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Wiki
by Jonathan McDowell 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

In the spirit of trying to actually get us to the point where we have new content rather than the ever recurring discussions about the fact no one updates the website, I have created: http://www.alug.org.uk/wiki/ It's a MoinMoin Wiki, because I'm more at home with them and they work with flat files (I'm not entirely sure MediaWiki will do this?). I haven't moved over content from the existing "wiki" (feel free to do this) nor linked it in from the main page yet (if it takes off this is obviously simple). So, get started. Should be perfectly possible for us to have various pages for the Norwich social meets, the Ipswich social meets and whatever else out there. Anyone can create themselves an account and I know there are anti spam measures out there for Moin so they can be looked at eventually if we see issues. J. -- 101 things you can't have too much of : 25 - email.

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"Who's Where?"
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

If you haven't already had a look at recent changes to the Wiki at http://www.alug.org.uk/wiki I've started a page "Who's Where?" the get a ball rolling. The idea is that people can let it be known where they're "near" (in the East Anglian sense of "near") -- i.e. the places they consider it reasonable to make a trip to in oder to meet up with others in the same relation to said places. Then local "clusters" can get in touch with each other for get-togethers. The regular Norwich meets are nice, but distant for many. The occasional meets at Syleham or UEA or Gazeley/Ashley[?] have been excellent, but infrequent. Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 21-Feb-07 Time: 21:28:01 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 21 Feb '07

21 Feb '07

That sounds great Chris. What I was thinking was having a page where we make a list of the available to lend books with the following details - Title - Author - Publisher - Who owns the book And then for each book have a attached page where we can do a library checking out thing so we know who has the book on loan, when it was loaned out and when the owner got it back. That way we can keep track of the books and have a history to see which are the most popular etc. Maybe then we could have a talk from someone about the contents of the book so that a discussion has formed. Just a little idea. I would be happy to get that pages going on the Wiki to start with and then people can add books or take them off if they leave us for other things etc. Tracy x -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 20 February 2007 09:09 To: ALUG Subject: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:33:36AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote: > Hey fellas, > > Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old > friends.) > Yes, same here. > Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we > place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but > I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing. > That sounds like an ideal wiki sort of thing. > I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text > books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could > make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do > something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever > understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given > them). > I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd want to keep but would be very happy to lend. -- Chris Green _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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RE: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Please, this is not a get at iPlug or ALUG day. Why is it being treated as one. What is wrong with us at iPlug having a wiki of our own? Do we have to do everything together? If so, why have separate names? Now people, play nice. This was only our first meeting. Do not lets spoil something that was good and fun and interesting with nasty fighting when there is nothing to fight about. Tracy x -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: 20 February 2007 14:23 To: samwise(a)bagshot-row.org; main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting samwise <samwise(a)bagshot-row.org> wrote: [...] > That said, the consensus last night seemed to me that a flexible wiki > was a priority for us and, therefore, I'm going to go ahead and set > that up before the next meet under the iPlug name (a branch of ALUG). > I hope this doesn't come across as a an attempt to splinter the ALUG > community, but I truly don't want to pile on pressure and deadlines to > a community which, I'm sure, has been doing perfectly well on its own > so far ... ;) Yes, I feel it comes across as an attempt to splinter the ALUG. Why not use the flexible wiki at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/ ? It's only 'not open' because there's been some low-maintenance efforts to block spammers. If you want to replace the WikiEngine, change the anti-spam and revamp the content, I'm sure many people would welcome that. The webmasters could either give you ssh, ftp or a redirect. I tried to replace it in the past, but lack of familiarity with modern wikis and a worker going silent mid-change meant it never happened. > If ALUG moves towards the same open model at any point in the future, Huh? How is ALUG not open? Have the cabal suddenly moved in and locked it down in the few months since I left? I doubt it. All you have to do is pick a job and start doing it yourselves. You don't have to "pile on pressure and deadlines" to anyone. I suggest starting by either editing the pages with the "Edit Page" links or getting website access of a type you like from either: David Reynolds Sionide and if they don't move: Jonathan McDowell Me (maybe) should still also have access and can add access, while: Darren Casey Jonathan McDowell Martyn Drake UKLUGS (Andy Smith?) control the web hosting and domains IIRC. I'm sure one of those will have time to open the door to you. I think iPlug seems to have a bad case of 'Not Invented Here' and is unwilling to cooperate with its neighbours. I feel it's particularly stupid to split an existing web site when lugmasters have been looking at merging/co-hosting dynamic sites, to ease maintenance: there just aren't enough webmaster-hours to go round. If iPlug has spare webmaster-hours, please share them! Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Somerset, England. Work/Laborejo: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ IRC/Jabber/SIP: on request/peteble. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Syd Hancock 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

ALUG operates over a wide geographical area which is one reason why it functions mainly through email. Meetings and new wikis etc do not 'splinter' that but add to it. As I have said several years ago, IMHO more frequent and more local meetings would be good (and was willing to be involved with organising, as some will recall). Good luck to anyone who wants to organise more frequent small meetings in the area where they live. Ignore the people who will shout you down and criticise - later they will say 'no-one ever does anything'. There is this thing called 'freedom' you know, just go ahead and do what you want to do and call it what you want to call it. Incidentally IMNSHO some of the responses from the old guard here go a long way to explain why ALUG is not expanding even though linux use in the region, as everywhere, certainly is. There is certainly room for other alternatives as well as ALUG. But then, some people dare to think that there should be more distros than just d*bi*n or even there should be alternatives to G**me, heh... Syd

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Horrible file browser - how can I change it?
by Eur Ing Chris Green 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

The default file browser that appears when, for example, I try to open a file from Firefox is awful. I get the same file selector for most applications now, it's a fairly recent 'imporvement', I've only had since I upgraded to Slackware 11. The whole thing is decidedly counter-intuitive, for me at least. There's no sort of helpful form to it. Across the top the directory hierarchy is a row of buttons, it took me a while before I realised it *was* the directory hierarchy. At the left the window with directory names in it - what's it for? Why is "/" called "File System", "File System" doesn't mean root to me. It's all *HORRIBLE*! :-) Can anyone tell me if it's possible to change this? (I'm running fvwm2 as my Window Manager by the way). -- Chris Green

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Mail archiving tools
by Eur Ing Chris Green 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

I'm looking for a mail archiving utility, or some suggestions for how to do it myself, and/or learning what others do. I have quite a lot of incoming mail from lists like this, personal mail, etc. I read it and most of it gets deleted after a few days but some I save in a moderately deep directory hierarchy. E.g. I have Mail/holidays/2005 Mail/holidays/2006 ... ... Mail/shopping/computers Mail/shopping/electrical .... I'd like to move whole directories and/or mailboxes out of my 'current' mail hierarchy into a backup hierachy so that the backup hierarchy has everything in it whereas the current one is a bit more thinned out and up-to-date so it's easier to navigate. I don't want to move mail out just on the basis of its date, last year's shopping is much less useful than last year's personal E-Mail for example. I almost have what I want using rsync. I simply copy the whole of my current hierarchy to a backup (from here, which is remote, to my home system) with the --delete parameter. Then I make a further rsync copy from the backup to an archive area *without* the --delete. This means that if I delete a folder from my working E-Mail it also disappears from the backup but not from the archive. The problem is that I want an easy to use tool to manipulate mail folders, if I'm sitting looking at my mail it's not all that easy to move stuff about from within my MUA. What would be perfect would be a way of marking messages/folders with a flag indicating that at the next overnight backup they should be moved to the archive. Are there any mail archiving tools that can do my rsync trick but with an easier interface and/or can anyone suggest any other ways of getting what I want? (BTW the mail is sitting on a remote BSD box to which I have ssh access, GUI tools for manipulating the mailboxes are probably not appropriate) -- Chris Green

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

That sounds a great plan. I will add it to my page plan for the Wiki (have been thinking about this seriously you see. This is the great thing about a Wiki, they grow and develop more with each user that has a idea. *big smiles* Tracy x -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 20 February 2007 09:53 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] Re: Re: IpLUG - Meeting On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 09:17:48AM -0000, keith.jamieson(a)bt.com wrote: > > > I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of > > > text > > > books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could > > > > make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do > > > something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever > > > understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given > > > them). > > > > > I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd > > want to keep but would be very happy to lend. > > I have quite a few books which can be borrowed, but are mainly > application types. Are we going to get a central list on the > forum^H^H^H^H^H Wiki ? :) > This too sounds like a perfect Wiki application doesn't it. Anyone willing to lend/donate books can add them to an appropriate section of the Wiki, maybe with a comment or two as to whether the book is good or not and its audience. People who borrow the book can add further comments. I suggest two 'classes' of books, 'donated' and 'lent'. Donated books could just stay with a borrower until someone else wanted them, it means that the hassle of moving them on to the next reader isn't down to the original donor. Lent books on the other hand would be expected to be returned to the original owner. -- Chris Green _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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RE: [ALUG] Re: IpLUG - Meeting
by keith.jamieson＠bt.com 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 08:33:36AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote: > Hey fellas, > > Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old > friends.) > Yes, same here. <AOL> Me too </AOL> :) > Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we > place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but > I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing. > That sounds like an ideal wiki sort of thing. > I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text > books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could > make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do > something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever > understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given > them). > I have quite a few, some I'd quite happily donate whereas others I'd want to keep but would be very happy to lend. I have quite a few books which can be borrowed, but are mainly application types. Are we going to get a central list on the forum^H^H^H^H^H Wiki ? :) Keith

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IpLUG - Meeting
by Tracy Dickerson 20 Feb '07

20 Feb '07

Hey fellas, Thank you for a fab evening. It was good to meet new people (and old friends.) Would it be a good idea to have a code library kinda thing where we place useful command line commands etc. Okay, this would help me, but I think that we could all learn stuff from doing this kinda thing. I was also talking to Pete last night and mentioned a library of text books that we could document and lend out within the group. This could make a good talking point especially if someone is looking to do something in particular. I have a few books that I doubt I will ever understand that might be of use to others along the way (I was given them). Just a couple of ideas that would not let me sleep last night *yawn*. Tracy x

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