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Weekly IRC chat tomorrow
by John Woodard 10 Sep '00

10 Sep '00

Don't forget the weekly ALUG chat on eu.openprojects.net port 8001 tomorrow Mon 11 at 8:00pm. Cheers, BJ

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Next meeting venue?
by John Woodard 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

We still haven't got a venue for the next meeting sorted. Anybody who can accommodate get in touch. North Norfolk would be good. Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] (no subject)
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

Have you tried looking in 'Computing' or 'Network News'? There's usually lots of positions available. Andi Neill Newman <njnewm(a)essex.ac.uk> on 07/09/2000 10:15:54 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] (no subject) Mark Wilkinson wrote: > > Hey Guyz, > > Anyone know of any contract vacancies for a php/perl/mysql/apache guy? Am > available at the end of this month. Have tried various agencies but have > drawn a blank. I found this a few days ago which may be of help to all those out there ;).. www.jobserve.com hope you find something soon ;).. Sz > > Cheers. > > Mark Wilkinson. ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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We're open =)
by James Green 07 Sep '00

07 Sep '00

OK LinuxNewbie.Com is live... Yes it does exist :-). I'd appreciate some real testing by you guys including some feedback. I'm quite interested in how large/small the fonts look to you from various browsers in various platforms (Windows included). Unfortunately it's a bit hit-and-miss as to which browsers/platforms a problem with large text occurs. Anyhow, give it a look over (mainly for bugs) and hopefully you'll all feel an urge to contribute some content, perhaps even become a full staff member (voluntary, of course ;). I am in #linuxnewbie on irc.openprojects.net most sane hours (and a number of insane hours...), so come on by and talk. I look forward to your feedback... James Green, Site Manager LinuxNewbie.Com jg(a)linuxnewbie.com | jg(a)linux.com

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Re: [Alug] Unsubscribing and resubscribing
by MJ Ray 05 Sep '00

05 Sep '00

Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> writes: > Yeah, it doesn't work. I got bored with changing it every time Mark > changed the list software or moved the list. I'm sure it'll be fixed on > the shiny new website(tm). In the three years that STU has been running a listserver, there has been one (1) change of server software. Sorry if that's too fast-moving a target for you to hit. -- MJR, running for the hills as we speak

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Venue and IRC
by John Woodard 05 Sep '00

05 Sep '00

I couldn't make this Monday's chat either. :( Where are the logs? If we can't find an alternative venue as ever I'm always willing to host one at Syleham, although I'd prefer some alternative scenery. Cheers, BigJohn MJR wrote: > I regret to say that I won't be able to be online for this week's IRC > meeting, as I'll be somewhere with no net connection until Tuesday. > If someone could keep a log and send me the file, I'll process it and > post it up as before. > > The last two IRC meets have mainly concentrated on the website. > However, I think that's now under control, so it would be more useful > if this week's meeting could try to find us a venue for September's > meeting ;-) We're really stuck with UEA, being between arrivals > weekend and fresher's weekend, so anywhere with tables, electricity > and possibly a nearby bar would be welcome. > --

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ALUG-IRC becomes a regular event
by MJ Ray 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

Well, at ALUG-40 today, everyone there thought that making the IRC meetings a regular event was a good idea, so please join us online at 2000 (8pm) each Monday evening, on OpenProjects IRC. Server names include hogan.openprojects.net, eu.openprojects.net and irc.linux.com, but make sure to use port 8001. IRC clients include epic4, BitchX (console), kirc, kvirc (KDE), x-chat, yagirc (gnome), tkirc and netplug (Tcl/Tk) amongst many others. See you tomorrow? -- MJR (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.)

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ALUG-IRC3 -- The Venue Finder
by MJ Ray 02 Sep '00

02 Sep '00

I regret to say that I won't be able to be online for this week's IRC meeting, as I'll be somewhere with no net connection until Tuesday. If someone could keep a log and send me the file, I'll process it and post it up as before. The last two IRC meets have mainly concentrated on the website. However, I think that's now under control, so it would be more useful if this week's meeting could try to find us a venue for September's meeting ;-) We're really stuck with UEA, being between arrivals weekend and fresher's weekend, so anywhere with tables, electricity and possibly a nearby bar would be welcome. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Some structure...
by MJ Ray 02 Sep '00

02 Sep '00

"Ashley T. Howes" <ashley(a)blueskyresearch.net> writes: > I was thinking that to draw more people into the ALUG meetings it would be > a good idea to have 1 or 2 structured talks at each event for a duration of > 30 mins each (20-25 min talk, 5-10 mins Q&A). If members of the group talk > about stuff they have expertise in doing on Linux, the talks will require > very little preparation and probably done on the fly. > An initial list of talks could be: > Building a Linux cluster - Mark? I think given our failed attempt (network quality not good enough, machine spec not high enough), I think I'd better talk about our alternative solution of network management systems. ;-) > Using XML/Cocoon/etc - Andrew / Paul? I think it may be more interesting to either just have an XML/XSLT talk, or perhaps Paul would be able to talk about the background of the Apache Server Foundation (home to the Cocoon project)? It's a subject I ought to know more about and would like to know about. Cocoon itself is probably still too fast-moving a target to do a useful talk on. > Installing Linux for the first time Is there a newbie up for this? Perhaps it would be a good early talk to have "Introducing the new ALUG website". Things are happening, just far too slowly. It ought to be ready to accept new users in a week, max, though. On Wednesday I get fed up and do DNS-buggering to give it a temporary home ;-) -- MJR (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.)

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Re: [Alug] Some structure...
by John Heaser 02 Sep '00

02 Sep '00

>From: Joe Frost <joe_frost(a)omnis-software.com> >To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] Some structure... >As a list lurker and as yet, non-attender at meetings I would just like >to add my voice to this and say that I think it's an excellent idea. Me to - especially over the winter when there not so many other tempting things to do on sunny weekends! -- John Heaser one time ALUG attender

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Venue.
by C. N. Ross 31 Aug '00

31 Aug '00

All, So what kind of capacity does the meeting require? Does the venue require a connection to the outside world? Is there a group defining group config before the event such as DHCP setup etc. to save time on the day. Is there an agenda, other than fix web site? What is the duration of the meeting? A norwich or north norfolk meeting is good for me, does anyone else have a preference? CNR. alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > Send alug mailing list submissions to > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > alug-request(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > You can reach the person managing the list at > alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of alug digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New to this list (C. N. Ross) > 2. Re: New to this list (MJ Ray) > 3. Re: New to this list (Aquarius) > 4. Re: New to this list (MJ Ray) > 5. Re: New to this list (Aquarius) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 21:50:21 +0100 > From: "C. N. Ross" <cnr(a)dircon.co.uk> > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: [Alug] New to this list > Reply-To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > --------------75174C163553997E02B6AA27 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi, > > So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive? > > Regards, > > Christopher Ross > MCSE CCNA CCDA > > --------------75174C163553997E02B6AA27 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > <HTML> > Hi, > > So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive? > > Regards, > > Christopher Ross > MCSE CCNA CCDA</HTML> > > --------------75174C163553997E02B6AA27-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list > From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: 29 Aug 2000 22:05:07 +0100 > Reply-To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > Dang. This list is meant to bounce attachments. Sorry folks -- > filters tweaked. > > "C. N. Ross" <cnr(a)dircon.co.uk> writes: > > So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive? > > ALUG is alive and currently "stable, but improving". ALUG-IRC is held > on Mondays at 2000 in OpenProjects Net (server eu.openprojects.net > port 8001 #alug) and the most recent log (but not too interesting) is > at http://www.cloaked.freeserve.co.uk/comp/alugirc2.html > > In real life, ALUG-40 (aka "Brian", I think) was held last Sunday at > Syleham and equalled the lowest-ever turnout. Fixing the website is > seen as a priority, followed by putting together event publicity > material for local noticeboards and computer shops. > > The next ALUG meeting will be in about a month, probably 17th > September, but venue is TBC (Pete?). > > The mailing list is moderately quiet, but a steady stream of messages. > MIME attachments are unwelcome, so please try to make sure to send > plain-text only. > > Anything I've forgotten? > > -- > MJR > > (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:46:19 +0100 > From: Aquarius <aquarius(a)kryogenix.org> > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list > Reply-To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:05:07PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Dang. This list is meant to bounce attachments. Sorry folks -- > > filters tweaked. > > > > "C. N. Ross" <cnr(a)dircon.co.uk> writes: > > > So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive? > > > > ALUG is alive and currently "stable, but improving". > > Better than being "frozen", ah-ha-ha-ha. :) > > > ALUG-IRC is held > > on Mondays at 2000 in OpenProjects Net (server eu.openprojects.net > > port 8001 #alug) and the most recent log (but not too interesting) is > > at http://www.cloaked.freeserve.co.uk/comp/alugirc2.html > > I shall endeavour to make it next Monday. > > > In real life, ALUG-40 (aka "Brian", I think) was held last Sunday at > > Syleham and equalled the lowest-ever turnout. > > Pitiful failure to turn up on my part :-( > > > The next ALUG meeting will be in about a month, probably 17th > > September, but venue is TBC (Pete?). > > Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time? > > Aquarius > > -- > "If you have a problem > If no-one else can help > And if you can find them > Maybe you should hire - the Aq team" -- darlzie and Nef, #eddings > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list > From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: 29 Aug 2000 23:56:38 +0100 > Reply-To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > Aquarius <aquarius(a)kryogenix.org> writes: > > Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time? > > Is a North Norfolk venue possible? ;-) UEA has major problems with > late September, because of arrivals. I can't get a room on the 17th > (all booked out to arrivals) or confirmation until quite late (w/b > 11th) on anything we would want on the 24th. > > -- > MJR > > (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:38:10 +0100 > From: Aquarius <aquarius(a)kryogenix.org> > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] New to this list > Reply-To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:56:38PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Aquarius <aquarius(a)kryogenix.org> writes: > > > Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time? > > > > Is a North Norfolk venue possible? ;-) UEA has major problems with > > late September, because of arrivals. I can't get a room on the 17th > > (all booked out to arrivals) or confirmation until quite late (w/b > > 11th) on anything we would want on the 24th. > > Er. Adam? Have you moved to Cambridge now? > > There's the community centre here in North Walsham; no idea what we'd > need to do to get it, though. What are the prerequisites for a venue? > Electricity and tables? Or is it more complex than that? > > Aq. > > -- > "Aq's gone off me so many times I'm surprised he hasn't > rotted away by now. ;)" > -- Kamion, afe > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > alug mailing list > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > > End of alug Digest

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Re: [Alug] Venue.
by MJ Ray 31 Aug '00

31 Aug '00

"Al" <BioHazzard(a)mad.scientist.com> writes: > sheltered upbringing so if I hadn't asked I would never know :o) (I suppose > I should have trimmed the messages off the end, so now it's my turn???) Yes. Look, everyone, *PLEASE* trim your messages to only include the part of the message that relates to your reply, as it's a waste of bandwidth, space, time, etc. Generally, including the quote *before* your reply is nice, too. Future blatent abuse will get a quiet request, then a boot (probably to the clueless mailing list if I can find it again). Harsh, but we need to keep the list operating reasonably. I don't know what the world's coming to -- seldom a week goes by on my main work email list without the list admin reposting the rules and intro because of abuses. Now can we stop this pointless discussion and get back to lobbing venue ideas about, like the subject says, please? Thanks ;-) -- MJR (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.)

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Re: [Alug] New to this list
by MJ Ray 30 Aug '00

30 Aug '00

Aquarius <aquarius(a)kryogenix.org> writes: > Is this likely to be the Norwich end of the world this time? Is a North Norfolk venue possible? ;-) UEA has major problems with late September, because of arrivals. I can't get a room on the 17th (all booked out to arrivals) or confirmation until quite late (w/b 11th) on anything we would want on the 24th. -- MJR (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.)

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Re: [Alug] New to this list
by MJ Ray 30 Aug '00

30 Aug '00

Dang. This list is meant to bounce attachments. Sorry folks -- filters tweaked. "C. N. Ross" <cnr(a)dircon.co.uk> writes: > So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive? ALUG is alive and currently "stable, but improving". ALUG-IRC is held on Mondays at 2000 in OpenProjects Net (server eu.openprojects.net port 8001 #alug) and the most recent log (but not too interesting) is at http://www.cloaked.freeserve.co.uk/comp/alugirc2.html In real life, ALUG-40 (aka "Brian", I think) was held last Sunday at Syleham and equalled the lowest-ever turnout. Fixing the website is seen as a priority, followed by putting together event publicity material for local noticeboards and computer shops. The next ALUG meeting will be in about a month, probably 17th September, but venue is TBC (Pete?). The mailing list is moderately quiet, but a steady stream of messages. MIME attachments are unwelcome, so please try to make sure to send plain-text only. Anything I've forgotten? -- MJR (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.)

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New to this list
by C. N. Ross 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

Hi, So is there anyone out there? Is ALUG atcive? Regards, Christopher Ross MCSE CCNA CCDA

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Thanks for trying Mark!
by Terry Filby 27 Aug '00

27 Aug '00

I'm trying a little 'fiddle' with Debian that you put in this afternoon before I delete it. Could you please tell me what password you put in for Root please. Thanks Terry

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Transport from Norwich?
by James Green 26 Aug '00

26 Aug '00

Last hope... Anyone able to provide transport from Norwich to ALUG? Email me for my number if you like. -- James Green jg(a)linux.com Programmer jg(a)bp2bp.com Programmer, Manager jg(a)linuxnewbie.com

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Re: [Alug] IRC and Sunday
by MJ Ray 26 Aug '00

26 Aug '00

Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> writes: > * Need a server to host it on (not one of our UEA boxen as there's a bit > of a crack-down going on at the moment about non-UEA accounts on them); We have one, I believe: MartynD's "bleeding-edge" machine? Have you been asleep, Mr Savory? Anyway, the website being at UEA only precludes non-UEA maintainers, which isn't the same but still not healthy. > * Need CVS and/or ssh access to it, as there will be statics as well as > slashdot-style stuff; No, if we have zope, we don't need this, as it has internal versioning and web-based admin. It may be useful for a few people to have access, but "a shell for all" is not required, as we all have our own Linux boxes, don't we? ;-) > * Probably need to divide it into logical sections and get people to own > each section, eg news, links, meetings. Yes, this is intentional. > * Should probably move mailing lists to it too (alug@stu makes less sense > than something(a)anglian.lug, no?) I'm reluctant to have all the eggs in one basket (if we lose one machine or the other in a blazing fireball, we can reconstruct very quickly if there's already somewhere with alug access), but a forwarder probably makes sense. > Of course, I'm +1 for writing all content in XML and sticking Cocoon on > the front-end :-) Of course, you have a -1 weighting for the state of the current site. ;-) Personally, I'd rather use the mature system to get a kick-arse site right now than fight with an alpha framework to get something up soon. That's why I use Linux not Win2k... /me slaps self for use of FUD -- MJR (For addresses, telephones, fax, etc, see headers.)

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Re: [Alug] IRC and Sunday
by MJ Ray 26 Aug '00

26 Aug '00

Aquarius <aquarius(a)kryogenix.org> writes: > It would be quite nice if a transcript were made available, or perhaps an > excerpted transcript. I couldn't make it back because I was exceedingly > delayed at work :( It'll move when the new website appears, but for now it's at: http://www.cloaked.freeserve.co.uk/comp/alugirc1.html (& mirrors worldwide...) "Ooh" as the initial thrill of IRC logs hits you... "Coo" as you see the early invasion of the TSW chatters... "Ahh" as I completely ignore Brett's suggestion of building the new website on alpha-release Java software called Cocoon-2... "Erk" as you release it's halfway through the session before useful stuff really starts happening. > On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:35:20PM +0100, John Woodard wrote: > > Who is coming on Sunday and what are you bringing? I know we are trying to I'll be coming, but as usual, I'm not sure I'll be transporting a machine out to the wilds of suffolk. I'll p-p-p-pick up a hub tomorrow and can give 3 lifts from Diss station if you email me off-list with times before Sat. -- MJR

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Next Meeting
by John Woodard 25 Aug '00

25 Aug '00

Confirmation that the next ALUG will be @ Syleham Village Hall on Sun 27th Aug between 2:00 and 6:30. Can somebody update the web site? I will post announce messeges to the relavent newsgroups. The hall will cost us £7.50 - we can have a whip round. I forgot about it last time! Cheers, BJ

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IRC and Sunday
by John Woodard 24 Aug '00

24 Aug '00

What is the general consensus of opinion on last Mondays IRC meeting, was it a success, is it worth doing again? If so is it worth doing it between meetings? I thought it went fairly well with at least some of the pressing items coming up for discussion so maybe... Who is coming on Sunday and what are you bringing? I know we are trying to sort out the web site and other mundane admin stuff. So far the only requests for Sunday have been Terry Filby, who wants some assistance getting anything to work on his desktop box and me, I could use a little help with lilo on 'rodney'. Cheers, BJ

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Transport from Norwich?
by James Green 22 Aug '00

22 Aug '00

Hey all, Anyone able to offer some transportation from Norwich to the next ALUG meet? Willing to share the cost. Thanks, -- James Green jg(a)linux.com Programmer jg(a)bp2bp.com Programmer, Manager jg(a)linuxnewbie.com

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Another go please!?
by Terry Filby 22 Aug '00

22 Aug '00

My first ALUG meeting was at Aylsham when Andrew Savory very kindly put a Debian distro on my Packard Bell Executive, not without problems, but he, unlike myself, had the experience to get out of them, it was fine for a month or three, and then I tried to upgrade it, but only succeeded in mucking the installation up - I have tried several distro's since then, all with no success, apart from Lnx4Win from Mandrake which, of course, runs on the window partition, so no problem, though it wasn't as good or as fast as a dedicated partition for it. I have recently bought a 2nd-hand Thinkpad 560E with Mandrake 7.0 installed on it for me, but I would still like a 'proper' distro, preferably Debian, as I was very much impressed with the one Andy put on, but I have several other distro's on CD, including Suse 6.4 and all the Linux Format cover disks plus others. I would like, if possible - and if someone could install it for me - to bring my computer to Sylham next Sunday along with all of my distro's if needed, I have 3 CD's of Debian, but would like the latest one if I can. Thanks Terry

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[OT] XML One London
by James Green 22 Aug '00

22 Aug '00

Got a bit in the post today about XML One in London, 18-20th October 2000. If anyone's interested the web address is: http://www.xmlconference.com/london/index.asp Looks reasonably impressive, anyone been to past conferences? Opinions? -- James Green jg(a)linux.com Programmer jg(a)bp2bp.com Programmer, Manager jg(a)linuxnewbie.com

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promotion for Sun 27th
by John Woodard 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

The following announce message has been sent to: uk.comp.os.linux uk.local.east-anglia comp.os.linux.announce pcplus.linux pcplus.linux.beginer start of message Announce: ALUG Anglian Linux Users Group UK next meet Sun, 27th Aug 2000 2:00 - 6:00 pm at Syleham Village Hall, Syleham, Nr. Eye, Suffolk. Info: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/index.html Directions: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/alug5.html end of message Any where else we need to announce? Cheers, BJ

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