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F.S.
by Paul 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

One HP LaserJet 4si printer for sale. £25 and buyer collects from Norwich. Regards, Paul.

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Gentoo
by Ricardo Campos 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

A word of warning- don't try to install gentoo in just your evenings! You probably need a whole weekend with not much else to do. *hmph my laptop is fscked* ...off to wait until he has enough time to install the damn thing...in a few weeks, maybe...... bah! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Gentoo
by Ricardo Campos 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

I had a kernel panic, so Laurie suggested: > 9 times out of 10, that's an error in /boot/grub/menu.lst caused by failing > to point to the right place for your root partition. If it's a laptop, it's > usually a misconfigured kernel. Actually, I'll check grub first. I have a working .config file for that particular laptop (that works with the stock 2.4.18 kernel), which is what I based my menuconfig choices on. It should be fine. If these things don't work, then I will probably post the error msgs-something to do with VFS- in a different thread! In fact having read the last paragraph, I KNOW it's not pointing to the correct partition for /. I remember putting down /dev/hda3 in fstab, when in fact / is on /dev/hda5! So I probably made the same mistake in the grub menu.lst! Damn my peculiar manner of setting up partitions! Damn the *ahem* person who was distracting me at the time! So my advice should now be: don't try installing Gentoo if you don't have much time to spare, and don't try if your partner is coming round to visit. ;o) > When you get your 512k cable connection (I have a 512 cable here in my > office, and a 2meg line in my server room), be sure to rsync ibiblio. Bear in > mind the whole tree is more than 20GB, 90% of which we never use! There are > about 2,500 packages now, and growing. isn't rsync'ing the whole tree a little OTT for a network comprising of 1 gentoo box, 1 ipcop box and 1 debian box? What would the benefits be? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Gentoo
by Ricardo Campos 11 Sep '02

11 Sep '02

> Ah... Running a download mirror internally helps a lot. I realise there's a > lot of compiling to do, but pulling the source through a 100MB internal > network is a whole lot faster than using even 512K cable, never mind a modem. Yep! Half the time was pulling it from ibiblio (SLOOOW!) I'm getting a kernel panic... but I think the problem could be WAAAAY back in the process (the passwd command didn't work for a start). Still, it was a learning experience, which I will get right next time round... unfortunately I'm moving and will have no net access for a while.... fortunately, my new net access will be 512kbps cable! ;) And yes, linuxmail fscks linewrap. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] CUPS and epson stylus
by Ricardo Campos 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

> Use the parallel port! the parallel port is broken (physically) > Do your PC's have Via chipsets? I've never had any success with USB and > VIA. Yes, but it all worked ok in Redhat, Mandrake and Windows. hmmmmm -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Gentoo
by Ricardo Campos 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

> No probs here! We're standardising on it, run internal gentoo mirrors, and > have developed lots of scripts and so on. Gentoo is the D's B's, IMO. Never said it wasn't... Just takes a long time. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Gentoo
by Craig 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 08:51:47PM +0000, Ricardo Campos wrote: > There isn't one, buddy. I just ran out of time (incl. internet connection > being cut off) mid-install... which meant that when I got round to it again, >it was all a bit fscked. I'm not really which stage I'm at. Where are you installing this? At work I hope so you can leech their connection! It sounds like that once it lost the network connection it would give up trying to find the packages requires to compile and install. Just basically find out which was the last command and rerun that again. Chances are that you switched the machine off now ;) > I'll work it out! > ;) I'm *sure* you would ;) > Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org ^-------- Is this the problem? I'm sure that mangled the wrapping! Let me know if you want to try 1.4 instead with gcc 3.2 :) -- (o_ .----------------------------------------. //\ | Craig Butcher | http://www.wizball.co.uk| V_/_ | - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux - | `----------------------------------------'

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FSF Award
by John Seago 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

Those of you who subscribe to the FSFE list will have already seen this, but as the the message itself suggests I am re-posting it here, together with the suggestion that this LUG should nominate M.J. Ray for all his efforts, hard work and financial support for the foundation of the AFFS, see: <http://www.affs.org.uk/>, as, as one of those involved in the early stages I know that there would be *NO* AFFS without Mark. From: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn(a)fsf.org> Subject: Nominations Request for The 2002 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:13:56 -0400 [ Please redistribute this message widely where appropriate. ] The FSF and the GNU project request nominations for the 2002 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software. We want to give this award to a person who has made a great contribution to the progress and development of Free Software (free as in freedom; see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for the definition), through activities that accord with the spirit of software freedom. Any kind of activity could be eligible -- writing software, writing documentation, publishing CDs, even journalism -- but whatever the activity, we want to recognize long-term central contributions to the development of the world of software freedom. "Accord with the spirit" means, for example, that software, manuals or collections of them (online or on CD) must be entirely Free. Work done commercially is eligible, but we give this award to individuals, not to companies, organizations, or teams. People such as Miguel de Icaza, Donald Knuth, Brian Paul, Guido van Rossum, Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, and Larry Wall who have already received this or other awards for their contributions, are not eligible for the Award for the Advancement of Free Software. Among those who are eligible, the award committee will try to choose whoever has made the greatest contribution. Please send your nominations to <award-nominations(a)gnu.org>, on or before 15 October 2002. Please submit nominations in the following format: * Put the name of the person you are nominating in the email message subject line. * Please include, in the body of your message, an explanation (40 lines or less) of the work the person has done and why you think it is especially important to software freedom. * Please state, in the body of your message, where to find the software which your nomination is based on. Information about the previous awards can be found online at: http://www.gnu.org/award/ -- John Seago

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Re: [Alug] FSF Award
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

MJRay wrote: >I just talk more .... You're just being modest! ;-) >Speaking of that, AFFS would like to have a stand at LinuxExpo in London >next month. In order to do that, I suspect we'll need help, so watch out >for an appeal on the fsfe-uk list (linked from http://www.affs.org.uk/ ) >very soon. Who from ALUG is going to be there? Care for an ALUG meet? I think the appeal has arrived already, I see Wookey volunteering (he has a lot to do with the iPaq running a linux based speech program I brought to the last meeting) for a slot. I would like to go - I haven't been to a linux expo before. If I do I'll wave leaflets for half an hour. Registering is here: http://www.linuxexpouk.co.uk/ Adam said on IRC last night that there was an informal pub meeting next Sunday in Norwich. Without computers (gasp) and he said he'd only do a talk on apt after five pints. Or do you mean an alug meet at the expo? Jenny.

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Yellow Dog
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

Hi, Can anybody comment on Yellow Dog Linux? I like the name and logo, you see. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] FSF Award
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Sep '02

10 Sep '02

John Seago wrote: >Please send your nominations to <award-nominations(a)gnu.org>, on or before >15 October 2002. Please submit nominations in the following format: > > * Put the name of the person you are nominating in the email > message subject line. > > * Please include, in the body of your message, an explanation > (40 lines or less) of the work the person has done and why you > think it is especially important to software freedom. > > * Please state, in the body of your message, where to find the > software which your nomination is based on. Good plan, John. Do you want to submit the nomination? There's also the ALUG support onlist and at meetings Mark has given over the years that have furthered the cause and use of free software. Jenny.

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IRC meeting tonight (monday 9th) moved... stuff broken/changed....
by Adam Bower 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

Hi all, ummm, uranium which is where irc.alug.org.uk points is down or not part of oftc anymore (or something) anyhow if you want to get on tonight try /server europa.oftc.net which is what i am using now Thanks Adam -- "Step away from the Cathedral, This Bazaar is loaded" jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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RE: [Alug] CUPS and epson stylus
by Ricardo Campos 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

> Are the jobs appearing in the CUPS printer queue? Yes, and it says they have been completed. > Actually I did a re-install of the latest ghostscript, then gimp-print and > then CUPS. well, these things are easy with apt-get, so I shall try this. > I think it was something to do with the xxx to ps filtering setup. We'll see..... ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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GNU/Linux User Groups
by John Seago 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

I blundered across this: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-user-groups.html#GHlist last night. It made me think a little. Perhaps such `purity' would be dificult to achieve for ALUG, but a smaller subset of ALUG, or Joint Group might be possible. Athough the population density of our area, and the attendance at meetings, might make any such project impractical -- John Seago

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CUPS and epson stylus
by Ricardo Campos 09 Sep '02

09 Sep '02

I have had my Epson Stylus 680 (usb) set up on this computer before (redhat and mandrake). Having set up a device node as per the USB-printer howto, and set the printer up in CUPS as per the CUPS howto, I send printjobs... but nothing comes out. I'm using the same .upp driver, usb-printer support is compiled into the kernel (2.4.18)... I can't think of what to check. *highly frustrated at USB* Any thoughts? TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Yellow Dog
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Sep '02

08 Sep '02

Adam Bower wrote: > I don't know which is worse though, owning a Mac or >running Redhat.. ;) Well, Macs are useful for if it rains ;-) Next Q: Has anyone tried x2vnc yet? It allows linux to take over your windows keyboard and monitor. It sounds like hours of fun are to be had by all here. And the question after that will be: has anyone compiled a kernel to include FreeS/WAN support ? Jen

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kde3 to rh7.2
by Glen Tyler 08 Sep '02

08 Sep '02

I want to upgrade kde2.2 which came with my rh7.2 installation to kde3.0 using a cd of rpms from linuxformat. The README states that this works with 7.2, but following the commandline in the README results in a massive list of failed dependencies. I think that this might be because the original rpms were not installed with the default RedHat installation. At least there are not any in the RPMS folder, and rpm -q returns that none are installed. As I need to remove the kde2.2 rpms to install kde3.0 I'm a bit stuck, hopefully I've just missed something (as usual :-)). Can anyone tell me what that something is? thanks, looking forward to 'faster, slicker, better than ever' Glen

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Re: [Alug] CUPS and epson stylus
by Ricardo Campos 08 Sep '02

08 Sep '02

> I had a similar problem getting my adsl working, there is no indication of > which driver will work except by trying them both, and both of them may appear > to work..... My cardreader works... the cd-writer *was* working...(but it decided to break itself somehow, altho it does work in winblows). hmmm hmmph *scratches chin* -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Webcams
by Ricardo Campos 08 Sep '02

08 Sep '02

Loaded the cpia module, made the video devices... says no such device /dev/video0 (altho it IS there). Anyone else got a Creative Webcam (USB) to work? :( I wanted to use gnomemeeting to talk to my sis in Canada... looks like I'll have to boot into Winblows to use it.. *boohoo* Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Webcams
by Ricardo Campos 08 Sep '02

08 Sep '02

> I run a program called webcam that is included in the xawtv package, Well, I have the camera, and can modprobe cpia with success (after a kernel recompile). When I start xawtv it says that /dev/video0 does not exist. This is true, but does anyone know how to make that device (with mknod) and make sure it is pointing to the webcam (it's a USB one)? TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Redhat 7.x RPMs : CDRs anyone?
by James - listmail 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

I'll be at CB2, Cambridge on Sunday. Have some spare time to burn CDRs for interested parties on Saturday, probably. Intel architecture and sub arch types only. Happy to hand stuff over to folk willing to collect in person. I don't have packaging materials to operate a postal service, and don't particularly want to spend money and time doing that. One Good Thing [tm] about all the disk archiving that I've done for the first week of September is to collate all the Redhat 7.x Update RPMS, and other goodies that I've built recently. For folks wanting to update a system from a new install using the original RedHat install CDs, but no ( or slow ) internet access - better to use a CD update archive. The binary update rpms (just) fit on one 700M CDR. Too early for the Redhat 7.2 backport rpms of KDE 3.0.3 that I'm still trying to build and resolve dependancies upon, BUT some other rpm packaged goodies available are: 1) selinux SELDI binary rpms for the 2002082308 release that can be rpm installed in a standard RedHat 7.2 system includes big archive of email from the NSA listserver, and documents / saved articles. 2) postgresql 7.2.2 built for RedHat 7.2 i586 and i686 3) snort IDS with a recent ruleset ( 31st Aug ) I can burn CDRs for anyone willing to compensate me for doing so ( 700M / 80min ) email me privately if interested, please. ( Within reason ) I am willing to mix n' match components to squeeze the number of CDs needed. Sizes of components: ( first column current packages; second column are obsoleted packages, MegaBytes ) RH7.2 Update RPMS: i386 469 426 i586 21 61 i686 50 179 athlon 21 81 noarch 90 0 SRPMS 546 316 images 7 - RH7.3 Update RPMS: i386 180 171 i586 25 37 i686 57 112 athlon 25 49 SRPMS 190 102 selinux : 462 snort : 11 postgres: 24 nmap: 14 Just the stuff that I have to hand. I can probably collate all the KDE 3.0.3 SRPMS from a RedHat 7.2 backporting site, but I haven't had time to resolve dependancy issues and build binaries successfully. Some way to go before all that is operational, and fit to install. These weigh in at about 83 MBytes AFAIR. Anyone else been working on RedHat 7.2 KDE 3.0.3 RPMS by any chance? If you have, and know exactly how to resolve all the missing deps, do tell! -- James To reply by private email DONT delete the "nospam" in Reply To or From header addresses!

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Webalizer and stdin problem
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

I want Webalizer to take its input from STDIN by using something like cat various*.log|webalizer -c /path/to/webalizer.conf I find that if I enable DNS lookups, which I want, Webalizer does all the lookups and then stops, displaying the number of addresses resolved, but does not produce any output. If I disable the DNS lookups it produces all the expected output but, of course, no resolved addresses. If I cat the log files to another single file, which I don't want to do, Webalizer will do DNS lookups and produce the expected output if this file is specified as the log file. Does anyone know how I can get Webalizer to do both using STDIN? Regards Barry Samuels

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Re: main digest, Vol 1 #401 - 7 msgs
by Kelly Ash 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

On Tuesday 03 September 2002 6:25 am, you wrote: > Message: 5 > From: Richard Kettlewell <rjk(a)terraraq.org.uk> > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] Linux wins! > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:29:48 +0100 > > Kelly Ash <LadySpudz(a)HotPop.com> writes: > > What I'd like to know now is how differently an install is if it's > > going to be a Linux only machine? I didn't do any partitioning for > > the current installation (dual with Win98se - each having their own > > hd) and let Linux go about it's business. I want to wipe both hd's > > and start again from scratch with NO Win anything on here. > > > > Due to Malcolms kind offer, I'll be installing the ProSuite edition > > of Mandrake 8.2 and was curious as to how Linux will see/use 2 empty > > hd's. > > There shouldn't be any problem, though I'm not familiar with Mandrake. > But I'm puzzled as to why you want to throw away your existing Linux > install and start again; why not just add the space currently used by > Windows to the Linux install instead? For a 'fresh start', and to pay a bit closer attention to what exactly is going on during the install. Think I was scared to look last time! Plus, what else would I want to do on a Saturday?*g* It will partition itself within the two hd's then? Am working (studying, researching, swearing) on 2 other things Linuxy atm and don't wish to get into partitioning if I can avoid it.

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Webcams
by Ricardo Campos 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

heh, broadband soon, and with it I want to set up a webcam. Has anyone got any tips on which of the programs to use in order to achieve this? I would probably want to host the webcam locally, i.e. set up apache so ppl can just browse to a dyndns hostname. TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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