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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by MJ Ray 06 Nov '02

06 Nov '02

> Further to this, no the ATI drivers for the ATI Radeon 8500 (also the > FireGL) are non-free So sourceforge hosts non-free software at http://dri.sf.net/ and http://gatos.sf.net/ or are they software ones? If they're software ones, why do they need kernel support? > [...] and for the Radeon 9000 and 9700 there is no support afaict (either > free or non-free) all of these being the fastest ATI cards at the moment. They work via vesa for now, though, but not as accelerated as they could be. I hear talk about code in CVS for them, but evidently that's not end-user stuff now. > [...] were the first company to get all of their mainstream cards working > in Linux with full functionality. [...] For some value of "working" in most cases I've seen. > The other pertinent information is that of course there is much > technology in the drivers which is why Nvidia do not want to open them > to the world at large as they are afraid that ATI et al will steal their > technology and incorporate it into rival products. Of course, this would mean *more* natural selection of ideas, *faster* development of new features (to keep their advantage) and *better* performance for the users, but more *work* for the hardware manufacturers, rather than relying on copyright to get an above-market-value price for their work. We should not have any part of this perversion of copyright to holds back progress. That's the opposite of why it was devised. > [...] What the free software community really needs in the way of support > from the GFX manufacturing community would be the source of the windows > drivers along with the specs of the hardware. I'm not sure this would always help, as it might encourage people to repeat mistakes. Then again, experience does suggest otherwise. Apologies if any questions are stupid, but this is something I'm still learning about by asking. -- MJR

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Sunday
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Not sure I'll make the meeting on Sunday, due to family stuff (Partner's dad's 70th), so have a good one. Most disappointed. I may be able to persuade the immediate family to pop by on our way back (if Syleham *is* on the way back to Burwell from Ipswich), but the very word "computer" brings a glazed unfocused look to Mossey's eyes, so I'm not sure. Enjoy, Jenny. :-(

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by MJ Ray 05 Nov '02

05 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: > MJ Ray wrote: > > 3d support is still non-free and not recommended. If you want good 3d, > > these are not the cards that you are looking for.</obi-wan> > but they are if you want to play games.... so you have a problematic > choice if games are what floats your boat. Pick a different vendor. > You can buy a GFX card that has open specs and 3d support in Linux, but > you can't play Unreal tournament 2003 (Nvidia are the only people who > support the necessary 3d extensions atm, ATI have said possibly/maybe > (which imho means never) but it isn't here yet) [...] Aren't the ATI drivers open? Then it's not just ATI's choice. You can help make it happen, please. You can contribute to their coding (practially or financially), help test or document them, support them by buying their supported hardware, etc. Then again, is the unreal code open anyway? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] A tale about Mandrake 9 and a mouse
by Craig 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:43:28AM +0000, Chris Walker wrote: > I have a machine which had previously had Mandrake 7.2 on it but this week > decided to go for version 9. I also upgraded the BIOS on the machine in case > that might make a difference. I chose KDE as the desktop and the first > improvement is that sound now works where it didn't before. The problem is > the mouse. It works when I first start the desktop but if the screen saver > cuts in I can't restart the desktop with mouse and it ceases to function > again after that. It all works again as normal after a reboot. Needless to > say I didn't have this problem in 7.2 so any ideas? > > If there is some error log I should have read prior to posting this then feel > free to point me to it. Probably a GPM related issue? -- (o_ .----------------------------------------. //\ | Craig Butcher | http://www.wizball.co.uk| V_/_ | - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux - | `----------------------------------------'

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card - success
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

MJRay wrote: >"dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should ask you which X server at the >first step. -svga is v3 and -xfree86 is v4. >> Temper is rising. > >Mine too. Are you ignoring me? > >MJR No, no, not at all, I'm sorry - I just fail to understand a lot of the time. I've now seen what you are saying, done "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"and have rocketed towards using xserver-xfree86, v4.x, having xf86config-4 file, and xwindow is now working as it should. Many thanks. MJRay previously wrote: >I think I've had one of those working fine in 2d with XFree86 3.x using the >svga binary, or 4.x using the nv driver. Both can be configured as you >install xserver-svga or xserver-xfree86, respectively, or using >dpkg-reconfigure afterwards. I did reinstall xserver-svga. I wasn't ignoring this, just blundering about in the dark. >3d support is still non-free and not recommended. If you want good 3d, >these are not the cards that you are looking for. I don't care about the 3d support, the card is not for games or fancy stuff. I've got this card because it is what work gave me. Seriously - I'm sorry if I waste anyone's time on-list. All the pointers are very welcome even if I do digest them very slowly sometimes. Thanks, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >dpkg -l will let you know what you have installed atm, look for things >that mention X, I think there may be a package xfree86-common which if >you remove that it will remove most of the other things too. Then >apt-get remove things, although what will happen is it will also try and >remove things like your window manager etc. don't delete /etc/X11 that >would be a last resort! OK. I'll have a spring clean in the morning when I come in. Ta muchly. >Are you going to be on irc tonight? if so I can perhaps tell you a >little more then. My phone is still out of order since the large gales, and BT told me today they won't get an engineer out till 11th Nov to mend it. It took half an hour at least to be told that, to add insult to injury. Grrrrrr. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Ricardo Campus wrote: "Jenny, I'll send u a copy of my XF86Config-4 and the output from dpkg -l when I get home so you can check if you have the correct X packages installed. (I also have true type fonts set up "which is nice") What I had to do to get it working from Potato was to manually remove all the X packages, then manually apt-get install the new ones (apt-get dist-upgrade shagged it up). It's a pain, but if you have a working set of packages to crib from, it makes the job a great deal easier. AFAIK, Woody still has the old X packages included, to aid backwards compatability. So it could be using the old 3.x series... they have *slightly* different package names to the 4.x series... all a bit confusing! Personally, I used the source from Nvidia's site but that's because I was using a more current kernel than Debian were offering at the time. The drivers really do make a difference. wizzzzz! ;) Ricardo" Apt-get install xwindow installed v4.x, however I still can't read an xf86config generated file, section headings aren't recognised, and I still have an XF86Config file rather than XF86config-4. And the logfile for startx shows it is still using v3. So how can I tell Woody I want to use 4 not 3? Perhaps I need to rip out the /etc/X11 directory and begin again like Ricardo has done. Temper is rising. I don't wish to play games, all I want is a screen I can have 4 little xterm windows on at a time. Bah! Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >Have you removed the old X v3. from your system? try perhaps >uninstalling all the X packages from that and possibly 4 and getting it >to install from scratch. There is a possibility that you may want to >look at the command update-alternatives instead though as this selects >different packages when you have a choice of more than one. I would get >rid of all the X packages if it was me though, and then try only >installing Xv4. Yes, I'll be happy to completely clean out all the x stuff and start from scratch. Will I do that via apt-get remove [stuff with x before it] or just delete /etc/X11 and contents, or do i need the dreaded dselect to find out what has been put where? This sort of thing has me flapping about like it was two years ago - I can't tell whether or not part of the x system is v3 or v4. Yours Uselessly Jen.

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nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Hi list, Has anyone any experience in using an nVidia GeForce 2MX graphics card with Debian? I did an apt-get install nvidia-glx-src but although startx apparently gets xserver up and running there is no visual on F7. (Sorry - a bit lacking in helpful info there, there is a bundle of stuff on screen comes up on the console from which I typed startx but I don't now how to trap it in a file.) How was the meeting? Most sorry not to make it. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >Thats your problem then not having the right (X4.x) version of X >windows, things to check are > >1. which release of Debian >2. can you install different versions of X in the newer releases? >3. have you got the correct sources.list >4. have you run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade etc... 1. Woody 2. I am now doing an upgrade of w-window-system, see 3 and 4. 3. I didn't have "contrib" on one of my sources. I'll rerun update and upgrade. 4. Yes, I did recently, but see 3. Craig wrote: >Simple... get the nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src compiled >(providing that in mind that you have left the kernel source in >/usr/src/linux since it will build against your kernel) > >Then in XF86Config: > >Add the line in Section "Module" > > Load "glx" > >And then: > >In Section "Device" change: > >Driver "nv" > >to > >Driver "nvidia" > >Restart 'X' and you should be on your way. I've been running xf86config and it has been generating a completely incompatible file with such sections as "drivers", and X hasn't liked it at all so I've been writing one out manually with section headings it can deal with. Having old version of xwindows explains a lot. Thanks, I'll let you know how it goes when xwindow has rocketed forward into the 21st century. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] nvidia graphics card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Adam Bower wrote: >you can look in the logfile /var/log/Xfree86.0.log (probably, may have a >slightly different name) anyhow if you don't need 3d acceleration with >the card then you don't need anything apart from X4.x Well for a start the log output shows "XFree86 Version 3.3.6a / X Window System" Ha HA! However, apt-get says I'm already using the most current version of xfree86-common. Is it telling porkies? Thanks, Jen. (Thanks for the logfile trapping thing)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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A keen newbie on the loose
by Ben Francis 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Hey there I've been subscribed to and reading messages on the Alug mailing list now for around 2 and a half months and thought it was about time I said something. I'm just about a complete newbie to Linux, my experience extends to a failed Red Hat 6.1 graphical installation - it failed because a) I didn't know my hardware well enough and b) because I didn't have a clue what I was doing and didn't know how to configure the thing once it was (semi) installed. I never actually got as far as starting X. I waited for it to start automatically when I booted after I finished the installation (I tried both Gnome and KDE on separate and numerous occasions!) but it didn't so I typed startx and it... flopped. I'm installing on a PII 300mhz box with a 4Gb hdd, 64 meg of RAM with what I thought was a pretty generic graphics card and little else. I've been using Windows for years but have wanted to get into Linux for a long time for a number of reasons - one of them is that I'd like to set up a web server I can use for development with PHP and mySQL or another database application. I'd like your advice on which distro to start with. When I couldn't install redhat I did a bit of reading and found that Mandrake or SuSe might be a good place to start, but a friend is sending me the latest version of Red Hat and Debian (which he thinks I would learn a lot from) on CD - I only have a 56k internet connection. I have a limited experience of unix commands but apart from that I really don't have a lot of knowledge on this kind of thing and feel a bit like I don't know where to start. Do you think I would benefit by coming to one of the ALUG meetings or joining an IRC session? I live near Peterborough but could probably make a UEA meeting, but travel is a problem caus I'm 16. Thanks for your time Ben Francis ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: tola ^/. "there is no spoon"

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New Member
by John Sherman 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Linux to be installed in due course I like change and have never left my computer the same configuration for very long. I hope to find Linux a challenge and to be able to experiment and enjoy as I will soon have more time available. To this end I shall go in at the deep end and start with Debian but there appears to be plenty of help available for the novice. John

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #29 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Meeting on 3rd November 2002 (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:04:17 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] Meeting on 3rd November 2002 ALUG 3rd November 2002 This ALUG meeting will be from 2pm until about 6pm in the normal place at http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html but I don't know who's bringing the biscuits and whether the bar will be open. It's 9:00pm on Tuesday 29th, the power just came back on, Syleham has been blacked out since 11:00 am on Sunday. So thankfully the meeting is still on. I will get the keys for the bar and get the hall opened up around 12:30 - 1:00pm on Sunday if anybody fancies a pre meeting drink.(BJ) It seems that there's a great demand for another kit-fixing and demonstration day. Please let us know what you want to see, what you want to know and what you want to get help with fixing, and we can try to organise ourselves a little before the day! For more information, see http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?3rd%20November%202002 -- MJR| v ---|--[ Something else will appear here eventually, I guess... ]-----| `--[ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ ]---------[ slef at jabber.at ]-----' --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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KDE3 Ksplash and Konquerer/lynx
by Glen Tyler 02 Nov '02

02 Nov '02

Hi I have a RH 7.2 machine which I have just updated with KDE3.0 KDE3 is very nice, but I cannot use konquerer for web browsing, as although KPPP connects OK, any URLs typed in are timed out. The KPPP log shows low rates of traffic, inshort pulses (typically between 0.1 and 0.2 Kb/s) with more data flowing out than coming in. Trying to connect using lynx is exactly the same. Does anyone else have any experience of this and what might be causing the problem? Another anoyance is that at starting KDE the splash screen Ksplash always crashes. This is not fatal, just a bit of a pain and spoils my nice new desktop. Is there anyway that this can be tackled? best wishes Glen

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cuddly toys
by jenny 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Ahem, a bit off-topic: For those who were wondering were to get various soft toys, I just noticed a few in the greenpeace catalogue: www.naturalcollection.com There is a lamb, a bear, an "organic pig in dungarees" (as if you were thinking of eating it....), mouse, penguin etc etc, i can't remember what was asked for in the first place.......... Jenny

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New year, new bies
by MJ Ray 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

I've just been reading about the series of "Welcome to Linux" sessions run by the Haifa LUG. Some details can be seen on http://linuxclub.il.eu.org/newcomers/timetable.html I'm hoping that a lot of people will show some kindness and give a GNU to someone they care about this christmas, so would it be a good idea of ALUG ran a series of similar talks in the new year? Most of our venues would be a good place to do such things and I think we've enough people with enough knowledge to do the talks, haven't we? -- MJR| v ---|--[ Something else will appear here eventually, I guess... ]-----| `--[ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ ]---------[ slef at jabber.at ]-----'

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A new arrival :)
by Jamie French 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi Guys, Well as some of you know already from Mondays meeting on IRC my wife went into labour, which at that point we were relaxed which I remained in IRC, then all hell broke loose. We rushed to hospital where after six hours hours of trying to birth our child we were advised to have another section as last time :( But all ends well, mother and baby Dylan are well and it is apparent why Dylan didn't come out naturally, he was 9.75lb, ouch. Anyway thought I would let you all know and thank you for your wishes on Monday. Take Care, Jamie

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RE: [Alug] A new arrival :)
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Well done to all. 9&3/4lb brings tears to my eyes. If I had another baby I'd name it Root. Jenny. PS. Got my electricity back last night, and looked round the house and wished I hadn't. "Aaaargh, turn it off, I can see...." Still no phone, though.

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Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

>Who is going to show up tonight then? been a bit of a lack of people in >recent weeks =( If our lecky is back on I will pop by using the old mirc - I gave up on the winmodem in the linux box and stuffed it in the windows for the time being thinking I'll buy a proper modem (BTW - anyone got one they wish to sell? 3com one I got from paul worked a treat till it blew up). Otherwise I'll be frying a freezerful of quorn sausages over an open fire in the dark ;-) Jenny.

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Syleham meeting on Sunday
by John Woodard 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Its 9:00pm on Tuesday 29th, the power just came back on, Syleham has been blacked out since 11:00 am on Sunday so thankfully the meeting is still on. I will get the keys for the bar and get the hall opened up around 12:30 - 1:00pm so if anybody fancies a pre meeting drink... Cheers, BJ

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Some advice needed
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

I am using a backup application which I wrote myself in Free Pascal which uses Afio to do the dirty work in conjunction with my SCSI tape drive. Very occasionally a problem occurs during a backup (read or write error) which causes error messages to be appended to the logs, kern.log, messages. sys.log, at such a rate that it consumes about 500MB in a couple of hours. Can anyone suggest a method of monitoring the logs for excessive growth or for the occurrence of the same error message occurring say 25 times which would then automatically kill Afio (which stops the messages). I can't monitor this from inside my own application once control is passed to Afio for the Backup or Verify. Many thanks Barry Samuels

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 28 Oct '02

28 Oct '02

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Gentoo 1.4 install
by Jamie French 28 Oct '02

28 Oct '02

As we are talking about Gentoo, anyone tried the Live 1.4 cd? Tried to install last night, but found the install instructions did not always relate to the installation and some of the noted commands failed to execute i.e. not found. This may be due to the fact I tried it on a Tosh Tecra 8000, so I gave up a installed Debian woody which worked but took an age and generated many errors and no I did not write them down, got to late to care :) Will probably try Gentoo 1.2 when a chance. Not entirely sure which tarballs to use as what does it mean when stage 2 installs some of the system? Probably trying to do to much to late, tired eyes and all that :) Take Care, Jamie

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