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Spreadsheet (Gnumeric or other) - how to insert a page break in printout?
by Chris G 21 Feb '10

21 Feb '10

This is a stupidly trivial question but I can't find out how to do it. I have a wide spreadsheet (currently in Gnumeric) and I simply want to tell it where (i.e. at which column) to start printing on a new page. I can't find *anywhere* that even seems to think that's something you'd want to do, let alone how to do it. If I could simply insert a fromfeed character into the first row cell in that column it would do but I can't even do that. Help!!! -- Chris Green

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What 'conversion' changes those = and =E9 in text to the proper characters?
by Chris G 21 Feb '10

21 Feb '10

I have some text which has lots of '= ' and '=E9' strings in it which should be just spaces and è. What would convert this text to properly readable text? Mutt seems to manage it OK (it's a mail message) but I want to do it myself to display it elsewhere and it doesn't seem to be just a simple iconv() conversion as what seems to be in the message are actual '=E9' strings not iso-8859-1 characters with more than 7 bits. Presumably it's encoded to fit in strict 7-bit ASCII but how do I unencode it? -- Chris Green

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Puppy Linux... Wow!
by Simon Royal 20 Feb '10

20 Feb '10

Hi. I tried the Puppy Linux live cd yesterday and I was impressed but I couldn't get wireless to work even though the Puppy forum said my devices should work out of the box. Well, I decided to install it to see how well it ran and whether the wireless would work. I am pleased to say it absolutely screams along even on a P2 300Mhz with 160MB RAM. It is amazing to watch. No other distro I have tried performs anywhere near as well. Also, my wireless devices work and after a bit of configuring - more of a way Puppy configures rather than how difficult it was to sort - I am pleased to say I am writing this email within Puppy running a Buffalo WLI-CB-G54A wireless PCMCIA card. I think I have found the best distro for such a low spec machine. It is amazingly fast and blows Windows 2000/XP out of the water. Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

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Re: [ALUG] latest solar info
by Wayne Stallwood 20 Feb '10

20 Feb '10

Jenny Hopkins wrote: >> Confused about solar. Tony reckons the inox have mirrors on the >> outside that need servicing, but Wayne showed me that the solaressence >> ones trhat he has have a newer version that have them on the inside. >> > > Reflector details vary, but it's all terribly minor details. All you > should care about is overall cost vs. power output. Is tony suggesting > that you need to get up on the roof every 10 years and wipe down the > reflectors? Probably a good idea. Mine are still v.shiny after 2 yrs. > A wipe in another few years might be an idea. > > Internal reflectors must be smaller, by definition, so collect less > sun. Refelectors of any design make no more than 10% difference to > output. At most sun angles they are hidden behind the tubes. > > Is this from wookey ? I agree with everything he is saying there..the reflectors help with severely off axis sunlight and try and bounce some back onto the tubes...this helps me a tiny bit I think in the afternoons during the autum/spring where the sun's angle is such that as of about 3PM it is hitting the tubes more from the side than above. Yes my CPC mirrors are internal to the tubes and therefore smaller and less efficient than the ones that sit under the tubes with the advantage that they can't get dirty...but I can't imagine external CPC mirrors need frequent cleaning as has been claimed..and the tubes themselves will only get mucky at the same rate as a flat panel. The flat panel systems were shown to be the basis of less efficient systems (when a whole years savings were taken into consideration) in a DTI report done in 2001...since then Evacuated Tube panels have only improved (and as far as I am aware there have been no further developments in flat panel tech) As I understand it the issue with panels is two-fold...one there is a big surface area to radiate collected heat before it can be drawn down to the tank..so on cold but sunny days you are losing some potential. Also as soon as the light output is a bit too far off axis you get significant reflection losses from the flat collection area..whereas naturally with a tube, part of the surface is on axis at all time sun is hitting that area of roof. Generally everything I have read says that in a climate that can be cold but sunny or where there is frequent cloud cover you will see better results from a ET setup..which is why most modern installations in this country seem to be using that technology. This becomes even more important if you are considering a dual setup where it is going to be assisting heating as well as hot water as of course you want whatever you can get from the panel on the colder days. The other issue with FP collectors as I mentioned on IRC is that although FP technology is now 30 years old and well proven..if you do get a problem with a panel then the only option is to replace the whole unit which is both expensive and cumbersome..requiring a system drain and re-pressurisation afterwards (and probably lifting tackle/roof platforms if the repair was going to be done with health and safety in mind as they are very heavy). My tubes are indirect and can be replaced cheaply, individually, and without touching the solar circuit. Also a single damaged tube will not compromise the operation of the rest of that panel. The one downside here is that ET panels are relatively new technology and haven't been on anyones roof for more than 10 years or so..so long term life predictions are just that..predictions. Whereas I know there are people around with 25 year old flat panels that are still working. There are two (admittedly looking quite old) FP installations near me and both have a damaged panel now..one is just clouded so I assume a weather seal has gone somewhere and the other has what looks like it might have been some nutcase with a catapult because the FP is visibly cracked. Both have remained like that for at least a year, presumably because repair would be expensive. A single tube for my system costs about the same as a meal out somewhere and I could change it myself. All that said, It's one of those things where there is a lot of information out there..a lot of it is conflicting and each installer will have their own opinions, it's like buying a car or something. So maybe you *are* getting too wrapped up in all these technical details. The end story is as Wookey said cost vs power and remember you are tapping a free energy source so some losses here and there aren't the end of the world. As long as the system overall is making a net saving and the cost vs power ratio means it stands a chance of paying for itself at some point in the future then don't loose too much sleep. Ta Wayne

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Recovering a borked upgrade
by Mark Rogers 20 Feb '10

20 Feb '10

A little story... I decided to upgrade an Ubuntu 8.04 install to 9.10. 8.04 to 8.10 went fine. 8.10 to 9.04 broke horribly: the PC seems to have a failing fan which caused it to overheat and die mid-way through the upgrade. Surprising it booted, sort of, but when I got to the login page that died, and Alt-F1 got me to a terminal with a stream of errors stopping me doing a lot. So I booted from an Ubuntu 9.04 alternative CD, in repair mode, and got myself a command prompt chrooted to the root partition. I manually mounted the boot partition, and ran: apt-get update dpkg --configure -a apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade .. then exited, rebooted, and got my system back fully upgraded. I didn't mention, by the way, that the system boots from a software RAID array, which "just worked". I don't expect things to work out like this when something goes horribly wrong, so it's nice to tell people when they do! (I used info from here: http://serverfault.com/questions/8540/recover-from-shutdown-during-ubuntu-d… .. to get it working.) I'm now midway through 9.04-9.10, just to prove that I haven't been put off! -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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External Storage
by Paul Grenyer 19 Feb '10

19 Feb '10

Hi All I'm after a couple of TBs of external storage. I've found this on eBuyer: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/168235 It doesn't mention if it's Linux compatible, any ideas how I find out? Or any suggestions for alternatives? It would be nice to have internal storage but I all the bays in my Shuttle are full and I don't know if I can run SATA drives from me IDE controller. -- Thanks Paul Paul Grenyer e: paul.grenyer(a)gmail.com b: paulgrenyer.blogspot.com

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machine ID
by Peter Alcibiades 19 Feb '10

19 Feb '10

Question: when you install some kinds of non OSS software, they generate a machine ID. You send this to the maker, they then send you back a registration code which works for that particular machine, and only that machine. Not even that machine, if you make too many changes of hardware. Is it possible to tweak a different machine so it generates the same machine ID? This is stuff that comes free with several thousand pounds worth of hardware, does something very simple, like generate a hash index of some sort on a flash card to make some standard format files accessible to the hardware. But for some crazed reason the suppliers of the hardware want to restrict the use of their stuff to one specific machine. I want to know there is a backup solution, should they go bust, or get acquired and suddenly charge exorbitant prices to move the stuff to a different machine. I am thinking, with considerable sense of humour failure, that one solution might be, install into a VM, then generate the activation for that VM, and then make an archive copy of the VM, so one would always be able to move that VM. I notice that vmware has an option for keeping the machine ID when you move installations. Which is totally ridiculous, but at least you would not have several thousand pounds worth of hardware at the mercy of a whim of some people you have never heard of somewhere in the wilds of Provence. Or their potential purchasers in Kazakhstan! Can you imagine then, you run Linux in a VM, then you run Wine in that VM, all to be able to be sure of having a moveable solution for your Windows package in case one of your machines explodes or gets stolen! Nuts. Is there a simpler way by spoofing the machine ID? Peter

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MySQL table crashes
by James Bensley 19 Feb '10

19 Feb '10

Hey List, We have a CentOS VPS with a hosting provider hosting one of our company websites. We are finding recently that about once a week a table will "crash" and needs repairing via phpMyAdmin. This is a recent development as this never used to be a problem. I wondered if any has any insight as to why this might be happening? -- Regards, James ;) Stephen Leacock - "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some day die, which is not so." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html

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Sheeva and other NAS solutions
by Peter Alcibiades 19 Feb '10

19 Feb '10

Do you generally think it best to make your own file server, or just buy one ready done? I'm wondering between the following 1) Sheeva plug off ebay, and add a usb hard drive. £100 or so. 2) The Ryan Alubox, which is around £85. I am having trouble seeing why the sheevaplug is better than this. http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/home.php?cat=842 3) Or, we could buy the £140 Acer with FreeNAS or Clark Connect and add a usb double enclosure to it for another £40. http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167153 4) Or the Netgear dual enclosure which right now is coming with a FREE 500G drive, and it does RAID automagically if you put in a second drive, and that is around £150 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149510 On the whole I'm inclining to the £140 Acer + usb enclosure, but I've never done this stuff before so would be really interested to hear the opinions of people who have. We do have one or two old machines lying around which we could fill up with drives, but I'm veering away from that as they are big, quite old, noisy, rather power hungry, and I am not certain of durability if running 24/7. Probably you guys have been through this and have favored solutions. Its a smallish charity with three or four computers which at the moment are only networked for printing. But we do need a simple internal web server, and we do need some central file storage, and we will have a couple of spare new 160G drives from another purchase. Peter

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Virgin (ex NTL) Broadband with Linux - how to set up?
by Chris G 19 Feb '10

19 Feb '10

My brother-in-law has a new computer with Ubuntu 9.10 installed in it, we put it together here at my house and it connected to the internet with no problems via my router here - just plugged the RJ45 in and it worked. So, basically, it's networking must be configured about right. Now he's back home and wants to connect to the internet via an NTL cable modem (now Virgin Media). The cable modem model number is NTL 250 - Model E08c007. When the RJ45 from the cable modem is plugged into his old Windows machine it works, when it's plugged into his new Ubuntu machine it doesn't work. Can anyone tell me how to get this to work? Is it a question of telling NTL/Virgin that there's a new machine (with a new MAC address) connected or does the Cable Modem expect authentication across the ethernet cable, or what? -- Chris Green

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Recommendations for Java Build Box Linux
by Paul Grenyer 19 Feb '10

19 Feb '10

Hi All I want to create myself a Java build box. Basically it requires: Java SDK Hudson TomCat Apache Webserver Ant SVN client MySQL Windows 2008 & SQL Server 2008 running on VirtualBox. All it will do is spend all day monitoring my SVN repository (which is hosted elsewhere), check out code when it changes, build the code, deploy it to TomCat and run some tests. So, VirtualBox permitting, all I think I need is a very simple server version of Linux. Any suggestions? Can I run VirtualBox on a Linux distro without a Windows manager? -- Thanks Paul Paul Grenyer e: paul.grenyer(a)gmail.com b: paulgrenyer.blogspot.com

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Site suspended?
by Chris Walker 18 Feb '10

18 Feb '10

I've just had a mail from sombeody that's trying to resubscribe to ALUG but when looking at the site, it says it's suspended with the owner being aware. Can anybody say what's going on here please as it's preventing the subscription? Thanks.

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AMD-V
by Paul Grenyer 18 Feb '10

18 Feb '10

Hi All I've recently upgraded to the latest VirtualBox (3.1.4 r57640) and want to install Windows 2008 64bit. When I try and start the VM I get the error message: "VT-x/AMD-V hardware acceleration has been enabled, but it is not operational. Your 64-bit guest will fail to detect 64-bit CPU and will not be able to boot. Please ensure that you have enabled VT-x/AMD-V properly in the BIOS of your host computer." My first thought was to disable VT-x/AMD-V for the VM just to get it going, but it gets turned on again automatically. So, of course I checked the BIOS as I was sure I had turned virtualisation on already, and yet I have and I can't see any further relevant settings. My motherboard is a GA-MA770-DS3 (F6) and I have a Phenom Quad Core 9850 processor.Do I need to upgrade the BIOS to get this to work? If so, how to I find out which revision of the board I have? The ASUS site says there are three revisions..... Any advice greatly appreciated... -- Thanks Paul Paul Grenyer e: paul.grenyer(a)gmail.com b: paulgrenyer.blogspot.com

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Last night's ALUG Ipswich meet
by samwise 16 Feb '10

16 Feb '10

Due to a combination family emergency and my Android phone getting confused about what day it was, and so failing to provide me with a timely reminder to send out my apologies, I ended up not turning up without any warning. Shockingly poor showing from my end. (though in my defence, this is my first no-show in the past few years!). Did any one else show up, to curse my name? If you wish to fill in a meeting report on the wiki ranting about it, I probably deserve it. ;) Peter. P.S. Pete #2 also earns a scathing mention for failing to turn up also!

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SheevaPlug
by Mark Rogers 16 Feb '10

16 Feb '10

Has anyone played with a SheevaPlug or variant (TonidoPlug, for example)? Arm CPU, USB and network connectivity, running Ubuntu-derivative on 512MB built in flash (with 512MB RAM), all in a "plug" design. Looks like they can be had in the UK (ie with UK plug) for just over £60 but with £30 shipping (and 2-3 week delay) from the US. I think I will probably get one to play with, so I don't know if anyone else wants to combine shipping. But first off I'd like to know if anyone has played with one already. Obviously with it being Arm based there won't be many binary packes to install on it but the obvious suspects should cross-compile OK I would think. The obvious question is whether 512MB on-device storage is enough to achieve anything useful, but then I have relatively low aspirations anyway! -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Charset conversion confusion - mutt works, nothing else does
by Chris G 16 Feb '10

16 Feb '10

I have an E-Mail (well lots actually) which has a text part with headers as follows:- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My system is all utf-8 now so just outputting the E-Mail via 'more' or opening it in vi doesn't decode/show the accented characters correctly. Mutt reads the above headers and converts the accented characters and shows them correctly. I want to do some processing on this file and then display the text parts but at the moment I can't get anything to do what mutt appears to be able to do with no effort! E.g. I have tried:- iconv -f iso-8859-1 <filename> and it doesn't change anything at all. Nor does viewing the file in Firefox with the charset set to iso-8859-1 work. What am I missing? It must be something blatantly obvious. -- Chris Green

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User & Group in recent Linux (Debian)
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

Hi Folks, I recently noticed something which struck me as strange. In the past, on my older Linux distributions, an "ordinary" user gets set up as user=<username> and group="users". Thus, for instance, on those systems an 'ls -l' gives the likes of -rw-r--r-- 1 ted users 16 Apr 2 2008 - drwxr-xr-x 3 ted users 20480 Jun 3 2008 00_junk drwxr-xr-x 2 ted users 4096 May 10 2005 00_misc drwxr-xr-x 2 ted users 4096 Jan 31 2008 00_realplay However, on recent Debian (since Etch), I see that it is user=<username> and group=<username>. Thus now 'ls -l' gives -rw------- 1 ted ted 4643403 2009-06-02 18:56 03-Iii_Sarabanda.mp3 -rw------- 1 ted ted 3476861 2008-04-27 21:38 2nd_week_004.jpg -rw------- 1 ted ted 2879890 2008-04-27 21:38 2nd_week_006.jpg So now I am user "ted" and am in group "ted"! This seems to have happened "in the background" without my being aware that it was going to happen -- I just happened to notice that it had happened! Is there a good reason for this change? And what would be the best way to revert to the old way (especially when creating new users)? With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 14-Feb-10 Time: 22:10:47 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Hot swap sata drives
by Barry Samuels 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

Can anyone tell me how I can get a command to run whenever a sata hard drive is connected? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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JavaScript/HTML issue
by James Bensley 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

Got a page with a frameset containing two frames (frame 0 and frame 1). The page in the top frames (frame 0) has links and each link calls the same JavaScript function parsing a different value. I want the bottom frame page (frame 1) to have its background colour set to the parsed value. My problem is, within the JavaScript function; window.parent.frames[1].document.bgColor = "#xxxxxx" Will change the bgcolor but I have since gotten round to implementing css. Now this won't change the bgcolor because of the css use of background-color. However; window.parent.frames[1].document.style.backgroundcolor = "#xxxxxx"; Doesn't change the background color. Internet Explorer shows me this error: 'window.parent.frames.1.document.style' is null or not an object I'm stumped? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! -- Regards, James ;) Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find myself loving dogs." - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html

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Job Post: Flash Dev in Loddon
by Richard 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

Hello all, I have recently started working with Oilenium and they are looking for a Flash Developer. Details are here: http://www.oilennium.com/jobs/flash-developer-coding/ Cheers -- Richard Bensley - 07540878285

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Small Distro
by Simon Royal 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

Hi. What are peoples recommendations for a lightweight distro? It needs to run on a sub 300mhz machine. I have been looking at DSL and DSLN but would prefer to stick with Xubuntu if possible. I havent been into Linux that long and have been using Ubuntu for the past couple of months. I have also used Fedora in the past too but not too keen on it. Simon --- Catch me on Twitter http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype me: Simon-Royal

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Re: [ALUG] Ubuntu 9.10, Networking and NFS
by phil.ashby＠bt.com 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

Steve Fosdick <lists(a)pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> wrote: > > You may have read in another thread that I now have a NAS. The NAS > supports NFS so it seemed completely natural to NFS mount a directory > tree from the NAS on a desktop PC and to put this mount in the > /etc/fstab file so it is mounted whenever the desktop PC is started. I > did this and specified the 'bg' option so that if the file system > concerned is not available the mount is retried in the background. > > Upon the next reboot of the PC it got stuck in the boot process in such > a way that all I could see was the Ubuntu logo and no text. Using the > Ctrl-Alt combinations to switch virtual console did not make any > difference (no text appeared) and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill a running X > server did not make any difference either. In the end I used the magic > SysReq to reboot the PC. > > Upon choosing the "recovery mode" from GRUB I found that the NFS mount > was not working because the network card was not up. It seems that when > you use the helpful GNOME-based network configuration to configure a > network connection it then does not get started early enough in the boot > process to support the NFS mount which is rather different than if it > had been configured in the /etc/network/interfaces file. I had a very similar issue with my studio machine connecting to the NAS in the house using NFS over a longish ethernet string (~50m). In my case I had used /etc/network/interfaces to permanently configure the network card, and all worked well with 8.04. Upgrading to 9.10 late last year and switching to 'upstart' caused the NFS mount to fail sometimes on startup. Further investigation of the 'upstart' configuration (in /etc/init/*) indicated that there was a race condition between the 'mountall' process and the networking startup: if the network came up quickly enough (which varies a bit depending on the rain and DHCP server response speed :) all was well; if the network init was a bit slow, then mountall would be stopped by the rcS event or exit of it's own accord and nothing would mount the NFS when the network did come up. I fixed this by the rather ugly hack of modifying the mountall-net.conf script to directly call mount on my NFS if it was unable to find mountall running. There are other similar problems it seems with upstart and NFS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/501678 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/430348 Phil.

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Ubuntu 9.10, Networking and NFS
by Steve Fosdick 15 Feb '10

15 Feb '10

You may have read in another thread that I now have a NAS. The NAS supports NFS so it seemed completely natural to NFS mount a directory tree from the NAS on a desktop PC and to put this mount in the /etc/fstab file so it is mounted whenever the desktop PC is started. I did this and specified the 'bg' option so that if the file system concerned is not available the mount is retried in the background. Upon the next reboot of the PC it got stuck in the boot process in such a way that all I could see was the Ubuntu logo and no text. Using the Ctrl-Alt combinations to switch virtual console did not make any difference (no text appeared) and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill a running X server did not make any difference either. In the end I used the magic SysReq to reboot the PC. Upon choosing the "recovery mode" from GRUB I found that the NFS mount was not working because the network card was not up. It seems that when you use the helpful GNOME-based network configuration to configure a network connection it then does not get started early enough in the boot process to support the NFS mount which is rather different than if it had been configured in the /etc/network/interfaces file. At this point I also found that one RAID array was failing to start which, after some investigation turned out to be a zeroed-out RAID superblock on one of the partitions which I will discuss in another thread. I now do not know if the failing NFS mount was responsible for the hung boot process and the superblock got corrupted by the magic SysReq reboot or if the superblock was corrupted by a failing drive and the NFS mount was a red herring but it was certainly somewhat surprising. Steve.

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Recovering a RAID Array
by Steve Fosdick 14 Feb '10

14 Feb '10

I mentioned in another thread that I needed to recover a RAID array when the RAID superblock on one of the partitions had become corrupted. I could not find any documentation that deals with this - most of the examples assume you are hot swapping a failed device from an array that is running whereas in my case the system would not start the array concerned. If I ran: mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sda7 /dev/sdb7 /dev/sdc7 /dev/sdd1 I would get an error message about the superblock on /dev/sda7. After much fiddling about the answer turned out to be to add the --force option after which the array is started without /dev/sda7. After that the corrupt but working partition can be added back in: mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda7 and at that point the array is resynchronised to include /dev/sda7 . Regards, Steve.

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Re: [ALUG] JavaScript/HTML issue
by Ian Porter 14 Feb '10

14 Feb '10

I am on my mobile, but not sure if this helps ? http://www.codingfriends.com/index.php/2009/07/27/styles-alter-with-javascr… Hth Regards Ian Porter www : www.codingfriends.com On 14 Feb 2010, at 16:02, James Bensley <jwbensley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Got a page with a frameset containing two frames (frame 0 and frame > 1). The page in the top frames (frame 0) has links and each link calls > the same JavaScript function parsing a different value. I want the > bottom frame page (frame 1) to have its background colour set to the > parsed value. > > My problem is, within the JavaScript function; > window.parent.frames[1].document.bgColor = "#xxxxxx" > > Will change the bgcolor but I have since gotten round to implementing > css. Now this won't change the bgcolor because of the css use of > background-color. > > However; > > window.parent.frames[1].document.style.backgroundcolor = "#xxxxxx"; > > Doesn't change the background color. Internet Explorer shows me this > error: > > 'window.parent.frames.1.document.style' is null or not an object > > I'm stumped? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > > -- > Regards, > James ;) > > Charles de Gaulle - "The better I get to know men, the more I find > myself loving dogs." - > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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