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off' it - which suggested they might have encountered my problem whilst using pre SuSE 8 distributions. -----Original Message----- From: Alexis Lee [mailto:memehack@btopenworld.com] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:02 PM To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] RE: SuSe on ReiserFS On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 14:23, alasdair.i.macleod(a)bt.com wrote: > Maybe you SuSE vets could cast some light here ... > > I can't get SuSE to install using ReiserFS partitions. Everytime, at some > point during the package copying process the install hangs - I've seen other > people report the problem but haven't seen any fixes/explanations. Anyone > know anything? I realise this isn't quite what you're asking, but then you haven't quite been listening either... These guys are saying why _not_ to run SuSe, and that Gentoo/Debian are the way to go. Similarly, ReiserFS has pretty much had its day now that ext3 is out. I don't know what the performance situation is but the ease of migration and wide availability of analysis tools make ext3 a killer. My advice would be to install Debian on ext2 partitions, from a Debian CD which any one of these kind folks would be happy to send you (except me cause I haven't quite figured out how to do a direct CD copy yet on Linux). Then compile ext3 into the kernel using 'make-kpkg --config menuconfig kernel-image', install, reboot and use 'tune2fs -j /dev/hdaX' (X = partition number) to add a journal to each partition. The one part of the Debian install I really dislike is the partitioning, so I'd suggest using SuSe or Mandrake or whatever to set these up before booting the Debian CD. Once you've installed the basic system, Debian will start dselect for you to add extra packages - don't bother unless you know what you need, because you can just 'apt-get install xyz' afterwards. I used to like Mandrake, but I love Debian. Alexis _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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and the power leads, which would normally be provided inside a hot-swap drive case. So not sure if there would be any suitable converters for attaching to 68pin cable. We always had to send them back to the supplier as the salesman who sold it didn't know the difference. David. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/2002

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to buy a distro I'd probably go for SUSE for the reasons you mention however I got Mandrake 7.0 as a freebie at a trade show sometime back so it was a bird in the hand job. As someone with an eye on the commercial side of things, what's your take on these servers on a PCI card (so called blade servers)? Regards, Keith Email: mailto:kpwatson@luna.co.uk Web site: http://kpwatson.ontheweb.com ____________ This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it. ____________ This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify your system manager. -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Brown [mailto:laurie@brownowl.com] Sent: 12 April 2002 07:18 To: kpwatson(a)luna.co.uk Cc: Anglian Linux User Group - Main Subject: Re: [Alug] Introduction Keith Watson wrote: > Just a quick hello from someone who's just joined. Welcome to ALUG, Keith... [SNIP] Although I understand that Mandrake is the easiect to install, I doubt it will suit someone with real knowledge, with results you've seen. I've found that, as my knowledge has increased, I have become more and more frustrated with packaged Linux systems. My personal favourite, and which remains so for the desktop, is SuSE. I'm quite happy to allow them to cosset me in the land of sound, X, and such stuff. However, servers are another matter entirely. [SNIP] Then I found Gentoo... http://www.gentoo.org Not perfect, it requires quite a lot of investment in learning how it works. Broadband helps a great deal, as does patience. Everything, from compilers to libraries is compiled first, then the kernel, and then every single package you want to install. All optimised for your system, according to a) an editable make.conf, and b) one's own kernel options. Everything is downloaded as required from a server (one can take a local copy, currently 2GB) and install any of 1600 packages, all prestructured, dependencies dealt with. I'm still testing before we put a server live, but so far, a few glitches and quirks along the way, I remain impressed and optimistic. I've put it on an old AMD K6-2/550 with 256MB and a 2.5GB HDD, and am setting it up as a web-server with apache/php/mysql (quiet in the cheap seats!). So far, I am blown away with the speed this thing runs at... If you're looking at LFS, you could do much, much worse than look at Gentoo... Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail message has been scanned for viruses and none have been detected. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/2002

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> Customer: Who is my business relationship with? Your ultimate concerns are with your shareholders first, and your customers. > Customer: Who do I sue when the product can't deliver the expected > functionality? If you look for an off the shelf solution, you fire your IT manager - If you have purchased a bespoked product, then your legal manager should advise (if not, fire him too). > Customer: How do I train my people to use this new software? Using something like KDE as a windows type environment, retraining is minimal when looking at basic office apps. What bright spark uses that abomination called Powerpoint anyway... One way to tackle the task of selling linux is to talk about the "total cost of ownership" - MS license per machine @ ££££ + ongoing training costs and additionl fees for virus scanner upgrades etc, etc... Linux - Small one off cost for initial retraining + ongoing training costs - Virus protection is not such an issue. Both options incur some IT support costs - Linux has great potential to reduce these and in so doing, improve the company profit margin. Then point to examples of linux in use - Hill Hammond installed a wide area network of linux boxes in most of their branches at a much lower cost than a MS solution. Just my 5p worth (after inflation). Regards, Paul.

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change the computer from what we have used in the past to a "digital appliance". The ads for WinXP promote video editing, digital photography, etc. Apple promotes music applications, etc. Assuming Apple and MS are giving the general public what they want (otherwise why would they buy it?), the general public are not interested in how a computer works, as long as "it does what I want it to do!". Thus as long as the next version of Windows "works" for the general public, they won't care if it can't be programmed, whether they are paying by subscription, whether it is modular, etc. They will just accept it, because they don't know what they are missing out on. > With free software to do all of that business can buy a large number of PCs and > equip them with software without paying a penny to microsoft! This way of > working is becoming increasinly realistic now. In theory. In practise, I still think moving away from Microsoft is difficult and takes a brave person/group. In selling a product to someone (in this case Linux), you need to reduce the number of times you say no to your potential customer (in this case business users), e.g: Customer: Wow, free, what's the catch? Customer: Where can I get new applications? Customer: How do I get support? Customer: Who is my business relationship with? Customer: Who do I sue when the product can't deliver the expected functionality? Customer: How do I train my people to use this new software? The linux community appears to be answering some of the above questions, particularly for the "server" market. But still lacks in the desktop space, e.g: * How many training companies are offering courses now in using office suites for linux? * How many training companies show users how to use Mozilla for web browsing? For us technical people, the above two questions are mute issues. But remember, the average computer user (not nerd) is a technical idiot (this is not meant to be a putdown: they have other things which concern them more). Without getting some of this desktop support in place, the average users of the Linux desktop PC won't be able to use it correctly. Hence, this still makes it a difficult job for an IT manager to change the desktop over to free software. Firstly they have to justify the change with clear and concise answers (remember, some people view free items as having no value). Secondly, if an IT manager does change the business over to free desktop software, he/she does not want to carry the burden to retraining all the users who only have limited experiece of Word, Excel and Powerpoint. My 2 cents worth. Ashley

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make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install copy bzImage and System.map to /boot. run lilo. shutdown and reboot watch unresolved symbols messages during boot bang head against wall bang head against wall again resolve to wear protective headgear next time. Barry Samuels

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maximum segment size <networking> (MSS) The maximum amount of {TCP} data that a {node} can send in one {segment}. This should be the size of the receiver's reassembly buffer to try to avoid {fragmentation}. The equivalent at the {physical layer} is "{Maximum Transmission Unit}". (1998-03-06) (thx dict) advmss allows you to change the advertised MSS that your host offers to the peer. TCP has all kinds of weird options like this. > > But there are unfortunately many networks that don't play nice > > with this. > > Interesting. An example, and why? Sorry, I'm in ultra-inquisitive mode. Well, it relies on a packet with a Don't Fragment bit set having an ICMP packet returned by some router or the destination along the route. NAT often breaks this, and many people just block outbound/inbound ICMP. IDSen don't like PMTU generally, because it involves several "large" ICMP packets, that often get flagged as DoS attempts. (Why is ftp.sunet.se DoSing me?!) Some load balancers (I forget the brand) send out dummy packets on port 53 (dns) to assess the round trip time to a client so it can determine a server most topologically close to the client. IDSen don't like this either. :) > PS. Anyone fancy GIVING me £3000 so I can go back to university? Anyone? > Anyone? oh. Oh well! hehe, <aol sed=s,back ,,> me too! </aol>

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NAS Network Attached Storage Given the mention of coda, I'd expect this last one.

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NAS Network Application Support. {DEC}'s approach to applications integration across a distributed multivendor environment. [...]

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desired effects to be achieved. From this point of view, PostScript is good and PDF is better. Both have long-established publically available standards, and all sorts of software can generate good instances of them, and I am not aware of any real limitation on producing either good PS or good PDF, using Free Software, which may be related to Adobe's proprietary stance. In my view, exactly the same principles apply to viewers etc. If someone writes a good PDF viewer which renders the GPL-generated PDF I and others produce as well as Reader does, that's fine. But so long as the existing GPL'd viewers don't, that's too bad and I will patiently wait till the skilled developers of these things get it right. Meanwhile, I'll be using Reader. BTW, this situation is not unique to PDF and Reader. The same applies, more subtly, to PS. Ghostscript is a case in point: its fonts are not Adobe fonts, and differ subtly. My printer (Brother HL-1070) is a "PostScript" printer (in that I can send it raw PS and get a good printout); but in fact it uses "BrotherScript" which is a PostScript emulation and in particular the fonts, again, are subtly different (to the extent that I have to tweak certin things in my software to get some characters to print where I want them to); and this is so that Brother don't have to pay Adobe a royalty for using true Adobe fonts. However, if I had to produce camera-ready copy for a publisher, who insisted (for design reasons) on particular proprietary fonts, then I'd pay for those fonts. And hope that the results (generated by GPL'd software) would be sufficiently impressive to scoop yet another handful of earth from beneath that wall! All the best, Ted. [1] "Patience, fleas. The night is long". (Spanish proverb, allegedly; per Ernest Hemingway). -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 08-Feb-02 Time: 09:57:38 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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