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Timer-Based Power Management on Fedora
by Dan Hatton 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

I mentioned this in passing in a thread last week, so apologies to anyone who's heard it before: I'd like idle-timer-based power management on my FC4 machine, but can't get sleepd 1.2.14 to compile. Can anyone suggest how to make it work, please? The details: If I point my CPATH at the apm.h and acpi.h files provided by my kernel, running "make" in the sleepd directory fails with the series of messages cc -O2 -Wall -DACPI_APM -c -o sleepd.o sleepd.c In file included from sleepd.c:21: acpi.h:20: error: syntax error before ‘apm_info’ sleepd.c: In function ‘main_loop’: sleepd.c:132: error: ‘apm_info’ undeclared (first use in this function) sleepd.c:132: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once sleepd.c:132: error: for each function it appears in.) sleepd.c:132: error: syntax error before ‘ai’ sleepd.c:177: error: ‘ai’ undeclared (first use in this function) sleepd.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘apm_read’ sleepd.c: In function ‘main’: sleepd.c:307: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘apm_exists’ make: *** [sleepd.o] Error 1 whereas, if I point CPATH at the acpi.h and apm.h provided by sleepd, "make" fails with the slightly different series of messages cc -O2 -Wall -DACPI_APM -c -o sleepd.o sleepd.c In file included from ./apm.h:1, from ./apm.h:1, [repeated _many_times] from sleepd.c:20: ./apm.h:1:17: error: #include nested too deeply In file included from sleepd.c:21: acpi.h:20: error: syntax error before ‘apm_info’ sleepd.c: In function ‘main_loop’: sleepd.c:132: error: ‘apm_info’ undeclared (first use in this function) sleepd.c:132: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once sleepd.c:132: error: for each function it appears in.) sleepd.c:132: error: syntax error before ‘ai’ sleepd.c:177: error: ‘ai’ undeclared (first use in this function) sleepd.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘apm_read’ sleepd.c: In function ‘main’: sleepd.c:307: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘apm_exists’ make: *** [sleepd.o] Error 1 sleepd compiles out of the box on my Debian Testing machine, so it occurred to me to ftp the resulting binaries to where I want them. Unfortunately, once there, the sleepd binary refuses to run, with the error message sleepd: error while loading shared libraries: libapm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory -- Thanks very much, Dan Hatton

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RE: [ALUG] Anyone got an old fashioned *thread hijack* *pcmcia* modemgoing spare?
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

> From: Steve Engledow Sent: 14 November 2005 11:54 > > >Has anyone got an old 56k capable external modem (that's serial not > >usb) lying around they'd be willing to part with for a suitable > >transfer of funds? > > I have a 56k external modem avec serial connection in a box > somewhere. > I'd tell you the make etc but I can't remember. It's blue ;) > Sounds good :o) Don't care about make or model as long as it works with GNU/Linux. Regards, Keith ____________ Whatever you turn your back on gets you in the end.

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Anyone got an old fashioned external serial modem going spare?
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

A friend of mine had her modem go kaput over the weekend. As her cash flow isn't the best in the world, she runs linux on an old spare parts system, hence the external modem. I've fixed her up with my old faithful modem for the time being but I'm having trouble getting a replacement. Has anyone got an old 56k capable external modem (that's serial not usb) lying around they'd be willing to part with for a suitable transfer of funds? Regards, Keith ____________ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. - (Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.)

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Re: Anyone got an old fashioned external serial modem going spare?
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

> From: Chris Green Sent: 14 November 2005 10:04 > On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:32:50AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > > From: Chris Green Sent: 14 November 2005 09:30 > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:18:40AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > > > Has anyone got an old 56k capable external modem (that's serial not > > > > usb) lying around they'd be willing to part with for a suitable > > > > transfer of funds? > > > > > > > She hasn't got an ISA slot free has she? I have a 'real' ISA slot > > > modem - i.e. not a WinModem. > > > > Really, what chipset is it? > > > > Any problems getting it to run under Linux? > > > I think my original purpose in getting it was to run under > Linux, I can send you some more details when I get home this > evening if you like (I'm at work, modem is at home). > > It's free to a good home, I have no ISA machines running any > more. I can stick it in the post to you if you want. > I'm not sure if she has any ISA slots on her m/b. Need to check, but thanks for the offer, I might take you up on that depending on what else turns up. Cheers, Keith ____________ A good explanation: never explain anything. - Zen Saying

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Anyone got an old fashioned external serial modem goingspare?
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

> From: Chris Green Sent: 14 November 2005 09:30 > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:18:40AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > Has anyone got an old 56k capable external modem (that's serial not > > usb) lying around they'd be willing to part with for a suitable > > transfer of funds? > > > She hasn't got an ISA slot free has she? I have a 'real' ISA > slot modem - i.e. not a WinModem. Really, what chipset is it? Any problems getting it to run under Linux? Regards, Keith

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RE: [ALUG] Anyone got an old fashioned *thread hijack* *pcmcia* modemgoing spare?
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

> From: Adam Bower Sent: 14 November 2005 09:41 > On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 09:18:40AM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > (or alternatively, if you know how to make a Conexant MDC480 > modem work with Linux then let me know!) > Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WinModemConexantHSF?highlight=%28Conexant%29 WinModemConexantHSF - Ubuntu Wiki and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Conexant?highlight=%28Conexant%29 Conexant - Ubuntu Wiki they might help. Regards, Keith ____________ Man always dies before he is fully born. - Erich Fromm

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: Re: installing Debian
by Robert Grant (DEV) 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Here are some experiences/thoughts from an ordinary 'user' who just wants a laptop on which to use office and other applications rather than any kind of developer work 1. I'd like to support the positive things said about the Sarge installer. My first Linux try was with Woody and it took me months to get X working at all. Although I'd read up in advance and knew all my hardware specs I somehow chose a 2.2 idepci kernel which I think dogged subsequent efforts including my later effort at an online upgrade to Sarge. When I tried a fresh install with a Sarge CD all went far more smoothly and I had a nice looking desktop (KDE) with very little real effort. Certainly more quickly than when I put XP on the same laptop. 2. Aptitude is wonderful. dselect under Woody was really hard to get into. With aptitude installing and managing packages is extremely easy. This gave me the confidence to bypass Tasksel at install time and build up from a fairly bare-bones text only system. 3. As Brett said in this thread already "99% of the battle is knowing where to look" and I agree. Debian is not 'hard' in itself but the documentation available online seems particularly challenging for the non-initiated. The more I learn the more I like the intuitive and accessible way the Debian system itself is laid out: but the more puzzled I get that nobody seems to have produced an entry level guide which would make working it out less of a groping in the dark experience. 4. The rise of Ubuntu has me unsure of which way to leap. On the one hand I am tempted by the idea of more up to date software than I have in Sarge. On the other I want to keep building on what I have learned about Debian. Once my confidence improves my plan was to try the approach of selectively pulling in packages from the testing/unstable repositaries. In particular I'd like the more recent versions of OO.org and Okle. Maybe someone with my low level of technical knowledge and 'user' orientation would be safer going for Ubuntu though? 5. Thanks to all contributors to this thread which is a timely one for me as I've got a new, unformatted 60G HD in my thinkpad now after the last one died. I am on the waiting list for a UEA copy of XP, which I think I need to install first, so have a few days to choose between Sarge and (K)Ubuntu. BTW, just to make the purists cringe, my plan is to put on XP then shrink the NTFS partition down and add ext3 ones for / and /home plus swap using Partition Magic. Rob Rob Grant Tutor in Economics School of Development Studies University of East Anglia NR4 7TJ +44(0)1603592324 r.grant(a)uea.ac.uk

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Hard Drives
by Bob Dove 10 Nov '05

10 Nov '05

Hi Folks, Installation CDs and pre-installed O/S plus recovery disks. I have always installed from a full O/S disk. My daughter and several of the outlaws have bought systems with pre-installed O/S and recovery disks (Tiny and Acer). Initially, these boxes had Win95. Recovery on these machines was in fact a reformat and copying of a 'mirror' image and not a full version. I upgraded my sys to Win 98 and eventually 98SE (do you think I'd admit to upgrading the outlaws?) Currently, because Photoshop CS demanded it W2K (which is absolutely with no exceptions they flakiest O/S I've used - and I started with CP/M! Fond memory says W3.11 was the best. I now have two towers and two USB externals. The 'twin towers' each have two HDD. The reason for this is that initially a refusal to boot up and even acknowledge the presence of emergency repair disk in floppy drive or the installation CD in CD drive caused my local guru to pronounce the HDD dead. I bought and fitted new drive, reinstalled every thing and fitted (after setting jumpers) 'dead' drive as slave in the hopes of being able to recover data including a large number of scanned images. Lo and behold, the 'dead' drive was seen and all the data was there and could be accessed. So verily the dead drive was resurrected! The next time the 'C:' drive 'died' on me, it was another trip to PC World for another HDD and again installing and loading O/S. This time 'dead' drive went into one of those new fangled (at the time) external USB drive boxes where it remains. As I said - two boxes and now six HDDs later have lead me to believe that it is software (namely windoze) that is at fault, not the hardware! Possibly a viral infection could have caused it but who knows? Next failure will see a smaller drive installed as 'C:' as it will in fact only contain O/S and those programs that won't install anywhere else but C: Why smaller? It takes an age to scan for Virii or defrag big drives! Incidentally, the latest reformatting because windoze wouldn't boot resurrected a dormant Linux partition which the system labelled C: and windoze took itself off into a second partition it named F: I wonder how long before I have to repeat the exercise? Now come the question; with multiple hard drives installed, can Linux install and boot from a second hard drive D:? Having windoze and Linux in separate partitions on the same hard drive made me give up on Linux. Reading these mails - your comments re operating/installing Linux is absolutely frightening. A 'simple' installation CD that injects Linux onto a hard drive and which comes up with a desktop 'just like windoze' (or Mac O/S) is all 99% of PC owners want. We don't want to know about command lines - just icons on the desktop just like the original Digital Research GUI that all other O/S desktops have copied! Cheers, BD.

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Re: Hard Drives
by Robert Grant (DEV) 10 Nov '05

10 Nov '05

Just a thought provoked by Ten's question/aside >There really is nothing inherently bad or unusable about consoles. > >As an aside, there's *got* to be some way to remove the fear of the console >for the average user. Whether it's consoles in funky anti-aliased truetype >fonts with images/music/css theming/whatever in a gnome/kde app, or even >turing-type rubber-fork "find me the mp3s I saved in july last year" type >stuff, if we could just crack this heinous culture that's built up against >using fast, expressive, intuitive typed commands, then people would REALLY be >moving to linux. I use two stats programs, SPSS and STATA, which have GUI interfaces that have grown over the years and versions on top of command line origins. Both preserve full access to command line flexibility and to different extents encourage users to use that interface as they gain experience. The key enabling factor is that in both systems it is very easy to access the commands generated by using menus and dialogues. STATA is particularly good at this, reporting the the plain-text command equivalent with every set of results, whether generated via console or point-and-squirt. There is also an on-screen history of commands in a separate window along with another showing available variables. Items can be grabbed from either source to construct new console entries. This works the other way too, with a CLI command that shows you the GUI way of issuing. When I introduce a class to the package I can just give them the true-and-pure commands and they have the security of knowing how to get back to a GUI method too. Come to think of it there must be many other models of GUI/CLI integration like this in various applications. I'm sure others on this list will know dozens. But has it been done in an OS yet, or could a desktop environment just superimpose this behaviour? Could something provide the user with a console window that is, for example, filled in with the appropriate mnt/ls and so on commands when they stick a disk in? Rob Rob Grant Tutor in Economics School of Development Studies University of East Anglia NR4 7TJ +44(0)1603592324 r.grant(a)uea.ac.uk

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