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Copying IMAP folders, and/or a hierarchy of folders
by Chris Green 31 May '05

31 May '05

I'm still banging away at this problem and haven't yet found a satisfactory solution. There is a lot of mail hosted on my company's web hosting service, it's kept in a Cyrus IMAP server and access is via Horde/Imp webmail. This works pretty well but I'd like to be able to get at it in other ways and to archive some of it. So I asked the sysadmin to open up the IMAP server so I can access it from my home machine, this he has done and I can access it via IMAP/SSL on port 993. Using an stunnel client I can also access it as an 'ordinary' IMAP server for clients that don't do SSL. My two main requirements are:- 1 - To be able to copy (large) IMAP folders containing old sentmail as archived by Horde to our home machines, it can then be backed up there (saved to CD for instance) and removed from the Cyrus server to save space. 2 - To be able to copy a complete hierarchy of a user's messages on the IMAP server to a home machine. This will enable access with a normal (as opposed to webmail) client, I may even move some users from the remote webmail service to a home machine. I can find no utility or mail client that does both of the above satisfactorily. Initially one would think that any MUA that handles IMAP mail should be able to do it but I can't find one that does. Even the simpler requirement 1 can't be handled by most mail clients, e.g.:- Thunderbird - if you drag and drop a folder from the IMAP server to a local folder the folder is copied but none of its contents are copied, they do however appear to be removed from the remote folder - instant loss of mail! OE (yes someone recommended this) - simply can't be made to move/copy folders as far as I can see. I've tried Balsa and Kmail but neither worked, I can't remember the exact details. mutt - does a reasonable job, you can tag all the mail messages in an IMAP folder and then copy them to a local folder. However it's a bit clumsy and isn't really dealing with folders. Moving a whole hierarchy is even more difficult because each MUA and IMAP server seems to have its own way of arranging things, some see INBOX as the root of a user's hierarchy, others see INBOX as just another folder rooted at the same place as the rest of the hierarchy. Some allow both folders and mail in a folder, some don't. Often the view of a remote IMAP server is different from a local hierarchy. There are a number of utilities (imapsync, iisync, imapcopy, offlineimap, etc.) which are supposed to copy IMAP hierarchies but none works for me yet. A while ago I *did* successfully copy some IMAP hiearachies from a UW-Imap server to my home system but the same utility doesn't work satifactorily running from a Cyrus server. One of the main problems is that Cyrus allows both folders and mail within a folder, this needs some workarounds when transferring to a server (or mailbox hierarchy) where this isn't possible. Does anyone have any suggestions (apart from writing my own utility in perl, which is where I seem to be going at the moment). -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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"tracker cookie" ???
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hi Folks, This may be a falsely started hare. However, while browsing with Google, I suddenly got a pop-up which informed me that a "scan" had revealed that my machine had a cookie stored which would allow "tracking", i.e. spyware which could transmit information from my machine. It then invited me to download a free scanner to cure the problem. I have more than a suspicion that this cure might turn out to be worse than the alleged disease, but I'd be interested to see other people's comments! Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 29-May-05 Time: 20:22:56 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #555 - 2 msgs
by pam.kelly 30 May '05

30 May '05

Have a look at www.asterisk.org. Ott for what you want but it should lead you to the right places. Look for cheap cards - I got an X100P clone on ebay for about £18 a couple of years ago and it worked fine. Probably cheaper now. I don't think it's any different to a soft modem, just more expensive and has a driver that'll do what you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: <main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk> To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: main digest, Vol 3 #555 - 2 msgs > Send main mailing list submissions to > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of main digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Use PC as a traditional phone (Steve Fosdick) > 2. Re: Use PC as a traditional phone (Wayne Stallwood) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:19:08 +0000 > From: Steve Fosdick <lists(a)pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: [ALUG] Use PC as a traditional phone > > I'd like to use the PC as a phone, i.e. transmit sound from the mic-in on t= > he soundcard to the phone line, have the sound received from the phone line= > available for mixing in the sound card's headphone out and be able to dial= > from software. All this, of course, under Linux. > > Does anyone know what hardware I should look for for this. I am assuming s= > ome kind of modem or modem card but these seem a bit of a minefield. Does = > the little link cable that runs from a PCI modem card to the sound card do = > everything I need or do I need to be able to copy data digitally? How can = > I tell which modem chipsets have enough support to be able to do what I wan= > t? > > TiA, > Steve. > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.plus.com> > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Use PC as a traditional phone > Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:07:05 +0100 > > On Friday 27 May 2005 12:19 pm, Steve Fosdick wrote: > > I'd like to use the PC as a phone, i.e. transmit sound from the mic-in on > > the soundcard to the phone line, have the sound received from the phone > > line available for mixing in the sound card's headphone out and be able to > > dial from software. All this, of course, under Linux. > > > Sorry I have to ask why ? Why not just use Skype (or perhaps a more Open VoIP > system) to make and receive calls (Skype even supports incoming and outgoing > calls to/from a regular phone now)...Perhaps you don't have a broadband > connection ? > > > Does anyone know what hardware I should look for for this. I am assuming > > some kind of modem or modem card but these seem a bit of a minefield. Does > > the little link cable that runs from a PCI modem card to the sound card do > > everything I need or do I need to be able to copy data digitally? How can > > I tell which modem chipsets have enough support to be able to do what I > > want? > > No if you have the audio link through to the Modem then that should be > enough,I am not sure quite how the software thing will work, Presumably it > can all be done with a few AT commands to get the modem to dial but not try > and handshake in the same way that the old dialler app on Windows did. I have > not seen or heard of any application similar to the dialler app on Windows > that do what you want, and even if it did I fear that the audio quality will > be behind that of a decent desk phone unless you invest some money in a > decent headset. > > In my experience the mic in on modern soundcards is pretty useles, so you > would be looking towards a USB headset, but then you are going to have to > mess about with your mixer on the system to link the output of the headset to > the input of the modem cards audio device and vice versa. > > Also I think that maybe most of the software winmodem cards (that seem to be > pretty much the only sort you can buy these days) won't have the audio > passthrough facilities you will need. > > There are still some old school voice/fax/data serial modems on the market > that would do what you want, but naturally the software that comes with them > is Windows specific and if anybody else here remembers "Supervoice" often > quite nasty. > > Googling shows that some mad people have actually managed to get supervoice > running under wine....but I wouldn't suggest that as a serious solution. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > > End of main Digest >

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 30 May '05

30 May '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Use PC as a traditional phone
by Steve Fosdick 27 May '05

27 May '05

I'd like to use the PC as a phone, i.e. transmit sound from the mic-in on the soundcard to the phone line, have the sound received from the phone line available for mixing in the sound card's headphone out and be able to dial from software. All this, of course, under Linux. Does anyone know what hardware I should look for for this. I am assuming some kind of modem or modem card but these seem a bit of a minefield. Does the little link cable that runs from a PCI modem card to the sound card do everything I need or do I need to be able to copy data digitally? How can I tell which modem chipsets have enough support to be able to do what I want? TiA, Steve.

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BBQ on the 28th
by Martijn Koster 26 May '05

26 May '05

You're all invited to a BBQ in Wymondham on the 28th (Saturday after next), from 15:00 onwards. If you're planning on coming, please let me know by the 25th (Wednesday after next). Star attractions: we're hoping to see Bea, and it appears that iDunno may interrupt his UK'05 tour and make a brief appearance. For more details see http://www.greenhills.co.uk/mak/alug/20050528-bbq.html Can someone with privileges add a suitable link from http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings? -- Martijn

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Kit queries
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 26 May '05

26 May '05

Hi Folks, I'd be grateful for comments on possible solutions to the following things I'm thinking of looking for. 1. "Mini-laptop" I'm interested in something hand-held which is very easily carried from point to point, with a keyboard that is easy to use for entering textual information (there will be a lot of this, and accuracy is important). Needs to be connectable to "mainframe" box via ethernet (or USB at a pinch). A standard laptop is rather too cumbersome and awkward (needs to be stood on something and the fold-down screen would tend to flap around; also it would very much be on the heavy side for what I have in mind. I'm envisaging using this while standing, walking around, or even crouching.)[**1] Probably the "PDA" type of thing is too tiny for my spatulate fingertips, but that's the sort of size (or somewhat bigger) which I have in mind. And linux-capable of course! 2. Headless and handless (and legless -- just a tube up the bum) Here I'm interested in a simple small silent box with a full-scale computer inside it that doesn't need a screen or a keyboard, but will simply sit in a small corner of a shelf and be networked to others (either of a similar kind, or standard PC/laptop). And it should stay cool, preferably. Basically, somthing on the lines of "laptop with no screen or keyboard" gives the idea of what I have in mind. (Probably would need to be connectable to extrenal monitor and keyboard for initial installation purposes, but the intention is that this shold be a transitory situation. Must be linux-capable.) The idea here is that they would be "server" boxes (1 or 2 or even 3 of them), to which user access would be via a networked laptop or similar (e.g. the outcome of query #1). All coments and suggestions gratefully welcomed! Best wishes to all, Ted. [**1] No, I'm not setting up as a Traffic Warden/Parking Attendant/ Tesco Stocktaker. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 25-May-05 Time: 10:51:21 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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MS Hell
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 25 May '05

25 May '05

Folks, maybe you have been there before me. But I was browsing on www.gnu.org (as we all should from time to time) and felt curious about what GNU humour might be like. Here's one which I hadn't come across before. Bill Gates eventually arrives at the seat of judgement. St. Peter greets him, and explains that while he did contribute a lot of money to charities, he also ripped a lot of people off when they were forced to pay for his software if they wanted to buy a piece of hardware from a store. St. Peter says that under the circumstances, he will give Gates the choice of going to heaven or going to hell, and offers a tour. Gates accepts, and first St. Peter takes him to heaven. In heaven, Gates sees a very serene place, with people discussing philosophy and walking together through a wooded landscape. They then move on to hell. Gates sees a big beach party, with everyone fornicating, smoking cigarettes, eating gourmet food, and drinking. When Gates is asked, he chooses to go to hell, and is immediately plunged into a fiery furnace with the screams of tortured souls deafening him. "Hey, St. Pete, what's all this?" screams Gates. "Where's the beach party?". "Oh, I only showed you the demo version." St.Peter replies. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 25-May-05 Time: 20:43:37 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: [ALUG] Kit queries
by John Seago 25 May '05

25 May '05

On Wednesday 25 May 2005 12:31, "Adrian F. Clark" <alien(a)essex.ac.uk> wrote: > > Here I'm interested in a simple small silent box with a full-scale > > computer inside it that doesn't need a screen or a keyboard... > > ...you could also consider the Mac-mini which is linuxable... But wouldn't that need a keyboard? -- John Seago GNU/Linux User #219566 http://counter.li.org AFFS http://www.affs.org.uk/

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54mps wireless cards (PCMCIA and PCI)
by Martyn Drake 25 May '05

25 May '05

Can anybody recommend a good all rounder 54Mbs PCMCIA and/or PCI desktop card that works with Linux like a comfortable slipper and supports a good range on it? I've had enough of Netgear cr*p to last me a lifetime. M. -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk

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