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LaTeX help
by David Freeman 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Hi, Can any one tell me how to change the way the date is displayed in LaTeX? ATM it shows up as July 19, 2001 which I don't want. I want it to show tomorrows date (20th July) as: 20 July 2001 This is being used in a letter which needs to be done tonight for tomorrow! Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] bash script...
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > if [ $i == $DIRECTORY && $i != "." || $i != ".." ] ; Almost certainly that line wants [ ]s around each test (man test and man bash to see why). Use Brett's way though. Much nicer.

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test message
by Brett Parker 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

OK, this is just to see if I have now stopped my self from being blocked and having to wait for admins to approve the mails, please ignore, delete, set fire to, whatever ;) Brett

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Re: [Alug] cron job
by MJ Ray 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > when I first started using linux, I was logged in as root and typed Don't you think that root and the -f flag really don't mix? I also su lots for very short spaces of time these days too ;-)

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The Java Debate
by tom potts 20 Jul '01

20 Jul '01

Just a few comments: C# looks interesting but is designed by Microsoft to Lock you in - they've already stated that in the future they will be charging for the XML standards. Froma design point of view its a bit of a mish mash of old technologies glued together. If theres a design flaw in Microsoft they provide a work around. Java is meant to be multi-platform and if there is a design flaw Sun have the temerity to go back and rip up all the previous work and start again. If you get a chance check out Forte - the Java IDE its free for now and runs on Windows/Solaris/Linux and if it doesnt scare the hell out of Microsoft i'll be surprised. Now some added bitching: As a Microsoft Technet user I was offered extra free information at the technet site. I went in and was told to fill in a Passport (all the usual lies for any market research). And on returning to the site I discovered it couldnt use the passport data and I would have to enter it all again to get my free info. Anyone know what it was? Beware trends: XML provides little more (over EDI peer to peer) than a nice way to view Data. But ask yourself why you would want to view data that is meant to be pumped straight into your business system? Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] locale
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Andrew.Chandler(a)ftid.com writes: > Just one of those strange things about our country - we are the UK > but for some purposes we have to be GB? Like at the Olympics etc. I think it's something like ISO says GB, but reality often says UK. Sometimes reality beats a standard.

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Re: [Alug] Mail Clients Which one do you use?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > Is that part of emacs? I must start to play with emacs one day. It runs in Emacs or XEmacs, yes. Whether it is "part of" Emacs would be a very contentious issue.

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Who .NEEDS it ...?
by Earl Brannigan 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi All, Following these .NET threads I couldn't help smiling. C#...?? Sorry, who needs another 'C/C++' like language. (I trust everyone realises the # is a ++ on ++, ie C# is C++++ (NOT!!!). C++ is a well defined mature standardised programming language. I can already write cross platform code with it. OK I need to compile on whatever platform but compilers are very compliant, and if I use posix api for threads and standard winsock api etc etc .... you get the picture. So why would I want to move to an immature, unproven, non-standard(yet) mechanism driven by the one company on this planet that I actually HATE. If C++ isn't up to what I need then Java can fill that gap usually, but there are all the other Perl/Python/yadayayada etc that I can also get into. Open, standardised, mature, robust. There is nothing Sharp about C#, it is a blatant plagiarism of Java. As such it is very blunt. Runtime engine, garbage collector, libraries. Sorry that's Java. And if I want something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, I'll get a duck thank you very much. My 2 penneth. Hailstorm??? Sorry, M$ do not have a very good record with authentication services.... PPTP anyone ? .NET, my .ARSE Earl

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Re: [Alug] locale
by Andrew.Chandler＠ftid.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I'm not a Debian user, so it might do it differently, but you might find the locale is 'en_gb'. Just one of those strange things about our country - we are the UK but for some purposes we have to be GB? Like at the Olympics etc. Weird? We don't even have a national Football or Cricket team?!?! Rant over.. Bing Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> on 19/07/2001 12:45:16 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: [Alug] locale RFC822 message headers Hello, Ive had this problem since installing Debian (potato), having no success in fixing it.. Its an annoyance more than anything: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_UK" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Looking around for help, a few people mention running 'locale-gen'. I dont have this on my system, should I? Any other ideas would be appreciated, thanks Andrew. _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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Visit from Tim.
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

All, I got this email from Josette at O'Reilly. I hope some of you can come. Tim O'Reilly has been one of thr driving forces behing Free software. MOre info on Tim can be found at http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/tim_bio.html Hope to see some of you there. Thanks D --- Josette Garcia <josette(a)oreilly.co.uk> wrote: Hi David Hope you are interested in the following. Tim O'Reilly will be at BT Labs on Wed. 9th August. You are all cordially invited to attend the talk. To register, please contact library(a)bt.com with name, affiliation and need of car park facility. Description of the talk - Title: The Pause before the Next Wave Speaker: Tim O'Reilly, President and CEO, O'Reilly & Associates Content: With this year's high-tech slowdown in full swing, programmers, web developers, system administrators, and other IT professionals are suddenly facing an uncertain future, as their stock options go underwater and layoffs replace seemingly bottomless demand for people with tech skills. The dotcom party has turned into an industry-wide hangover. But can this really be the end of an era? Date: Wednesday 8th August Venue: BT, Martlesham Heath Time: 15.00 That's all for now. All the best Josette ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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.NET has hope
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Found this on a O'Rielly website " In 1998, we helped found ActiveState in order to make Perl more accessible to Windows users. ActiveState's ASPN product line now provides tools, support, and services for Perl, Python, and XSLT, and Visual Studio plug-ins for these languages so that they can be used with Microsoft's new .Net framework. " Thanks D PS Earl, I like the .ARSE idea. Especially as in diving ARSE stands far Always the Right Stuff for the Evironment! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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locale
by Andrew J Glover 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hello, Ive had this problem since installing Debian (potato), having no success in fixing it.. Its an annoyance more than anything: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_UK" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Looking around for help, a few people mention running 'locale-gen'. I dont have this on my system, should I? Any other ideas would be appreciated, thanks Andrew.

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cron job
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi all, Just writing my first backup procedure and wondered on a few points: Does this check the directory /home/jenny/cwp exists? if [ -f /home/jenny/cwp/ ]; then Also, is there a standard place backups are filed? I've created a directory called backups for now in my home directory, and will copy the cwp/ directory into the backups directory, but it would be far neater to somehow roll the directory up into one neat zipped tarball on a daily basis and stuff it in a special backup place. At the mo I have cp -r /home/jenny/cwp/* /home/jenny/cwpbackup/ but could I have something like tar zcf /home/jenny/cwp > /backups/cwpbak.tar ? Thanks all, jenny.

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RE: Who .NEEDS it ...?
by Earl Brannigan 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Hi Andrew... On 19 July 2001 12:02, Andrew J Glover [SMTP:flexifoil@btinternet.com] wrote: > Umm. No. C# isnt C Like. Then it is a misappropriation of 'C'. If its Java-like then it is C-Like in so far as Java is C-Like. Like. >Very much Java like, and I actually found it a > little nicer to program than Java! Flame away! Flaming is not my speciality! (Complaining about M$ is though) We all have our preferences, it is likewise easier to program in Java than C++. But first you have to know Java, and first you have to know C# (Both would require an initial and ongoing investment of time and money to learn). If M$ hadn't been such w**nkers over Java, had co-operated instead of trying to embrace and extend then they could have helped to improve Java, contributed to its evolution. But NO. Because Sun wouldn't play ball and let M$ bastardise Java in their usual manner M$ decided to use their best boffins to 'innovate' something appears remarkably close to it (whether standards or not). And then there's the 'shared source' license ..... another time perhaps.. Cheers Regards Earl

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Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I was just sent this via the FSFEurope.org mailing lists. I recoil in horror that they might get away with this. What do others think? Is Java going to die, will this become an "optional" plug-in like VBRUN.dll was on Windows 3, or is Java mostly used on the server side anyway? Slashdotters will have seen this anyway, but here's choice clips from http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2790355,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnew… A Microsoft spokesman said Java support was diminished for "business reasons" After Windows XP is launched in October, users will be directed to download a plug-in from Microsoft's Web site (www.microsoft.com) to make Java-based programs work. "if you want your Web page accessible to the largest number of people, you may want to drop Java" and switch to Microsoft's competing set of products, which is under development and is known as .Net. Microsoft's new products will now screen out Java as a possible carrier of computer viruses in e-mail and, under high-security settings, in Web-browsing software. ... Microsoft's new security rules don't halt the transmission of e-mail attachments that contain Microsoft Word or Excel "macros," Microsoft didn't announce the change. [Above Copyright 2001 ZD Inc. See their site for confusing terms. I think this complies. Foo.]

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Re: [Alug] Mail Clients Which one do you use?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > [...] What I want to know is what is your mail set up and what is > its faults. Exim on the outbound (was an earlyish smail user), fetchmail on the inbound and Gnus on the user interface. It's a bit of a pig to set up initially, but it really does do everything.

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[fwd] Re: Very Worried at MS .net
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

As promised, the message from Alex Hudson to FSF Europe's Discussion list. To: discussion(a)fsfeurope.org Subject: Re: Very Worried at MS .net On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 01:10:27AM +0100, Alistair Davidson wrote: > .NET is a framework (VM, development tool, and standards suite) for > developing and deploying "web services" Not quite accurate - and this is why most people are confused. Ignore the marketing - .NET is the new Windows API. It provides a platform for web services, yes, but that's only one aspect of it. MS are pushing the web stuff hard, because it's a pretty new feature for them, but the other stuff shouldn't be ignored. Hailstorm and Passport are .net services - .net is as network integrated as you like, some things will only work over the network, some things will be local only. Hailstorm and Passport are two examples of .net services which are network-enabled. > One presumes that 3rd parties will be able to run HailStorm and > Passport-style services (MS claims that the HailStorm protocol is open, > at least). Hailstorm, I think you're right in saying, is open. Passport definitely isn't - and I would imagine that MS will want to keep it that way. Whether or not it can be reverse engineered depends on how well it's been done, I would suspect not. > There's no obvious reason, from the user or developer's end of things, > for MS to do this. I would forget the .net == Office For Rent scenario, it's not going to happen. Microsoft are too clever for that. > I'm not sure about passport, but how hard would it be to > reverse-engineer the thing if it's closed? Given it's supposed to be engineered around PKI, I would be surprised if it was reverse-engineerable, although it might be possible. I would assume, though, that MS will have gone to lengths to prevent people getting into it at a protocol level. Cheers, Alex.

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Problem Solved... for now... I think
by John Seago 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

I've got round my problems with Red Hat by installing Mandrake 8 over the top of it. the ultimate way out for the terminally confused. The Error message with balsa was `Authentication Failed'. Yesterday I realised that I actually had what I was looking for when I first got the Email and Web browser to work, as all the features were there that I used on Windows, (plus I can now get at my Windows files),but instead of just getting on and using it, I seem to have became hooked, and now will not give up until I can get everything working. Ultimate target a full set of Debian! (Is it addictive? I used to regard the computer as an electric typewriter with an electronic filing system, that cluttered up four times the space that my trusty typewriter did. Now I can't seem to stop until I can control it all!) John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Well, there are parts of .Net that are sane and sensible, and it doesn't > hurt to have another framework for internet application development. This one could. We all know where Linux fails most: where it's trying to play catch-up to a microsoft-led technology. It's time to stop staring at the competition waiting for them to make the next move and start blazing our own trail. After all, that's where the big advances and successes have been made: new technology. If we just slavishly follow, we'll always be behind and Linux will never make the mainstream. YMMV.

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Re: [Alug] Crashes on phylisophy
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Yup, it's the swiss army knife of mail readers. Haven't found the toggle > to make a cup of tea when new mail arrives yet, though. Really? In Gnus, you just add the x10 command function to the new mail hook. Welcome to the swiss army kitchen sink of mail readers ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Crashes on phylisophy
by MJ Ray 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > mutt can use any external editor you ask it to. I use it with both pico > and vim, depending on mood... if [ $(($RANDOM % 2)) == 1 ] ; then vim $* ; else pico $* ; fi ?

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Crashes on phylisophy
by David Freeman 19 Jul '01

19 Jul '01

Can some one please explain something. When ever I get really deap and into a reply to an email which is deap meaningful and usually very philisophical Netscape causes linux to crash. The symtoms are the computer can't keep up with my typing, the harddisk rattles away at full tilt and then the mouse wonders randomly around the screen with out control, this is driving me mad, can anyone explain why? also does anyone know of a mail client addon for VIM or any mail client which uses the Vi commands? thanks D PS Fozzy I will reply when I stop getting crashes! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Not even slightly. .Net is a framework for internet applications. Not quite. I'll forward the best explanation I've been sent as soon as I find it again. > .Net is yet another way of Microsoft embracing, > extending and ultimately consuming the internet. So, should Free Software (Mono, dotGNU) be aiding and abetting them in this smash and grab on Eden?

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Re: [Alug] Bash script help please!
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

bsamuels(a)datamansys.co.uk writes: > Can I automate this process from within a script? Yes, possibly, with .netrc and ftp, but why don't you tell us the actual problem you're trying to solve with this script and comparison and there's probably another solution out there.

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ISDN Question
by Mathew Bland 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hi, Does anyone have any experience with BTInternet and ASUSCom (with Winbond chipset) ISDN cards with Mandrake? The problem I have is this: I used to run Mandrake with an old ISA Eicon ISDN card, and I could connect to the internet and all was well with the world. Due to harddrive failure I lost Mandrake for a while and recently decided to reinstall it. This time around though, I have a new ASUSCom PCI ISDN card. Mandrake detected and (appeared) to set it all up correctly. I checked all the relevant files (resolv.conf,mycard,myisp,pap-secrets and chap-secrets) to ensure that it had set them all up ok and everything looked fine. So, I begin to connect to the internet in the normal way (ifup ippp0, isdnctrl dial ippp0 etc) and it appeared to connect correctly. The only problem is, that I cannot go *anywhere* on the internet. I cannot ping any internet IP (except the one given to me by the ISP on connection) and when I do a nslookup it fails to find the nameservers. Also the netgraph that I have running shoots up to full until I disconnect. I have heard that BTInternet uses CHAP authentication, could this be a problem?? I am considering putting the old card back in, but that strikes me as a bit defeatist... Mat

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