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Alternatives to SMTP when the network fails
by Mark Rogers 19 Dec '10

19 Dec '10

Can't think of a good subject for this, sorry! I have a customer with an ADSL line and direct delivery of email via SMTP to their external IP (into Exchange). The MX record for the domain points to one of my servers running Postfix, which basically forwards mail to their IP if it is up. So far so good.... However, they've just suffered a BT-inflicted ADSL outage that's lasted several days and they want to have a backup for the future. They're going down the 3G backup route (using a router which falls over from ADSL to 3G), but this will give them a dynamic IP when on 3G and, more importantly, we've found out the hard way that in general 3G providers do not allow us to make incoming connections (whether on port 25 or any other). So, my question is: what is the best solution to this? I have come up with several options: - Move the email to POP3 delivery, ie mail ends up in a POP3 mailbox on my server, they collect periodically from that box. From experience this causes problems with Exchange, although I don't recall what exactly. - Provide some kind of POP3/IMAP access to the Postfix mailqueue, so in normal use mail comes via SMTP, but when they switch to 3G they can access the mailqueue (using POP3 or IMAP, and then by extension via webmail) as a temporary measure, with the mail coming in via SMTP as normal once the connection is restored. However, I have no idea if this is even possible? - Drop everything to a POP3 mailbox on the server, but configure fetchmail to deliver it to them via SMTP if the connection is up. Sort of half-way between the two above options. - Setup a VPN between the mail server and the exchange server, and deliver to the VPN address. This seems like the "best" option although I have no idea whether it is practical having never tried it. I'd assume OpenVPN as the best VPN solution? I also don't know how well it would scale if I want to then do this with lots of other sites? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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SQL question - how to find the 'nearest match', a sort of 'FUZZY LIKE' select?
by Chris G 16 Dec '10

16 Dec '10

This is a wierd sort of question I know but I can't find any other way around the problem at the moment. I'm writing some code (in PHP, in a Dokuwiki plugin) which retrieves data from a database when a link is clicked. The link one clicks is a town name but, because it's a link, Dokuwiki massages the name to make it not have any 'difficult' characters in it - i.e. it switches to all lower case, accented characters are un-accented and non-letters are changed to underscores. E.g. :- Deûlémont becomes deulemont Halluin/Menin becomes halluin_menin In my plugin I get the massaged town names and I want a way to run a select on the database to get the data for those towns. Can anyone suggest a way that one might be able to do this? I guess I can change all underscores to wildcards, that gets over that issue, but I can't see how to handle the accented characters, i.e. :- deulemont won't match Deûlémont even using LIKE I'm using the default Sqlite3 at the moment, does anyone know if any of the more 'heavyweight' databases have a way to fuzzy match accented characters with their non-accented equivalents? I can quite easily switch to mySql or postgresql. -- Chris Green

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"Warning: we recommend you do not upgrade to ubuntu 10.04"
by James Freer 16 Dec '10

16 Dec '10

performance / high load average problems - mint 9 too? I read this last evening about ubuntu 10.04 - any of you developer folk tested it by any chance? http://linuxforums.org.uk/ubuntu/warning-we-recommend-you-do-not-upgrade-to… I found ubuntu 10.10 unusable and yet these folk say it's ok. I was wondering if it was solved for xfce Mint 9? Or is this why Mepis decided on debian distros? yours james

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How to make ssh reverse tunnel as secure as possible?
by Chris G 15 Dec '10

15 Dec '10

As per previous discussions I'm going to set up an ssh reverse tunnel from my eeePC on the boat to my server at home. I will use autossh to run the ssh command on the eeepC so that it will get restarted if it dies for any reason. The ssh command run on the eeePC on the boat will be something like:- ssh -R 54321:localhost:22 user(a)my.home.server this then allows me to do the following to make an ssh connection from the home server to the eeePC on the boat:- ssh -p 54321 localhost So far, so good, that works fine (I've checked it out with a netbook at home). However I'd like to make it as secure as possible, the 'hole' I would like to plug is that I have generated an ssh key without a passphrase on the boat eeePC (which is copied to the 'user' login on the home server) so that the 'ssh -R ....' command runs without requiring any passphrase or password. (I can't use an agent really, it needs to be able to work completely unattended from power up) The 'user' login is dedicated to the ssh connection so doesn't belong to a real person and doesn't own any files, it would allow passwordless access to a shell though at the moment. Is there any way of allowing ssh to connect still but to prevent it from actually doing anything at all? There's no need for 'user' to be able to do anything and if it can be set up so there's no shell or anything the passwordless login doesn't offer an intruder anything useful really. -- Chris Green

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Best virtualisation tool to run Linux on Windows
by Mark Rogers 15 Dec '10

15 Dec '10

I need to create a small VM to run a Linux server on a Windows PC. The server will be headless and provide a web interface so its own memory requirements should be fairly low, so I'm looking for something to run the virtual server with the least resources I can get away with. Ideally I need the host PC (Win7 32-bit 1GB RAM) to still be functional as a PC with the virtual machine running.... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Isn't the default way that 'locate' works rather useless?
by Chris G 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

I like the *idea* of the locate command but find that the way it works by default is pretty useless. When I say 'locate filexyz' I want to find a file (or maybe a directory) called filexyz, I don't want to see every file which has filexyz as part of its name, nor do I want to see every file in the hierarchy below a directory called filexyz. Surely it would be more useful if the default was to do something similar to 'find' which will only find exact matches unless you specify otherwise. It would also be useful to be able to limit the search to a specified directory hierarchy but I don't think locate can do that at all (whereas find does it by default). As locate works by default one almost inevitably gets about ten thousand lines of useless 'hits' which completely hide anything useful. It's only if you happen to want to find a really oddly named file (or directory) that you get a sane number of hits. I know that one *can* make locate more selective but it's hardly intuitive to say:- locate -b `\filexyz' to get an exact match. Sorry, this is just a rant really after having my screen once again filled up with thousands of unwanted/useless hits. If anyone can offer a way of getting the same result as:- find . -name filexyz but with the speed of using locate's database then I'd live to hear of it. (OK, the find syntax is hardly user friendly but I'm more used to it) -- Chris Green

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Recommended dynamic DNS services - and how to configure them?
by Chris G 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

I want to make it easy to find my eeePc server that I'm going to leave running on my boat in Belgium, it's connecting using a 3-G router which offers four possible DDNS services:- dyndns.org freedns.afraid.org www.zoneedit.com www.no-ip.com Does anyone have any experience of using any of these services, any recommendations? Next - I've tried to set up with freedns.afraid.org and I don't really unbderstand what I'm doing! I've created an account there and have entered the details of that account into the 3-G router configuration. What I don't understand is the last parameter it asks for which is DDNS. Presumably DDNS is the domain name tat you select as the one to access the dynamic IP server - however I don't understand where I get that from at freedns.afraid.org. -- Chris Green

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openvpn - beginners guide wanted
by Chris G 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Since Brett recommended openvpn as a way to handle communications with my difficult to access eeePC I have decided to give it a try. I have installed the Ubuntu openvpn distribution on the eeePC and haven't run out of space which is a good start! :-) Now I'm a bit lost, presumably I need to install openvpn on my server at home too, that's easy enough, but what next? I can't find any simple 'how to' guides that tell me how to enable communication between the two systems. My basic need is to have the eeePC out in Belgium start up the connection but then to be able to access that eeePC from the server at home. I've looked at the documentation at openvpn.net but it's a bit overwhelming. Any ideas or reecommendations for 'gentler' ways in would be very welcome. -- Chris Green

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Adding routes
by James Bensley 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Evening all, I posted this on another mailing list but I think there are a couple here that might be able to help. I am struggling to get the syntax right to add an equal-cost multi-path route under BSD and wondered if anyone out there could correct my mistake? I'm running FreeBSD 8.1 (actually its pfSense 2.0 Beta 4!). I have a virtual sand box on the go, I'm trying for something along the lines of: route add -net 0.0.0.0/32 equalize nexthop via 192.168.0.1 nexthop via 192.168.0.2 With the intention of balancing per-packet across each of these gateways except I get this error instead: route: writing to routing socket: Network is unreachable add net 0.0.0.0: gateway equalize: Network is unreachable I'm rather tired, this stupid box has no man pages, so I stabbed again with: route add -net 0.0.0.0/32 via 192.168.0.1 via 192.168.0.2 equalize route: bad address: via Clearly my syntax is way out, but I'm tired and stuck for ideas. Anyone have clue to spare? -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ There are 10 kinds of people in the world; Those who understand Vigesimal, and J others...?

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Reverse ssh set-up and/or alternatives
by Chris G 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

So I don't seem to be able to make connections *to* my eeePc that's sitting connected to a 3-G router, so the alternative is to get it to connect 'outwards' using ssh and to tunnel through that ssh connection from outside to enable me to connect to the eeePc and do anything necessary remotely. I really only need command line access. Are there any alternative ways of doing this or is ssh port-mapping the best way to do it? The other issue is somehow to restart the connection if/when it goes down (which it does fairly frequently, this is a somewhat flakey area for 3-G) - any clever ideas? -- Chris Green

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Re: [ALUG] Dual Boot & Partition For Files
by Simon Royal 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

Simon I am intending on using Ubuntu as my main, but would like the option to switch distros if I fancied it, and would prefer not to have my files tied in with my os partition. Would like to try Mint and Mint LXDE on it too. Also I used the mac-fuse 3g drives for ntfs and it is very ropey and unstable in osx. Out of the box, native reading sounds good to me. I am not a fan of ntfs. I can see the plus side on large drives, but I am only using a 60gb drive. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From:Simon Elliott To:Anglian Linux User Group Subject:Re: [ALUG] Dual Boot & Partition For Files On 13 December 2010 10:24, Simon Royal <mrsimonroyal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [snip snip] > > Am I correct in thinking to have read/write from both Ubuntu and XP the 'files' partition would need to be FAT32 and not NTFS? This was the case a few years back but Ubuntu supports read/write to NTFS with the 3G fuse drivers. sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g will sort that out. Similarly, there's a freebie app for Windows that allows it to read ext3. http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html#acc_ext3 http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html If you're going the whole hog, using the Ubuntu install as your "main" OS on the laptop, I'd go for a small partition for XP, leave the rest of the space to Ubuntu and access the files in /home/user on Windows using the above app. Cheers, Simon _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Dual Boot & Partition For Files
by Simon Royal 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

Hi I am awaiting the arrival of my ThinkPad and when it arrives I have some RAM and internal wireless card and a 60GB hard drive to slap in it. Im intending on running Ubuntu and XP Home on it. Ive dual booted before no problems. What I would like to do is have a small 10GB partition for each OS to install on and the rest for a place to save files so I can access it from both OSes. Am I correct in thinking to have read/write from both Ubuntu and XP the 'files' partition would need to be FAT32 and not NTFS? Simon

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Back With A ThinkPad
by Simon Royal 13 Dec '10

13 Dec '10

Hi After some searching I picked up a cheap ThinkPad R31. Hopefully it will be here before Christmas. Then I can be back on the linux route. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside XP. Simon

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Laptop wanted preferably Thinkpad.
by Simon Royal 12 Dec '10

12 Dec '10

Hi Does anyone have a laptop for sale. I am looking for one about the 1Ghz mark, preferably a ThinkPad but will consider anything. I'll be using it for Ubuntu or Mint. I have cash waiting or swap for an iBook G3. Simon

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Re: [ALUG] Linux printing and Laserjet 1000
by Phil Wade 12 Dec '10

12 Dec '10

On 11 Dec 2010 18:22 Wayne Stallwood wrote: <snip> > Wait....are you telling me you have a LaserJet 1000 that still works ? > > :) > Yep. It was given to me a few years ago by a customer when the toner ran out. It sounds like changing the car when the ashtray is full, but she wanted a colour printer... I've re-filled it a couple of times, and it still works fine - with Windoze. >> > Has anyone, ever, been able to get on of these Laserjet 1000 things to >> > work with any flavour of Linux? If so I'd be very grateful to learn the >> > secret. > I think I am right in saying that series of printers needs a firmware > file shooting up it's USB port before it will run. Try looking at the > foo2zjs driver, you'll probably find that you already have it but you > need to do some magic to download a firmware image and shoot it up to > the printer as it initialises. > > Sorry I can't help more Thanks for that though. I have the foo2zjs downloaded and installed. With all my failed attempts, I can get the firmware to load each time the computer boots (the printer acknowledges with LEDs flashing and the usual grindy noise) and Linux (usually Ubuntu) can see the printer and thinks it's printing to it - but then nothing. Not even a failure notice or a stalled print queue. I seem to remember others with the same problem when I was Googling, but no-one had a better answer than "try it again". With laser printers so cheap now, maybe I should just give up and get one that I know works with Linux. But, I hate discarding something that works - especially when it was free!

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Gnome help please!
by ted.harding＠wlandres.net 11 Dec '10

11 Dec '10

Hi Folks On an older laptop [A], running Debian Etch and Gnome 2.14.3, my "power managment" blanks the screen (totally) after about 10 minutes idle time. Then, when I do anything (e.g. move the mouse or press Ctrl) it instantly comes back again, with no nonsense. This is how I like it. On a more recent laptop [B], running Debian Lenny and Gnome 2.22.3, the screen blanks after idle time (though still faintly glowing, which I would rather not have). Then, when again I do anything (as above) it comes back again, but with a window which requires me to enter my password (and this I definitely want to get rid of)! Looking at the Power Management configuration menus, they are similar (though not identical) on the two machines. I seem to have essentially the same settings on both, so I would like to expect identical behaviour -- and, in particular, no requirement to enter the password on [B]. What am I missing? Or is the newer Gnome just like that? (And why do they have to mess about with something so basic?) Settings: On [A]: Desktop --> Preferences --> Power Management "Running on AC": "Put display to sleep when computer is inactive for" 30 minutes "Put computer to sleep when it is inactive for" Never "Running on Battery": "Put display to sleep when computer is inactive for" 5 minutes "Put computer to sleep when it is inactive for" 20 minutes "Actions": "When battery power critical:" Shutdown "General": "Sleep type when inactive:" Do nothing on [B]: Desktop --> Preferences --> Power Management "On AC Power": "Actions" "Put computer to sleep when inactive for" Never "When laptop lid is closed" Blank screen "Display" "Put display to sleep when inactive for" 20 minutes "Set display brightness tlo:" 100% "[] Dim display when idle ([] not checked) "On Battery Power": "Actions" "Put computer to sleep when inactive for" Never "When laptop lid is closed" Suspend "When battery is criticall low" Shut down "Display" "Put display to sleep when inactive for" 20 minutes "[] Reduce backlight brightness" ([] unchecked) "[] Dim display when idle" ([] unchecked) "General": "Actions" "When the power button is pressed" Ask me "When the suspend button is pressed" Suspend (Plus options for notification icons and "extras") With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)wlandres.net> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 11-Dec-10 Time: 17:32:13 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Linux printing and Laserjet 1000
by Phil Wade 11 Dec '10

11 Dec '10

Hi, I've been trying to use Linux (any version) as a print server for the PCs on my home network that use Ubuntu, Mint, XP and 7. I have two Epson printers that work fine on any distro. However, my default printer is an HP Laserjet 1000. Very basic, but perfect for everyday printing in monochrome. I cannot get it to work with Linux. I've spent hours Googling and trying out various suggestions. These have included downloading stuff from HP and stuff that needed to be compiled. No luck. Not a single page. I've currently got an old Compaq laptop running XP that does it without any effort (dammit) but I'd much rather use my main desktop machine that sits next to the printer and dual boots Ubuntu and Mint. Has anyone, ever, been able to get on of these Laserjet 1000 things to work with any flavour of Linux? If so I'd be very grateful to learn the secret. -- Phil Wade

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Strange man pages with .1so suffix, roff 'symbolic links', documented anywhere?
by Chris G 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

I'm having a frustrating time trying to configure some man pages provided by owfs (1-wire file system). I have configured and built the software OK and it works but it would be really nice if I could read the man pages that come with it. The man pages are in a slightly 'out of the way' place:- /opt/owfs/share/man but that's OK if one adds the above directory to the file /etc/manpath.config, so I have done that and a couple of man pages are now visible. However when I run mandb to rebuild the man pages index I get loads of errors like the following:- mandb: warning: /opt/owfs/share/man/man1/device.1so: whatis parse for device(1so) failed mandb: can't open /opt/owfs/share/man/ownet.1: No such file or directory mandb: warning: /opt/owfs/share/man/man1/ownetlib.1: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request mandb: warning: /opt/owfs/share/man/man1/configuration.1so: whatis parse for configuration(1so) failed mandb: warning: /opt/owfs/share/man/man1/format.1so: whatis parse for format(1so) failed mandb: warning: /opt/owfs/share/man/man1/timeout.1so: whatis parse for timeout(1so) failed mandb: can't open /opt/owfs/share/man/owshell.1: No such file or directory mandb: warning: /opt/owfs/share/man/man1/owdir.1: bad symlink or ROFF `.so' request It turns out that the .1so files are some sort of nroff/troff internal sort of symbolic link though I can find out little more. Does anyone know how these are supposed to work? Google is useless becauser it generates thousands of hits for ISO which mask anyhting useful. All I want to do is read the man pages! -- Chris Green

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Bash Substitution
by Richard Parsons 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

If I do: echo "1 2 3" > test and then cat test, then I can see the contents of the file, including the new lines. However, if I do: VARIABLE=$(cat test) echo $VARIABLE then the output has spaces instead of new lines. Why is that? And how could I stop that from happening? TIA, Richard

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X vs "WayaAnd"??
by ted.harding＠wlandres.net 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Apologies to any of you that may be afflicted by my cross-posting ... I have (quite accidentally) come across the news that Ubuntu seek to implement a graphics system called "Wayland" as a replacement for X-Windows, on grounds like "We don't believe X is set up to deliver the user experience we want, with super-smooth graphics and effects," Shuttleworth explained. There is an article in PCWorld about it: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210018/ ubuntu_will_adopt_wayland_graphics_system.html (Equivalently: http://tinyurl.com/3ygzme3 ) and, it seems from other sources, Fedora plan to do the same (though I'm not seeing any such signs on the Debian front). Wayland may be more glitzy (for all I know) and more likely to pull in users who currently prefer the Mac experience and the like. But I am seriously perturbed by the following (in the above article): "Among the X11 capabilities not included in Wayland is network transparency." The Joy of X has been that one can run different programs on different machines all the while sitting at the one machine, with X happily transmitting anything X-ish over the network to be happily displayed by the X-server on one's own machine. Would this cease? And, in the case of the other machines which may be old and running only X, even if Wayland can offer "network transparency" could it provide a display server on the Wayland machine for X applications running on other machines (and not just in Linux -- other machines running "real" Unix with X can communicate just as well)? If not, then Linux as we know it could cease to exist! Transparent networking with X is one of the joys of Linux/Unix. Any views/news? Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)wlandres.net> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 09-Dec-10 Time: 19:45:57 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Ubuntu-xerox-cups won't print large files
by Jenny Hopkins 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Hi ALUG, I have an annoying CUPS printer problem: Printer: Xerox workcentre pro 128 Driver: v3015.103 Cups server running on Ubuntu connection socket://{xerox_ip} The problem is when trying to print a large file (the test file is a 731K pdf doc). Error log for cups shows D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Wrote 4096 bytes of print data... D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Read 4096 bytes of print data... D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Wrote 4096 bytes of print data... (for many many lines.. ...and then....) D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Read 8192 bytes of print data... D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Wrote 8192 bytes of print data... Then it comes out with some cupsd type stuff like: D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:45 +0000] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Notifications (/) from localhost D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:45 +0000] cupsdSetBusyState: Printing jobs and dirty files D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:45 +0000] cupsdReadClient: 12 WAITING Closing on EOF then back to the 8192 thing, then it hangs and the Xerox dies and has to be turned on and off. Cups web page error says: "Unable to write print data: Broken pipe" I changed connection from socket to lpd but not much difference, apart from the cups web page changed to: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed" I tried printing to cups-pdf then printing from the generated doc, but no difference. Does anybody know if this means the printer itself hasn't enough memory, or if the cups server has a file limit set somewhere? Or any other ideas? Many thanks, More log files can be supplied on request but I've just been trawling about trying to find a solution to this, and reading through page after page of people posting up their entire cups error logs had started to get very tedious.... Jenny

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How to get to single user mode from boot?
by Chris G 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

I have got myself locked out of my old eeePC 7" netbook, I don't understand why, but anyway - is there a way to get to single user mode without a CD or USB memory stick to boot from? I'm out in Belgium away from home with this netbook (Acer Aspire One) which is all working OK and the old eeePC 700 serie that I want to configure and leave here. I can download a certain amount here (3-G connection) but big downloads are out. Is there maybe a minimal download I can do to create a bootable memory stick to sort out the eeePC? (I have a memory stick and can download tens of Mb without too much problem) -- Chris Green

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Re: [ALUG] Travelodge Wifi
by Jim Rippon 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Mark, Keith and Tim, Thanks for your replies - I was a bit short on useful information in my last message, sorry. I can associate with the AP and obtain an IP fine, my problems are that once connected I can't get the registration page to load. In Window$, it comes up fine (in both Chrome and Firefox), but in Ubuntu I just get a broken img artefact and a message to the effect of "service not available try again later" I'd be happy to just use something else, but as I paid for wifi with my room, I kinda feel a bit cheated that I can't use it for is intended purpose to practise and revise my coursework. Thanks for your input :) Jim Sent from Samsung mobile

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Travelodge Wifi
by Jim Rippon 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Hi all, I'm stuck in a Travelodge in Marylebone this week while renewing my RHCE certification. Unfortunately I can only get connected to the travelodge wifi from Windows on my laptop - doesn't seem to make much difference which browser choice I make when back in Linux where I want to me. Any suggestions more than welcome :) Jim

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Re: [ALUG] Linux Laptop
by Steve Engledow 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

> Id love a new Mac but cant afford it. No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;) > So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside > Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows). If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense. > It needs to be fairly small, with a built in CD drive, USB, PCMCIA > slot and built in sound. I know that all sounds fairly standard but > Ive had machines in the past few years without some of these. > > It really needs to be at least a 1Ghz machine capable of 1GB RAM - > DDR preferably but PC133 would be ok. I bought a low-end Toshiba jobbie a while back and it's done me pretty well over the years. Anything brought out within the last 5 years or so is likely supported fairly well. I now await the reply which shoots that down ;) HTH, HAND Steve P.S. Sorry Simon, I blindly hit the reply button forgetting that I wasn't in mutt.

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