If I try to switch consoles using <ctrl><alt><Fn> the machine locks up immediately as before. If I try to exit Icewm the machine locks up even if I exit using <ctrl><alt><backspace>. I am assuming that this is an X problem. I have no idea where, or how, to start looking and some advice is sorely needed and would be very welcome. Barry Samuels XFree log appended below in case it means anything to anybody. ====================================================================== XFree86 Version 4.2.1 (Debian 4.2.1-3 20021016191246 branden(a)deadbeast.net) / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 3 September 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/) Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Mon Nov 4 14:10:40 2002 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout" (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0) (**) | |-->Monitor "Iiyama Vision Master 17" (**) | |-->Device "Matrox G400" (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard" (**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104" (**) XKB: model: "pc104" (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (**) Option "XkbVariant" "uk" (**) XKB: variant: "uk" (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse" (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. Entry deleted from font path. (**) FontPath set to "unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" (--) using VT number 7 (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory) (II) Module ABI versions: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1 XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5 XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3 XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1 XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3 (II) Loader running on linux (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "pcidata" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 (II) PCI: Config type is 1 (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x8000582c, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex) (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1022,700c card 0000,0000 rev 11 class 06,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1022,700d card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01 (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 1022,7410 card 0000,0000 rev 02 class 06,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 1022,7411 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 01,01,8a hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 1022,7413 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,80,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:07:4: chip 1022,7414 card 0000,0000 rev 07 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:08:0: chip 1000,0020 card 1000,1040 rev 01 class 01,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:08:1: chip 1000,0020 card 1000,1040 rev 01 class 01,00,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0b:0: chip 1102,0002 card 1102,8027 rev 08 class 04,01,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0b:1: chip 1102,7002 card 1102,0020 rev 08 class 09,80,00 hdr 80 (II) PCI: 00:0e:0: chip 1002,4752 card 0000,0000 rev 27 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:0f:0: chip 10b7,9805 card 10f1,2462 rev 78 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 00:10:0: chip 10b7,9805 card 10f1,2462 rev 78 class 02,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: 01:05:0: chip 102b,0525 card 102b,2179 rev 05 class 03,00,00 hdr 00 (II) PCI: End of PCI scan (II) LoadModule: "scanpci" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Module scanpci: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) UnloadModule: "scanpci" (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a (II) Host-to-PCI bridge: (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge: (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge: (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (-1,0,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 0 I/O range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x0c (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus 1 I/O range: (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea8fffff (0x900000) MX[B] (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range: [0] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B] (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:7:0), (0,-1,0), BCTRL: 0x08 (VGA_EN is set) (II) Bus -1 I/O range: (II) Bus -1 non-prefetchable memory range: (II) Bus -1 prefetchable memory range: (--) PCI: (0:14:0) ATI Mach64 GR rev 39, Mem @ 0xe9000000/24, 0xe8006000/12, I/O @ 0x2000/8 (--) PCI:*(1:5:0) Matrox MGA G400 AGP rev 5, Mem @ 0xf8000000/25, 0xea800000/14, 0xea000000/23 (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are [0] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B] (II) OS-reported resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) Active PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xe8005c00 - 0xe8005c7f (0x80) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0xe8005800 - 0xe800587f (0x80) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000dc000 - 0x000dcfff (0x1000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0xe8007000 - 0xe8007fff (0x1000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B](B) [6] -1 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x000018ff (0x80) IX[B] [9] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000187f (0x80) IX[B] [10] -1 0 0x00001c38 - 0x00001c3f (0x8) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001c1f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00001c30 - 0x00001c33 (0x4) IX[B] (II) Inactive PCI resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xe8006000 - 0xe8006fff (0x1000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0xe9000000 - 0xe9ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [2] -1 0 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0 0xe8005c00 - 0xe8005c7f (0x80) MX[B] [1] -1 0 0xe8005800 - 0xe800587f (0x80) MX[B] [2] -1 0 0x000dc000 - 0x000dcfff (0x1000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0xe8007000 - 0xe8007fff (0x1000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B](B) [6] -1 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B) [7] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B](B) [8] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x000018ff (0x80) IX[B] [9] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000187f (0x80) IX[B] [10] -1 0 0x00001c38 - 0x00001c3f (0x8) IX[B] [11] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001c1f (0x20) IX[B] [12] -1 0 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [13] -1 0 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [14] -1 0 0x00001c30 - 0x00001c33 (0x4) IX[B] (II) Inactive PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps: [0] -1 0 0xe8006000 - 0xe8006fff (0x1000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0xe9000000 - 0xe9ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [2] -1 0 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [3] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000dbfff (0x1c000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [6] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] (II) All system resource ranges: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000dbfff (0x1c000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xe8005c00 - 0xe8005c7f (0x80) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xe8005800 - 0xe800587f (0x80) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0x000dc000 - 0x000dcfff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe8007000 - 0xe8007fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0xe8006000 - 0xe8006fff (0x1000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0 0xe9000000 - 0xe9ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [15] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x000018ff (0x80) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000187f (0x80) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00001c38 - 0x00001c3f (0x8) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001c1f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00001c30 - 0x00001c33 (0x4) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Module GLcore: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) LoadModule: "bitmap" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a (II) Loading font Bitmap (II) LoadModule: "dbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdbe.a (II) Module dbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Module ddc: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) LoadModule: "dri" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a (II) Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "drm" (II) LoadModule: "drm" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libdrm.a (II) Module drm: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI (II) LoadModule: "extmod" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libextmod.a (II) Module extmod: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension SHAPE (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS (II) Loading extension SYNC (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER (II) Loading extension XC-MISC (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA (II) Loading extension DPMS (II) Loading extension FontCache (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information (II) Loading extension XVideo (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation (II) LoadModule: "freetype" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a (II) Module freetype: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.1.10 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font FreeType (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "GLcore" (II) LoadModule: "GLcore" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a (II) Loading extension GLX (II) LoadModule: "int10" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a (II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) LoadModule: "record" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/librecord.a (II) Module record: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.13.0 Module class: XFree86 Server Extension ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.1 (II) Loading extension RECORD (II) LoadModule: "speedo" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a (II) Module speedo: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Speedo (II) LoadModule: "type1" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libtype1.a (II) Module type1: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.3 (II) Loading font Type1 (II) Loading font CID (II) LoadModule: "vbe" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvbe.a (II) Module vbe: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) LoadModule: "mga" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/mga_drv.o (II) Module mga: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.1.0 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o (II) Module mouse: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: XFree86 XInput Driver ABI class: XFree86 XInput driver, version 0.3 (II) MGA: driver for Matrox chipsets: mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag100, mgag100 PCI, mgag200, mgag200 PCI, mgag400, mgag550 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:05:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset mgag400 found (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000dbfff (0x1c000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xe8005c00 - 0xe8005c7f (0x80) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xe8005800 - 0xe800587f (0x80) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0x000dc000 - 0x000dcfff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe8007000 - 0xe8007fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0xe8006000 - 0xe8006fff (0x1000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0 0xe9000000 - 0xe9ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [15] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [16] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [17] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x000018ff (0x80) IX[B] [18] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000187f (0x80) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00001c38 - 0x00001c3f (0x8) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001c1f (0x20) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00001c30 - 0x00001c33 (0x4) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B](B) (II) resource ranges after probing: [0] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [1] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [2] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000dbfff (0x1c000) MX[B] [4] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [5] -1 0 0xe8005c00 - 0xe8005c7f (0x80) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0xe8005800 - 0xe800587f (0x80) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0x000dc000 - 0x000dcfff (0x1000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe8007000 - 0xe8007fff (0x1000) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B](B) [11] -1 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B) [12] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0 0xe8006000 - 0xe8006fff (0x1000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0 0xe9000000 - 0xe9ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [15] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B] [16] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B] [17] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B] [18] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [19] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [20] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x000018ff (0x80) IX[B] [21] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000187f (0x80) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00001c38 - 0x00001c3f (0x8) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001c1f (0x20) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [26] -1 0 0x00001c30 - 0x00001c33 (0x4) IX[B] [27] -1 0 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [28] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B](B) [29] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B] [30] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B] (II) Setting vga for screen 0. (II) Loading sub module "vgahw" (II) LoadModule: "vgahw" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a (II) Module vgahw: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (**) MGA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 (==) MGA(0): RGB weight 888 (II) Loading sub module "mga_hal" (II) LoadModule: "mga_hal" (WW) Warning, couldn't open module mga_hal (II) UnloadModule: "mga_hal" (EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0) (II) MGA(0): Matrox HAL module not loaded - using builtin mode setup instead (--) MGA(0): Chipset: "mgag400" (==) MGA(0): Using AGP 1x mode (--) MGA(0): Linear framebuffer at 0xF8000000 (--) MGA(0): MMIO registers at 0xEA800000 (--) MGA(0): Pseudo-DMA transfer window at 0xEA000000 (==) MGA(0): BIOS at 0xC0000 (--) MGA(0): Video BIOS info block at offset 0x07B20 (WW) MGA(0): Video BIOS info block not detected! (II) MGA(0): MGABios.RamdacType = 0x0 (==) MGA(0): Write-combining range (0xf8000000,0x2000000) (--) MGA(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte (II) Loading sub module "ddc" (II) LoadModule: "ddc" (II) Reloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libddc.a (II) Loading sub module "i2c" (II) LoadModule: "i2c" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libi2c.a (II) Module i2c: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.2.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (==) MGA(0): Write-combining range (0xf8000000,0x2000000) (II) MGA(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x0000 (II) MGA(0): I2C bus "DDC" initialized. (II) MGA(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered. (II) MGA(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) MGA(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" registered. (II) MGA(0): I2C device "DDC:ddc2" removed. (II) MGA(0): I2C Monitor info: 0x849e440 (II) MGA(0): Manufacturer: IVM Model: 1700 Serial#: 181942 (II) MGA(0): Year: 1997 Week: 3 (II) MGA(0): EDID Version: 1.0 (II) MGA(0): Analog Display Input, Input Voltage Level: 0.714/0.286 V (II) MGA(0): Signal levels configurable (II) MGA(0): Sync: Separate Composite SyncOnGreenSerration on. V.Sync Pulse req. if CompSync or SyncOnGreen (II) MGA(0): Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 32 vert.: 24 (II) MGA(0): Gamma: 2.53 (II) MGA(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend; RGB/Color Display (II) MGA(0): redX: 0.610 redY: 0.350 greenX: 0.307 greenY: 0.594 (II) MGA(0): blueX: 0.150 blueY: 0.065 whiteX: 0.283 whiteY: 0.297 (II) MGA(0): Supported VESA Video Modes: (II) MGA(0): 720x400@70Hz (II) MGA(0): 720x400@88Hz (II) MGA(0): 640x480@60Hz (II) MGA(0): 640x480@67Hz (II) MGA(0): 640x480@72Hz (II) MGA(0): 640x480@75Hz (II) MGA(0): 800x600@56Hz (II) MGA(0): 800x600@60Hz (II) MGA(0): 800x600@72Hz (II) MGA(0): 800x600@75Hz (II) MGA(0): 832x624@75Hz (II) MGA(0): 1024x768@87Hz (interlaced) (II) MGA(0): 1024x768@60Hz (II) MGA(0): 1024x768@70Hz (II) MGA(0): 1024x768@75Hz (II) MGA(0): 1280x1024@75Hz (II) MGA(0): 1152x870@75Hz (II) MGA(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0 (II) MGA(0): Supported Future Video Modes: (II) MGA(0): #0: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 60 vid: 32897 (II) MGA(0): #1: hsize: 1280 vsize 1024 refresh: 74 vid: 36481 (II) MGA(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) MGA(0): clock: 107.2 MHz Image Size: 300 x 225 mm (II) MGA(0): h_active: 1280 h_sync: 1322 h_sync_end 1426 h_blank_end 1667 h_border: 0 (II) MGA(0): v_active: 1024 v_sync: 1030 v_sync_end 1033 v_blanking: 1065 v_border: 0 (II) MGA(0): Supported additional Video Mode: (II) MGA(0): clock: 135.0 MHz Image Size: 300 x 225 mm (II) MGA(0): h_active: 1280 h_sync: 1312 h_sync_end 1456 h_blank_end 1712 h_border: 0 (II) MGA(0): v_active: 1024 v_sync: 1024 v_sync_end 1027 v_blanking: 1064 v_border: 0 (II) MGA(0): end of I2C Monitor info (==) MGA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) (==) MGA(0): Min pixel clock is 12 MHz (==) MGA(0): Max pixel clock is 300 MHz (II) MGA(0): Iiyama Vision Master 17: Using hsync range of 27.00-86.00 kHz (II) MGA(0): Iiyama Vision Master 17: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-120.00 Hz (II) MGA(0): Clock range: 12.00 to 300.00 MHz (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1600x1200" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1792x1344" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "896x672" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1856x1392" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "928x696" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (hsync out of range) (--) MGA(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) (**) MGA(0): Default mode "1024x768": 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz (II) MGA(0): Modeline "1024x768" 94.50 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync (**) MGA(0): Default mode "800x600": 56.3 MHz, 53.7 kHz, 85.1 Hz (II) MGA(0): Modeline "800x600" 56.30 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync (**) MGA(0): Default mode "640x480": 74.2 MHz, 85.9 kHz, 85.1 Hz (D) (II) MGA(0): Modeline "640x480" 74.25 640 672 752 864 480 480 482 505 doublescan +hsync +vsync (++) MGA(0): DPI set to (100, 100) (II) MGA(0): YDstOrg is set to 0 (II) Loading sub module "fb" (II) LoadModule: "fb" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a (II) Module fb: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 ANSI C Emulation, version 0.1 (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.1, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B] [1] 0 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B] [2] 0 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B] [3] -1 0 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [5] -1 0 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [6] -1 0 0x000c0000 - 0x000dbfff (0x1c000) MX[B] [7] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [8] -1 0 0xe8005c00 - 0xe8005c7f (0x80) MX[B] [9] -1 0 0xe8005800 - 0xe800587f (0x80) MX[B] [10] -1 0 0x000dc000 - 0x000dcfff (0x1000) MX[B] [11] -1 0 0xe8007000 - 0xe8007fff (0x1000) MX[B] [12] -1 0 0xf0000000 - 0xf7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [13] -1 0 0xea000000 - 0xea7fffff (0x800000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0 0xea800000 - 0xea803fff (0x4000) MX[B](B) [15] -1 0 0xf8000000 - 0xf9ffffff (0x2000000) MX[B](B) [16] -1 0 0xe8006000 - 0xe8006fff (0x1000) MX[B](B) [17] -1 0 0xe9000000 - 0xe9ffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [18] 0 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprD) [19] 0 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [20] 0 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [21] -1 0 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [22] -1 0 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [23] -1 0 0x00001880 - 0x000018ff (0x80) IX[B] [24] -1 0 0x00001800 - 0x0000187f (0x80) IX[B] [25] -1 0 0x00001c38 - 0x00001c3f (0x8) IX[B] [26] -1 0 0x00001c00 - 0x00001c1f (0x20) IX[B] [27] -1 0 0x00001400 - 0x000014ff (0x100) IX[B] [28] -1 0 0x00001000 - 0x000010ff (0x100) IX[B] [29] -1 0 0x00001c30 - 0x00001c33 (0x4) IX[B] [30] -1 0 0x0000f000 - 0x0000f00f (0x10) IX[B] [31] -1 0 0x00002000 - 0x000020ff (0x100) IX[B](B) [32] 0 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) [33] 0 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) (==) MGA(0): Write-combining range (0xf8000000,0x2000000) (II) MGA(0): vgaHWGetIOBase: hwp->IOBase is 0x03d0, hwp->PIOOffset is 0x0000 (--) MGA(0): 16 DWORD fifo (==) MGA(0): Default visual is TrueColor (II) MGA(0): [drm] bpp: 32 depth: 24 (II) MGA(0): [drm] Sarea 2200+664: 2864 drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed drmOpenDevice: minor is 0 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) drmOpenDevice: Open failed [drm] failed to load kernel module "mga" (II) MGA(0): [drm] drmOpen failed (EE) MGA(0): [drm] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. (II) MGA(0): Using 3328 lines for offscreen memory. (II) MGA(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles Solid filled trapezoids 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled trapezoids Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Screen to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Dashed Lines Scanline Image Writes Offscreen Pixmaps Driver provided FillMono8x8PatternRects replacement Setting up tile and stipple cache: 32 128x128 slots 20 256x256 slots 6 512x512 slots (==) MGA(0): Backing store disabled (==) MGA(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) Option "dpms" (**) MGA(0): DPMS enabled (II) MGA(0): Using overlay video (==) MGA(0): Direct rendering disabled (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) Keyboard "Generic Keyboard" handled by legacy driver (**) Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2" (**) Configured Mouse: Protocol: "ImPS/2" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Configured Mouse: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" (**) Configured Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 5 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE)

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Synergy?
by Keith Watson 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Anyone on the list ever used Synergy <http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/doc-user.html> ? I've just read a short write up <URL tba - sorry> on it and it looks interesting. Keith ____________ A leader is not the leader, therefore he is called leader. D.T. Suzuki (par)

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Sharp Zaurus for less than 300 quid
by Adam Bower 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Hi all, I just ordered myself a Sharp Zaurus from http://www.expansys.com/ less than 300 quid including delivery, the best price before this was about 350 quid online and you also get 50 quids worth of free accessories atm... although this may be perhaps a stock clearance, or maybe a new model is just around the corner. I have used Expansys before and they seem quite good. Anyhow will report back with how good the Zaurus is soon, although I am going to most likely replace the Sharp Linux OS with a free one based on Debian =) Adam -- "Step away from the Cathedral, This Bazaar is loaded" jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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GPRS on Debian
by Andrew Savory 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

Hi, I finally took the plunge and went for GPRS, and thought I'd share my linux configuration experiences in case anyone else has to go through the same pain as I did! * Why would you want to do this? - Faster connection whilst on the road (up to 5x the speed of a dialup connection over a GSM mobile connection) - The geek factor * Why wouldn't you want to do this? - On most networks a GPRS connection is more expensive per mb than a dialup connection (call charges work out less than per mb charges!) - Super high latency link: don't expect to be IRCing from it, but fine for email downloading etc. * What do you need? - A computer running linux (Debian in this example) - A mobile phone with GPRS support - A mobile phone service provider, with GPRS enabled on your account I'm on O2, using a Sony Ericsson T68i over infrared to my Debian laptop. These details should be more or less the same regardless of distribution, network or phone: the only things you need to check are the "APN" (access point name, eg "mobile.o2.co.uk"), username and password, and dial string. * How? Configuring a successful computer-phone connection is beyond the scope of this. Get that working first! Once you have a working connection to your phone (eg you can set up a normal dialup connection using it), you need to configure a new ppp connection with the following two files: - /etc/ppp/peers/o2gprs - /etc/chatscripts/gprs-connect-chat File /etc/ppp/peers/o2gprs: --- begin o2gprs --- # o2 GPRS settings debug hide-password noauth connect "/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/chatscripts/gprs-connect-chat" # The next line is the port you talk to your phone on, and may need editing /dev/ircomm0 115200 noipdefault ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote local novj novjccomp noccp default-asyncmap nomagic # The next line is your telco's username: it may need editing depending on your provider user "web" defaultroute persist disconnect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/gprs-disconnect-chat" remotename o2gprs ipparam o2gprs --- end o2gprs --- File /etc/chatscripts/gprs-connect-chat: --- begin gprs-connect-chat --- ABORT BUSY ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT VOICE ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO ANSWER' ABORT DELAYED '' ATZ OK-AT-OK 'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","MOBILE.O2.CO.UK"' OK-AT-OK 'AT+CGQREQ=1,0,0,0,0,0' OK-AT-OK 'AT+CGQMIN=1,0,0,0,0,0' OK-AT-OK 'AT+CGATT=1' # The next line is your dial string: it may need editing depending on your phone OK-AT-OK 'ATD*99#' TIMEOUT 42 CONNECT \d\c # prelogin # ispname # isppassword # postlogin --- end gprs-connect-chat --- Finally, edit /etc/ppp/options and comment-out lcp-echo-interval and lcp-echo-failure. Test the connection using pppd call o2gprs and watch /var/log/syslog for details. (eg use tail -f /var/log/syslog) * Other useful details You'll need to tweak your MTA to send outgoing mail via smtp.o2.co.uk (or similar for other providers, check with them for details). * Closing remarks I'd welcome any feedback from others trying to do this ... I'll eventually put this on a page somewhere (eg the ALUG site). And yes, this email is coming to you via GPRS (hopefully!). Andrew. -- All views are my own .... who else would want them?

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security.debian.org
by Paul Tansom 07 Nov '02

07 Nov '02

On Monday somebody (don't have access to my logs, so can't remember who) was talking about the Debain security update for Apache and not being able to pull it from security.debian.org for some reason. The SSL update, which hadn't been announced, but was expected, was also queried - possibly by the same person --- am I being a little vague here? Anyway, I thought I'd just post to say that both are out now (well, the SSL one came out last night, I just forgot to post) and I've successfully downloaded and installed both. Have you - whoever you may be - had any success yet?! :-/ -- Paul Tansom: - contact paul(a)aptanet.com for more information Internet and Intranet Solutions -- http://www.aptanet.com/

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Still stuck after Sunday ��
by fluff 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

Dear Egg Spurts - after numerous reboots, I can't get Deb3 to break out of screen lockup after some sort of resume. At LILO/Right shift the only option in "Linux". When selected, same boot routine results in two mins of screen scrool, with no option to stop, which seems to start from where we left off but followed by same stop/black screen. How do I restart the install process please? Do I need to remove previous? All help gratefully received -- David in Norfolk, UK surrounding the Suffolk peninsula ô¿ô Zippily created with Zimacs 2.12

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by MJ Ray 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

> Further to this, no the ATI drivers for the ATI Radeon 8500 (also the > FireGL) are non-free So sourceforge hosts non-free software at http://dri.sf.net/ and http://gatos.sf.net/ or are they software ones? If they're software ones, why do they need kernel support? > [...] and for the Radeon 9000 and 9700 there is no support afaict (either > free or non-free) all of these being the fastest ATI cards at the moment. They work via vesa for now, though, but not as accelerated as they could be. I hear talk about code in CVS for them, but evidently that's not end-user stuff now. > [...] were the first company to get all of their mainstream cards working > in Linux with full functionality. [...] For some value of "working" in most cases I've seen. > The other pertinent information is that of course there is much > technology in the drivers which is why Nvidia do not want to open them > to the world at large as they are afraid that ATI et al will steal their > technology and incorporate it into rival products. Of course, this would mean *more* natural selection of ideas, *faster* development of new features (to keep their advantage) and *better* performance for the users, but more *work* for the hardware manufacturers, rather than relying on copyright to get an above-market-value price for their work. We should not have any part of this perversion of copyright to holds back progress. That's the opposite of why it was devised. > [...] What the free software community really needs in the way of support > from the GFX manufacturing community would be the source of the windows > drivers along with the specs of the hardware. I'm not sure this would always help, as it might encourage people to repeat mistakes. Then again, experience does suggest otherwise. Apologies if any questions are stupid, but this is something I'm still learning about by asking. -- MJR

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Sunday
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Not sure I'll make the meeting on Sunday, due to family stuff (Partner's dad's 70th), so have a good one. Most disappointed. I may be able to persuade the immediate family to pop by on our way back (if Syleham *is* on the way back to Burwell from Ipswich), but the very word "computer" brings a glazed unfocused look to Mossey's eyes, so I'm not sure. Enjoy, Jenny. :-(

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by MJ Ray 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > 3d support is still non-free and not recommended. If you want good 3d, > > these are not the cards that you are looking for.</obi-wan> > but they are if you want to play games.... so you have a problematic > choice if games are what floats your boat. Pick a different vendor. > You can buy a GFX card that has open specs and 3d support in Linux, but > you can't play Unreal tournament 2003 (Nvidia are the only people who > support the necessary 3d extensions atm, ATI have said possibly/maybe > (which imho means never) but it isn't here yet) [...] Aren't the ATI drivers open? Then it's not just ATI's choice. You can help make it happen, please. You can contribute to their coding (practially or financially), help test or document them, support them by buying their supported hardware, etc. Then again, is the unreal code open anyway? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] A tale about Mandrake 9 and a mouse
by Craig 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:43:28AM +0000, Chris Walker wrote: > I have a machine which had previously had Mandrake 7.2 on it but this week > decided to go for version 9. I also upgraded the BIOS on the machine in case > that might make a difference. I chose KDE as the desktop and the first > improvement is that sound now works where it didn't before. The problem is > the mouse. It works when I first start the desktop but if the screen saver > cuts in I can't restart the desktop with mouse and it ceases to function > again after that. It all works again as normal after a reboot. Needless to > say I didn't have this problem in 7.2 so any ideas? > > If there is some error log I should have read prior to posting this then feel > free to point me to it. Probably a GPM related issue? -- (o_ .----------------------------------------. //\ | Craig Butcher | http://www.wizball.co.uk| V_/_ | - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux - | `----------------------------------------'

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card - success
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

MJRay wrote: >"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should ask you which X server at the >first step. -svga is v3 and -xfree86 is v4. >> Temper is rising. > >Mine too. Are you ignoring me? > >MJR No, no, not at all, I'm sorry - I just fail to understand a lot of the time. I've now seen what you are saying, done "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"and have rocketed towards using xserver-xfree86, v4.x, having xf86config-4 file, and xwindow is now working as it should. Many thanks. MJRay previously wrote: >I think I've had one of those working fine in 2d with XFree86 3.x using the >svga binary, or 4.x using the nv driver. Both can be configured as you >install xserver-svga or xserver-xfree86, respectively, or using >dpkg-reconfigure afterwards. I did reinstall xserver-svga. I wasn't ignoring this, just blundering about in the dark. >3d support is still non-free and not recommended. If you want good 3d, >these are not the cards that you are looking for. I don't care about the 3d support, the card is not for games or fancy stuff. I've got this card because it is what work gave me. Seriously - I'm sorry if I waste anyone's time on-list. All the pointers are very welcome even if I do digest them very slowly sometimes. Thanks, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >dpkg -l will let you know what you have installed atm, look for things >that mention X, I think there may be a package xfree86-common which if >you remove that it will remove most of the other things too. Then >apt-get remove things, although what will happen is it will also try and >remove things like your window manager etc. don't delete /etc/X11 that >would be a last resort! OK. I'll have a spring clean in the morning when I come in. Ta muchly. >Are you going to be on irc tonight? if so I can perhaps tell you a >little more then. My phone is still out of order since the large gales, and BT told me today they won't get an engineer out till 11th Nov to mend it. It took half an hour at least to be told that, to add insult to injury. Grrrrrr. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Ricardo Campus wrote: "Jenny, I'll send u a copy of my XF86Config-4 and the output from dpkg -l when I get home so you can check if you have the correct X packages installed. (I also have true type fonts set up "which is nice") What I had to do to get it working from Potato was to manually remove all the X packages, then manually apt-get install the new ones (apt-get dist-upgrade shagged it up). It's a pain, but if you have a working set of packages to crib from, it makes the job a great deal easier. AFAIK, Woody still has the old X packages included, to aid backwards compatability. So it could be using the old 3.x series... they have *slightly* different package names to the 4.x series... all a bit confusing! Personally, I used the source from Nvidia's site but that's because I was using a more current kernel than Debian were offering at the time. The drivers really do make a difference. wizzzzz! ;) Ricardo" Apt-get install xwindow installed v4.x, however I still can't read an xf86config generated file, section headings aren't recognised, and I still have an XF86Config file rather than XF86config-4. And the logfile for startx shows it is still using v3. So how can I tell Woody I want to use 4 not 3? Perhaps I need to rip out the /etc/X11 directory and begin again like Ricardo has done. Temper is rising. I don't wish to play games, all I want is a screen I can have 4 little xterm windows on at a time. Bah! Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >Have you removed the old X v3. from your system? try perhaps >uninstalling all the X packages from that and possibly 4 and getting it >to install from scratch. There is a possibility that you may want to >look at the command update-alternatives instead though as this selects >different packages when you have a choice of more than one. I would get >rid of all the X packages if it was me though, and then try only >installing Xv4. Yes, I'll be happy to completely clean out all the x stuff and start from scratch. Will I do that via apt-get remove [stuff with x before it] or just delete /etc/X11 and contents, or do i need the dreaded dselect to find out what has been put where? This sort of thing has me flapping about like it was two years ago - I can't tell whether or not part of the x system is v3 or v4. Yours Uselessly Jen.

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nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Hi list, Has anyone any experience in using an nVidia GeForce 2MX graphics card with Debian? I did an apt-get install nvidia-glx-src but although startx apparently gets xserver up and running there is no visual on F7. (Sorry - a bit lacking in helpful info there, there is a bundle of stuff on screen comes up on the console from which I typed startx but I don't now how to trap it in a file.) How was the meeting? Most sorry not to make it. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >Thats your problem then not having the right (X4.x) version of X >windows, things to check are > >1. which release of Debian >2. can you install different versions of X in the newer releases? >3. have you got the correct sources.list >4. have you run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade etc... 1. Woody 2. I am now doing an upgrade of w-window-system, see 3 and 4. 3. I didn't have "contrib" on one of my sources. I'll rerun update and upgrade. 4. Yes, I did recently, but see 3. Craig wrote: >Simple... get the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src compiled >(providing that in mind that you have left the kernel source in >/usr/src/linux since it will build against your kernel) > >Then in XF86Config: > >Add the line in Section "Module" > > Load "glx" > >And then: > >In Section "Device" change: > >Driver "nv" > >to > >Driver "nvidia" > >Restart 'X' and you should be on your way. I've been running xf86config and it has been generating a completely incompatible file with such sections as "drivers", and X hasn't liked it at all so I've been writing one out manually with section headings it can deal with. Having old version of xwindows explains a lot. Thanks, I'll let you know how it goes when xwindow has rocketed forward into the 21st century. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >you can look in the logfile /var/log/Xfree86.0.log (probably, may have a >slightly different name) anyhow if you don't need 3d acceleration with >the card then you don't need anything apart from X4.x Well for a start the log output shows "XFree86 Version 3.3.6a / X Window System" Ha HA! However, apt-get says I'm already using the most current version of xfree86-common. Is it telling porkies? Thanks, Jen. (Thanks for the logfile trapping thing)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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A keen newbie on the loose
by Ben Francis 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Hey there I've been subscribed to and reading messages on the Alug mailing list now for around 2 and a half months and thought it was about time I said something. I'm just about a complete newbie to Linux, my experience extends to a failed Red Hat 6.1 graphical installation - it failed because a) I didn't know my hardware well enough and b) because I didn't have a clue what I was doing and didn't know how to configure the thing once it was (semi) installed. I never actually got as far as starting X. I waited for it to start automatically when I booted after I finished the installation (I tried both Gnome and KDE on separate and numerous occasions!) but it didn't so I typed startx and it... flopped. I'm installing on a PII 300mhz box with a 4Gb hdd, 64 meg of RAM with what I thought was a pretty generic graphics card and little else. I've been using Windows for years but have wanted to get into Linux for a long time for a number of reasons - one of them is that I'd like to set up a web server I can use for development with PHP and mySQL or another database application. I'd like your advice on which distro to start with. When I couldn't install redhat I did a bit of reading and found that Mandrake or SuSe might be a good place to start, but a friend is sending me the latest version of Red Hat and Debian (which he thinks I would learn a lot from) on CD - I only have a 56k internet connection. I have a limited experience of unix commands but apart from that I really don't have a lot of knowledge on this kind of thing and feel a bit like I don't know where to start. Do you think I would benefit by coming to one of the ALUG meetings or joining an IRC session? I live near Peterborough but could probably make a UEA meeting, but travel is a problem caus I'm 16. Thanks for your time Ben Francis ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: tola ^/. "there is no spoon"

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New Member
by John Sherman 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Linux to be installed in due course I like change and have never left my computer the same configuration for very long. I hope to find Linux a challenge and to be able to experiment and enjoy as I will soon have more time available. To this end I shall go in at the deep end and start with Debian but there appears to be plenty of help available for the novice. John

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #29 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Meeting on 3rd November 2002 (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:04:17 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] Meeting on 3rd November 2002 ALUG 3rd November 2002 This ALUG meeting will be from 2pm until about 6pm in the normal place at http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html but I don't know who's bringing the biscuits and whether the bar will be open. It's 9:00pm on Tuesday 29th, the power just came back on, Syleham has been blacked out since 11:00 am on Sunday. So thankfully the meeting is still on. I will get the keys for the bar and get the hall opened up around 12:30 - 1:00pm on Sunday if anybody fancies a pre meeting drink.(BJ) It seems that there's a great demand for another kit-fixing and demonstration day. Please let us know what you want to see, what you want to know and what you want to get help with fixing, and we can try to organise ourselves a little before the day! For more information, see http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?3rd%20November%202002 -- MJR| v ---|--[ Something else will appear here eventually, I guess... ]-----| `--[ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ ]---------[ slef at jabber.at ]-----' --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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KDE3 Ksplash and Konquerer/lynx
by Glen Tyler 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

Hi I have a RH 7.2 machine which I have just updated with KDE3.0 KDE3 is very nice, but I cannot use konquerer for web browsing, as although KPPP connects OK, any URLs typed in are timed out. The KPPP log shows low rates of traffic, inshort pulses (typically between 0.1 and 0.2 Kb/s) with more data flowing out than coming in. Trying to connect using lynx is exactly the same. Does anyone else have any experience of this and what might be causing the problem? Another anoyance is that at starting KDE the splash screen Ksplash always crashes. This is not fatal, just a bit of a pain and spoils my nice new desktop. Is there anyway that this can be tackled? best wishes Glen

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cuddly toys
by jenny 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Ahem, a bit off-topic: For those who were wondering were to get various soft toys, I just noticed a few in the greenpeace catalogue: www.naturalcollection.com There is a lamb, a bear, an "organic pig in dungarees" (as if you were thinking of eating it....), mouse, penguin etc etc, i can't remember what was asked for in the first place.......... Jenny

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New year, new bies
by MJ Ray 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

I've just been reading about the series of "Welcome to Linux" sessions run by the Haifa LUG. Some details can be seen on http://linuxclub.il.eu.org/newcomers/timetable.html I'm hoping that a lot of people will show some kindness and give a GNU to someone they care about this christmas, so would it be a good idea of ALUG ran a series of similar talks in the new year? Most of our venues would be a good place to do such things and I think we've enough people with enough knowledge to do the talks, haven't we? -- MJR| v ---|--[ Something else will appear here eventually, I guess... ]-----| `--[ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ ]---------[ slef at jabber.at ]-----'

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A new arrival :)
by Jamie French 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi Guys, Well as some of you know already from Mondays meeting on IRC my wife went into labour, which at that point we were relaxed which I remained in IRC, then all hell broke loose. We rushed to hospital where after six hours hours of trying to birth our child we were advised to have another section as last time :( But all ends well, mother and baby Dylan are well and it is apparent why Dylan didn't come out naturally, he was 9.75lb, ouch. Anyway thought I would let you all know and thank you for your wishes on Monday. Take Care, Jamie

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