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PowerPC Linux
by Simon Royal 31 May '10

31 May '10

Hi Does anyone have any experience with Linux on PowerPC Macs. Im a long term Mac user and have an iBook G3 which might not be the fastest machine in the world - a 500Mhz G3 with 640MB RAM, but compared to my ThinkPad which is a 300Mhz P2 with 296MB RAM it is a speed demon. I know officially Ubuntu stopped PPC ports in version 7, but community ports are still going strong. There is a PowerPC version of 10.04 although I havent tried it yet. I did try version 5 a while ago and it was pretty good. I also know there is no official support for Flash - although some claim to have it working and a lot of software that is for Ubuntu will only work with x86 devices and not PPC. PowerPC Linux is very thin on the ground, Ubuntu and Xubuntu seemingly the biggest two. Yellow Dog is another and there might be a Suse or Mandriva if I remember correctly. Is it worth pursuing? Is PPC Linux any good? Or should I ditch my iBook and my ThinkPad and get faster P2 or P3 machine. In the mean time I am going to try Ubuntu 10.04 for PowerPC on my iBook. Any help and advice would be appreciated. Simon Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Ubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

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Mint Linux
by Simon Royal 29 May '10

29 May '10

Hi I am quite liking Xubuntu at the mo, but I do have a habit of flitting from distro to distro. Ive been looking at Mint Linux and it looks great, a streamlined and polished Ubuntu. Is it just a fancy looking Ubuntu? Is it a cut down or lightweight version? Would it run better than Xubuntu? Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i)

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Alphabetical sorting in EN-UTF8
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi Folks, I have encountered a weirdness in alphabetical sorting. It originally popped up in an application, but experiment reveals that it arises from the Linux UTF8 collation system. First, check whether this may interest you by executing locale from the command line. If you see in the output: LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8" or similar, then read on. When I run the following commands (which you can mouse-copy into a concole for yourself) I get the results shown in the lines starting with "#" (you can copy these in too -- they will be ignored): sort << EOT "AACD" "A CD" EOT # "AACD" # "A CD" sort << EOT "ABCD" "A CD" EOT # "ABCD" # "A CD" sort << EOT "ACCD" "A CD" EOT # "ACCD" # "A CD" sort << EOT "ADCD" "A CD" EOT # "A CD" # "ADCD" >From the above, it would seem that in en_GB.UTF-8 the SPACE character " " is sorted to a position betwee "C" and "D", since "AACD", "ABCD" and "ACCD" all sort prior to "A CD", while "A CD" sorts prior to "ADCD"! That strikes me as completely nuts! I would welcome any comment about it. I have tried to track down where this is done, and to locate on my system (Debian Lenny, also occurs on earlier Debian Etch) any system file which defines the sort order (i.e. collation order) of the standard ASCII (and other) characters. All help and/or insight much appreciated! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 28-May-10 Time: 20:57:48 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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PowerPC Linux
by Simon Royal 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi Does anyone have any experience with Linux on PowerPC Macs. Im a long term Mac user and have an iBook G3 which might not be the fastest machine in the world - a 500Mhz G3 with 640MB RAM, but compared to my ThinkPad which is a 300Mhz P2 with 296MB RAM it is a speed demon. I know officially Ubuntu stopped PPC ports in version 7, but community ports are still going strong. There is a PowerPC version of 10.04 although I havent tried it yet. I did try version 5 a while ago and it was pretty good. I also know there is no official support for Flash - although some claim to have it working and a lot of software that is for Ubuntu will only work with x86 devices and not PPC. PowerPC Linux is very thin on the ground, Ubuntu and Xubuntu seemingly the biggest two. Yellow Dog is another and there might be a Suse or Mandriva if I remember correctly. Is it worth pursuing? Is PPC Linux any good? Or should I ditch my iBook and my ThinkPad and get faster P2 or P3 machine. In the mean time I am going to try Ubuntu 10.04 for PowerPC on my iBook. Any help and advice would be appreciated. Simon --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Ubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

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Re: [ALUG] Ubuntu Alternative Fails
by Simon Royal 28 May '10

28 May '10

James Well a retry of 10.04 worked. I went out and when I got back it was asking about grub. i set it, rebooted and is working fine. Havent tested it thoroughly but it seems fairly nippy. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i)

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Xubuntu Menu Bar Still Missing
by Simon Royal 27 May '10

27 May '10

Hi I am running Xubuntu and the other night the menu bar at the top and bottom disappeared. I can get them to return via typing 'xfce4-panel' into terminal. After pressing enter, typing 'disown' is supposed to make it stay there when you close terminal which is did last night. However, on reboot it was missing again and now I cannot get the 'disown' thing to work so whenever I close terminal both the bars disappear again. I've got 39 updates waiting to be installed, so I will install them and see if that resolves the problem. Can anyone think of how to resolve this if these updates don't make any difference. Someone suggested right clicking on the area, but it does nothing except bring the contextual menu up, the same as anywhere else on the desktop. Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Xubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

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Xubuntu Menu Bar Disappeared
by Simon Royal 26 May '10

26 May '10

Hi Suddenly today the menu bar at the top of the screen has disappeared. I have tried a reboot and nothing has made any difference. Xubuntu 10.04. Any ideas? Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Xubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

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Re (passim) booting Eee from USB
by Anthony Anson 26 May '10

26 May '10

AFAICS, you can't - well, not this early model anyway. he trader who sold me the Acer tried to get one to boot from DVD via USB last week, and he couldn't, either. I wonder - if I put Grub on the HDD, whether, having fired-up, it might then boot from USB? Does one need an actual distro on the same drive as Grub? If so, would Tom's suffice? Compared with the Acer, the Eee's such a handy size and weight, though the battery's a bit weedy for (say) a train journey to Manchester. Copes with oe to Farnborough (Hants) OK. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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Old machines
by Steve Engledow 26 May '10

26 May '10

Mornin' all, While I'm on a spate of posting things to the list, I have quite a lot of computer parts laying dormant in my spare room and should probably get rid of them. So does anybody need a load of spare parts (I can compile a list if anyone cares that much) or a low-spec PC? I think I've got enough parts to build 3 complete machines apart from cases (I've only got one of those spare). Cheers, Steve --- There are 11 kinds of people in this world, but you'll have to work it out for yourself.

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Re: [ALUG] OT Trinary WAS:Movie Editing
by James Bensley 26 May '10

26 May '10

On 26 May 2010 10:31, Steve Engledow <steve(a)offend.me.uk> wrote: > Sorry, forgot to hit list-reply. *facepalm* And again, double face palm! http://brotch.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/double-facepalm.jpg And no it shouldn't be that, it should be what ever I want it to be ;) -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.

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